[Architekt]

Been reading about this the last few days

Linux/FOSS in general was one of the last bastions of hope, where completely merit based input was considered, and any "personality flaws" (ie; being white/male and not being gay/trans/any other faggoty bs) had absolutely no bearing on whether the code you submitted was considered good or useful

But that's not good enough

It seems like the quality of your work has completely taken a backseat to muh diversity

It's like 1984 is the actual blueprint for our future

Why do these stains on our existence insist on inserting themselves into areas they have absolutely no interest in, let alone any business fucking with

Are they so insecure about their own existence that no one is allowed to have the opportunity to have a successful/fulfilling life or just generally exist without constant fear of the SJW machine destroying them/their life's work?

[hv123]

1984 wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual.

slackware forever.

[Max RNR]

(09-28-2018 07:03 AM)hv123 Wrote:  

1984 wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual.

slackware forever.

I used FIPS back in 1997 to split the hard-drive of my work Compaq laptop (back when I was running from bank to bank in downtown Chicago replacing IBM token ring installations with ether net cable and tcp/ip on NT4 workstations) so that I could install slackware 3.0. Man, those numerous 3 1/2 inch disks of the distro downloaded at 14.4 took like 2 nights :-)

I need to look back into slackware and see where they are at. I mostly use Fedora or Ubunto now... although for my maxim boxen back in the day was Mandrake with the K desktop. Is there a devoted linux thread around here? Might be nice for the player style sporto cool comp folk like me to get down into the dirt.

[chicane]

I'm really hoping the Linux guys burn the whole thing down. That's how toxic Stage Four feminism and SJWs are. Kill it with fire. And I've been using linux for 25 years now and I make my living as a Linux Systems Administrator.

[puckerman]

(09-25-2018 09:40 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

I'm going to have to read through this anti-meritocracy manifesto but it seems to defy basic logic. It's true that IT doesn't offer absolute meritocracy, but it's a heck of a lot closer than other industries, and it should be an ideal to strive for, not thrown out in favor of some sort of affirmative action quota system or whatever the hell they're proposing.

Do you work in information technology? I've been in this shit business for 20 fucking years, and I've never seen any sign of meritocracy. If it was a meritocracy, then certifications would actually be worth something in the job market. I know from experience that they are not.

Why is this so? It's largely because people in IT are people with slightly-above-average brains who think they are geniuses. You have people with IQ's of 110 or 115 who think their IQ's are 190 or 200. That is why they are so fucking annoying. I would much rather deal with a person who has an 80 IQ and knows that he has an 80 IQ. I can't deal with people who think they know everything--that's just about impossible.

It also explains why they are taking over tech companies and now destroying them. They are arrogant enough to think they can remake the world. A person who truly is smart would never be that arrogant because smart people know how complicated the world really is. It's no surprise at all that these jackasses are now censoring Alex Jones, Milo, Roosh, and many others. In their view, they don't need to hear differing opinions because they know everything.

This is why they hire people who look like them, talk like them, walk like them, and eat like them. This is why many of the tech partnerships are guys who knew who each other as children.

These techie dickfucks think that everyone else is a moron. This is why they will post jobs with 20 requirements and won't hire anyone who has 18 or 19 of those requirements. Of course, they never met anyone with those requirements. So, they just end up hiring a nephew or a brother-in-law. It's not a meritocracy. It's the rule of "it's not what you know, it's who you know."

My cousin Joe is a classic example. He's totally on the left. He can program all kinds of stuff. Yet, he can't even do stuff like change a tire. He's also been taken to the cleaners by two women in his life. In spite of all this, he's still a classic white knight and jumps on every lefty cause there is. Fortunately, he has no kids. He is exactly the kind of character who would support the censorship of Alex Jones.

If you are a young techie type, go into a real engineering job or something. Don't go into computers.

[puckerman]

(09-26-2018 02:10 AM)Tiger Man Wrote:  

I've been following this whole story with some interest. But, what about some of the other, usually verbal, tech gurus and nerds? Their silence on this is deafening. Unless, I am missing something, several big names haven't said a word on this.

Has anyone picked up anything by mathematical genius, political enemy of men, and noted crazy man Richard Stallman? He's the GNUru. He has a massive and ongoing fight with Linus.

Stallman is also a big fan of the Green Party. He has refused to have kids because of alleged concerns about overpopulation. Of course, it's also possible that he's never been laid.

[Tiger Man]

(09-28-2018 09:24 PM)puckerman Wrote:  

(09-26-2018 02:10 AM)Tiger Man Wrote:  

I've been following this whole story with some interest. But, what about some of the other, usually verbal, tech gurus and nerds? Their silence on this is deafening. Unless, I am missing something, several big names haven't said a word on this.

Has anyone picked up anything by mathematical genius, political enemy of men, and noted crazy man Richard Stallman? He's the GNUru. He has a massive and ongoing fight with Linus.

Stallman is also a big fan of the Green Party. He has refused to have kids because of alleged concerns about overpopulation. Of course, it's also possible that he's never been laid.

I actually read something Stallman wrote about a woman he had an ongoing relationship with who did not want to have sex until marriage. The chronology of the story led me to believe this was when Stallman was in his forties.

Then there are also gems (all over his website) like this:

Use the elegant gender-neutral pronouns "person", "per" and "pers". They fit into English smoothly. They are easy to remember, since they come from "person", and the last two resemble "her" and "hers". They are natural to use, since they work just like "she", "her" and "hers". "Pers" ends in a voiced consonant, just like "hers".

Stallman is a rather classic case of a guy who is legitimately a genius in one specific area, but is pretty much an Aspergian failure in all other areas of life.

The reason I am interested in his response is because he has made very serious contributions to the development of various Linux-adjacent projects. He was one of the first to bring about (now widespread) security concerns related to Ubuntu's switch to Unity. Also, some of the FOSS privacy projects are useful if you can get around their complete lack of user friendliness. I would assume that Stallman would use this opportunity to talk about some new, barely usable FOSS OS, but he has yet to do so.

[duedue]

For a moment I thought they had infiltrated LINUX.

[RawGod]

The SJWs and the left in general have been doing two things:

1. Winning, as they destroy all the soft and naive opposition
2. Creating a super-hardened breed of resistant survivor who ultimately lash back in unexpected ways

This is evolution. A marvel to watch.

[Max RNR]

@hv123: you sent me a pm on this topic but your pm's are turned off. Turn 'em on or let me know my reply with your pm here is cool.

Not like this is top secret info and opinions about the history and state of linux!

[budoslavic]

As a long time Linux user - since early 2000's - openSUSE, Debian - just been catching up on the latest Linux gossip regarding the CoC bullshit.
Vox Day's been following this and came out with a couple of insightful posts.

Code of Conduct, working as designed:

Quote:

Mark Kern@Grummz
I tweeted that Linux’s new code of conduct would be abused to witch hunt devs.

Right on cue, 3 or 5 devs tried to use my opposition of the code of conduct to try to accuse me of violating it.

All the while using behavior that was against the code of conduct.

I rest my case.

Mark Kern@Grummz
You can add one @ZDNet reporter to the list of witch hunters. Came after me just today.

Geoff@Geoffiam
I dunno man, I think having codes of conduct to allow mediocre programmers to police good programmers is precisely the way to move the industry into the direction of a giant bureaucracy. What could go wrong with that?

Corey @corey5135
I've been called out for "aggressive behavior" because I stated that I had already evaluated a suggested implementation & decided it was the wrong way to go (different project). They were putting me in my place for daring to disagree. Last patch they got from me.

Tucker Goodrich@TuckerGoodrich
Yeah, there's a lot Vox Day says that I don't like, but I think his analysis of codes of conduct is spot on.

"...the Code of Conduct is working as designed when it chases off the productive members of the project"

[url=]The most pyrrhic victory in history[/url]

Quote:

Coraline Ada Ehmke@CoralineAda
40,000 open source projects, including Linux, Rails, Golang, and everything OSS produced by Google, Microsoft, and Apple have adopted my code of conduct. You can make me have a bad day, but it doesn’t change the fact that we have won and you have lost.

Wanna bet? I just wish xir could convince Marvel and DC and IDW and Dark Horse to adopt xir's code of conduct too. The more completely an organization converges, the faster they will collapse.

This isn't a defeat for us, this is a vast horizon of opportunity being handed to us on a platter.

Killswitch the Linux Code of Conduct

Quote:

Don't wait to be ejected from the Linux Kernel Community, contributors. Throw the killswitch, rescind your license grants NOW, and force the SJWs who are trying to converge your project to permanently withdraw the cancerous Code of Conduct.

Date Thu, 20 Sep 2018 09:28:14 +0000
From unconditionedwitness@redchan ...
Subject Re: A Plea to Unfuck our Codes of Conduct

Regarding those who are ejected from the Linux Kernel Community after this CoC:

Contributors can, at any time, rescind the license grant regarding their property via written notice to those whom they are rescinding the grant from (regarding their property (code)) .

The GPL version 2 lacks a no-rescission clause (the GPL version 3 has such a clause: to attempt furnish defendants with an estoppel defense, the Linux Kernel is licensed under version 2, however, as are the past contributions).

When the defendants ignore the rescission and continue using the plaintiff's code, the plaintiff can sue under the copyright statute.

Banned contributors _should_ do this (note: plaintiff is to register their copyright prior to filing suit, the copyright does not have to be registered at the time of the violation however)

Additionally when said banned contributors joined the Linux team, they were under the impression that it was a meritocracy: in-fact this belief was stated or ratified by those within the governing body regarding Linux when the contributors began their work (whatever that body was at that time, it could have been simply Linus, or Linus and a few associates).

The remuneration for the work was implied to be, or perhaps stated, to be fame as-well as a potential increase in the contributors stature, in addition to membership in the Linux Kernel club or association, or whatever it is that the Linux Kernel Community actually is (which a court may determine... it is something, suffice to say).

Thusly for work, consideration was promised by (Linus? Others? There are years of mailing list archives with which to determine).

And now that consideration has been clawed-back and the contributors image has been tarnished.

Thus the worker did work, however the other side of the implied, or perhaps written (email memorandums), understanding has been violated (once the contributor has been banned under the new non-meritocratic "CoC").

Damages could be recovered under: breach of contract, quazi-contract, libel, false-light. (services rendered for the contractual claims, future lost income for the libel claims). In addition to copyright claims. (statutory damages, profits)

For greatest effect, all rescission should be done at once in a bloc. (With other banned contributors).

Contributors: You were promised something, you laboured for that promise, and now the promise has become a lie. You have remedies available to you now, as-well as in the close future .

Additionally, regarding those who promoted the Code of Conduct to be used against the linux kernel contributors, knowing full well the effect it would have and desiring those effects; recovery for the ejected contributors via a tortious interference claim may be possible.

Most of the legal babble is the usual ignorant nonsense, but the license rescinding threat is both real and significant. And in this case, because the Code of Conduct has already been imposed, all the non-SJW contributors would be advised to act now and force a complete retreat by those who are successfully attempting to converge the project. We know how this always turns out.

These losers did the same in the comic industry and the gaming industry and now they are trying it in the open source community.

Fortunately, some contributors are seriously considering withdrawing their code, although they need to simply go ahead and do it now. Dire threats and warnings never, ever work with these lunatics. They always - and usually correctly - assume that you're going to back down.

My company is already considering the full withdrawal of all contributed code to the kernel project and related embedded kernel projects. You literally can’t run embedded Linux on industrial controls or handheld scanners without this code.

Assuming the Code of Conduct can be removed, an anti-SJW inquisition would be the correct next step, followed by permanent exclusion and ideological policing. Because, as you have been openly warned, the Code of Conduct is an SJW weapon and it is only a prelude of ruthless enforcement and even worse things to come.

Coraline Ada Ehmke @CoralineAda
Sep 20
Adopting a code of conduct is STEP ONE and does nothing to address systemic issues. The hard work is in designing an enforcement process, answering some hard questions about accountability and safety, and following through.

Coraline Ada Ehmke@CoralineAda
Sep 20
Looking for community financial support. Having a CoC is a first step, but fair enforcement is what makes all the difference. I’m working on an open source SaaS app to make this easier.

Fortunately, some in the Linux community are clearly aware of the SJW threat to their open source projects, their technology, and their careers.

With the recent Social Justice capture of the Linux kernel, many in the open source world may find this guide from Vox Day to be useful. I present it here as a public service; you can find the original PDF here. If you are interested in how to resist the introduction of the Contributor Convenant and other Social Justice derived Codes of Conduct, you may wish to watch this presentation or see the slides for it.

Some readers will recall that I specifically warned about Cancer Coraline and xir Codes of Conduct in SJWs Always Double Down.

The two primary weapons utilized by corporate SJWs to marginalize opponents of convergence are the now-ubiquitous Code of Conduct and the Community Committee. While codes of conduct sound sensible enough in theory, in practice they are very vaguely worded documents that serve much the same purpose for the Community Committees responsible for enforcing them that petty traffic laws do for the police. Namely, they permit the Community Committee, which may be named the Steering Committee or even the Code of Conduct Committee, to charge anyone who is insufficiently enthusiastic about the organization’s new social justice priorities with Code of Conduct violations. Since both looking at another individual and not looking at another individual can be deemed violations of the vast majority of these codes of conduct, you can probably see how they can be weaponized in order to freeze, isolate, and eliminate opponents.

In practice, codes of conduct are also used to smoke out and identify opposition to the SJWs, as the initial skeptics who are the most able to understand the danger posed by a proposed code of conduct will usually tend to serve as the nexus of the resistance against it.

[hv123]

(10-18-2018 06:53 PM)Max RNR Wrote:  

@hv123: you sent me a pm on this topic but your pm's are turned off. Turn 'em on or let me know my reply with your pm here is cool.

Not like this is top secret info and opinions about the history and state of linux!

Hi
Sorry I didn't know it was off by default.

Yeah I think I was saying that systemD is shit. To be fair having recently tried linux mint i can see the benefits for a desktop in boot up time but for a server that isn't very important imho.
Some features of systemd seem cool, but it seems like things are going very redhat with linux

[hv123]

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-...gence.html

The linux kernel is at stage 5 now, btw.