[Moma]

I do agree that you lot are trumping up the rent prices in Toronto exorbitantly. Expecting to live affordably in the best condo at the city core is unrealistic. I found a steal where I was at then for about 8 hundred and change a month for a studio apartment right on the yonge line. A few miles west on Bathurst, I found a one bedroom for 700 and change a month. One of my spars who currently lives around near Wilson subway station, pays 7 hundred and change. Toronto is affordable, I just think the city has a lame energy to it

[RBerkley]

Rudebwoy,

when someone claims that researched stats are fake, and how they are paying 600$ a month rent for a room in DOWNTOWN Montreal which means that everyone in Montreal, even as far as Laval is paying such rates (it could be a tourist trap, gentrified area, or in-demand student housing area for Concordia University and McGill University non-resident students for all I know), while assuming that Jane-Finch is like downtown Toronto, it's comparing apples to oranges.

Speaking about oranges, Jane-Finch is situated comparable to the STM metro stop Cartier or even as far as Montmorency on the Orange Line.

People are always gonna pay premium on downtown locations no matter what, but what isn't legit is claiming that everyone in Montreal lives in the Green Line area and pay student housing prices for rent. I provided averages and estimates which reflect the cost of rent in Toronto per distance, even if the gentrified areas skew the calculations, I doubt that 600$ a month can pay for anything reasonable in terms of rent in Toronto unless it's far away from the Yonge Line and near a crime ridden place. The average Montrealer I know personally, isn't able to afford more than 550$ a month in Rent.

Nuff talk.

[WeekendCasanova]

(09-19-2016 12:40 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

Rudebwoy,

when someone claims that researched stats are fake, and how they are paying 600$ a month rent for a room in DOWNTOWN Montreal which means that everyone in Montreal, even as far as Laval is paying such rates (it could be a tourist trap, gentrified area, or in-demand student housing area for Concordia University and McGill University non-resident students for all I know), while assuming that Jane-Finch is like downtown Toronto, it's comparing apples to oranges.

Speaking about oranges, Jane-Finch is situated comparable to the STM metro stop Cartier or even as far as Montmorency on the Orange Line.

People are always gonna pay premium on downtown locations no matter what, but what isn't legit is claiming that everyone in Montreal lives in the Green Line area and pay student housing prices for rent. I provided averages and estimates which reflect the cost of rent in Toronto per distance, even if the gentrified areas skew the calculations, I doubt that 600$ a month can pay for anything reasonable in terms of rent in Toronto unless it's far away from the Yonge Line and near a crime ridden place. The average Montrealer I know personally, isn't able to afford more than 550$ a month in Rent.

Nuff talk.

Just stop.

[RBerkley]

Moma, I was just checking through the recent listings (which I admit may be skwewed, but I tried my best to exclude data from luxury condos and penthouses which are for the uber-wealthy), and I found the prices which do appear inflated, but that's Toronto rental market. There are Beta-Buck$$$ manginas who are offering over 100,000$+ above asking for an old 70-year-old cottage looking house in a suburb of Toronto..Housing market gone cray that price increases are a regular thing.

Wilson subway station (around 10 km away from downtown core) is around that infamous West end Toronto Jane-Finch, but it's near Yorkville, so paying around 730$-750$ a month for a 1-bedroom is quite cheap for rent.

Contrary, when someone is comparing downtown Montreal prices (600$ a month for a room) to a suburb in Toronto is ridiculous from a newbie, which was why I elaborated more on renting Toronto vs Montreal by sharing extracts of an article from a popular Toronto magazine.

600$ a month is still considered cheap for rent in Toronto in any case. I recently researched that Student rooms at Jane-Steeles area (York University) go from 500$ a month (some men landlords only want female tenants in their rooms (from 450$ a month, probably have to give up something more to the male landlord), but that area is far, far, away from downtown core.

[RBerkley]

(09-19-2016 12:45 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

Just stop.

Show me a listing where anyone can find rent for a 1-bedroom for under 600$ in Toronto (from Dufferin to Broadview on the Green Line, and from Union to Eglinton on the Yellow Line).
Telling someone to stop posting brings out that suspicion of something ya know? There are also know-it-alls who hate Montreal so much and claim fake stuff about Toronto when they haven't even stepped foot in Toronto, or even cared to check any listings and post it on here on this thread.

I can't find any listing in Toronto where rent goes for under 600$ a month unless it's informal student housing at York University or as far as Neilson in Scarborough. Many of the "landlords" for student housing offer 450$ a month starting, but they only want female tenants of certain age and background (strange rental market).

Telling me to stop posting is evident of attempted censorship. If you disagree with what I say, prove it or do it on a respectful way instead of using questionable tactics.

[rudebwoy]

Berkeley-just stop!

[RBerkley]

Okay, proof of my claims about rent prices in Toronto for those who want to live in Toronto:
New Wilson rental unit 1-bedroom (1395$ per month)
https://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/apa/5789057707.html

Somewhere in downtown Toronto room for rent (Ranges from 595$ to 645$ per month)
https://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/apa/5782823496.html

Student housing around 600$ rent at a faraway place in Toronto (Keele & Steeles)
https://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/apa/5753125503.html

The links posted before, show that renting in Toronto will require more money than when renting in Montreal, and that anything below 500$ a month is very difficult to find anywhere from Kipling to Rogue Hill (West-East TTC points) unless you are looking to rent beyond the City Boundaries of Toronto.
Who wants to live over 30km away from the downtown core in Toronto just to pay on average 550$ a month for a room or bachelor apartment if they plan to game in the clubs in downtown Toronto for some action?

[Rekk'd]

Yo RBerkley do they pay you to do this or what. You type too much dude, give it a rest. MTL and Toronto both suck dick, If I could turn back time I would have never come to this country in the first place.

[RBerkley]

Rudebwoy, I now done posting what I gotta post about rent prices in Toronto vs Montreal, but some people keep on replying to my posts in a trolling way with low-value two word posts.

It is apparent that there are some people who feel very offended that the OP didn't want to move to Toronto for economical reasons.

I'm glad the OP made his decision, but I wanted to set the record straight that people who never stepped foot in Toronto to compare prices in downtown Montreal to a suburb in Toronto should not hype up false information about Toronto when they haven't even stepped foot there.

Nothing wrong with providing more information to clarify things though. The OP would appreciate the more information rather than disinformation and propaganda material.

[WeekendCasanova]

RBerkley,

There's no need for you myself, nor others to continue.

Your endless complaining on this thread is palpable. Everyone is trying to oppress, and censor you - we get it.

You don't live in Toronto. You trumpet inflated prices - which are fallacious, and change your story now. If you want a suave pad downtown, it will cost you a hefty amount. I'm not denying this. But I personally know people paying $750, for bachelor pads in Toronto (Yonge/Eg), Lib Village, The Annex.

Yorkdale is a richy rich area. Why are you using that as an example? Ever been to the Yorkdale mall? Clearly not.

[RBerkley]

(09-19-2016 01:27 PM)Rekkd Wrote:  

Yo RBerkley do they pay you to do this or what. You type too much dude, give it a rest. MTL and Toronto both suck dick, If I could turn back time I would have never come to this country in the first place.

The Canadian government only pays pro-Canadian government, pro-Toronto people to troll forums and bully people.

I only posted evidence of my claims because I don't want to spread disinformation, unlike some people.

What we can agree on is that if I haven't went to Canada to study in a crappy "world class" university in downtown Toronto, I'd be better off too, but the point is that there is so much pro-immigrate to Canada propaganda that when someone criticizes Canadian government, the online trolls and threats of legal lawsuits come around the place.

[WeekendCasanova]

(09-19-2016 01:30 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

Rudebwoy, I now done posting what I gotta post about rent prices in Toronto vs Montreal, but some people keep on replying to my posts in a trolling way with low-value two word posts.

It is apparent that there are some people who feel very offended that the OP didn't want to move to Toronto for economical reasons.

I'm glad the OP made his decision, but I wanted to set the record straight that people who never stepped foot in Toronto to compare prices in downtown Montreal to a suburb in Toronto should not hype up false information about Toronto when they haven't even stepped foot there.

Nothing wrong with providing more information to clarify things though. The OP would appreciate the more information rather than disinformation and propaganda material.

I, and others have said numerous times in this thread - we hate Toronto. Your rent statistics are way off base, likely fueled by your pure rage for the city. You spent a little bit of time here, didn't get laid, and are bashing Toronto with nonsensical numbers and cherry picked select listings.

I'm not going to pretend Toronto is a world class city - but lying about rent prices is disingenuous. It's a crap city. Just be honest.

[RBerkley]

^ Weekend Casanova,

about Yorkdale,

I gamed a white 18-21 age pro who "works" around the Yorkdale area....I told ya before I didn't get that much luck on campus unless I had money in the bank for exquisite dates, and I had to game pros who work in what you say, and it's true based on household income demographics, an expensive upscale part of Toronto (Yorkville).

Not disclosing any more details about my gaming pros & how some chicks wanted me to be dem "Manager" as it might scare off Roosh if the thread becomes borderline p4p.

[WeekendCasanova]

(09-19-2016 01:42 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

^ Weekend Casanova,

about Yorkdale,

I gamed a white 18-21 age pro who "works" around the Yorkdale area....I told ya before I didn't get that much luck on campus unless I had money in the bank for exquisite dates, and I had to game pros who work in what you say, and it's true based on household income demographics, an expensive upscale part of Toronto (Yorkville).

Not disclosing any more details about my gaming pros & how some chicks wanted me to be dem "Manager" as it might scare off Roosh if the thread becomes borderline p4p.

Yorkville is expensive as well, yes. But it's also very close to the downtown core.

Edit: I have no clue how you didn't have results on campus. Most girls on campus are fine with pub-dates, coffee, movies, walks by the waterfront, or skating at NP Square...Even top tier girls don't expect high end wine and dining.

[RBerkley]

Weekend Casanova, and it appears that you're lying about my character, which in some civil penal codes is defamation of character.

I posted how I gamed pros in Toronto, but because Roosh didn't want anything regarding p4p, even the word "p4p" on his forum, I'm not gonna elaborate.

I'm not bitter as you described. I only posted rent prices based on research from Craigslist listings, which I posted some links to back up my claims. If my listings were cherrypicked, I would have posted listings of luxury condo rentals and overpriced university Residence student housing.

Rudebwoy even mentioned before in a previous post that renting anything under 1,000$ a month in Toronto isn't feasible for the Bachelor lifestyle which is the benchmark.

I see nothing wrong in explaining more of my points of view regarding cost of living Toronto vs Montreal. It is relevant to the OP question. At least better than a newbie implying that downtown Montreal prices should be compared to a suburb in Toronto way further than Cartier Metro station in comparison to distance. No disinformation.

I gotta sign out for now. Lunch time is getting late.

[scotian]

(09-19-2016 01:51 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

Weekend Casanova, and it appears that you're lying about my character, which in some civil penal codes is defamation of character.

I posted how I gamed pros in Toronto, but because Roosh didn't want anything regarding p4p, even the word "p4p" on his forum, I'm not gonna elaborate.

I'm not bitter as you described. I only posted rent prices based on research from Craigslist listings, which I posted some links to back up my claims. If my listings were cherrypicked, I would have posted listings of luxury condo rentals and overpriced university Residence student housing.

Rudebwoy even mentioned before in a previous post that renting anything under 1,000$ a month in Toronto isn't feasible for the Bachelor lifestyle which is the benchmark.

I see nothing wrong in explaining more of my points of view regarding cost of living Toronto vs Montreal. It is relevant to the OP question. At least better than a newbie implying that downtown Montreal prices should be compared to a suburb in Toronto way further than Cartier Metro station in comparison to distance. No disinformation.

I gotta sign out for now. Lunch time is getting late.

If you banged strippers or escorts for free then yes you can write about it on here, its called shoring, E-mech has an entire thread about him banging strippers at clubs in Florida.

[rudebwoy]

Berkeley - we get it!

Toronto ain't your favourite place.

[WeekendCasanova]

(09-19-2016 01:51 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

Weekend Casanova, and it appears that you're lying about my character, which in some civil penal codes is defamation of character.

This is childish.

But since you insist, you need to brush up on your knowledge of the law. No lawyer would ever touch this 'case'. You need more than the 'act' to win a defamation lawsuit.

Heck, a few of my coworkers have been accused of libel/slander. Nothing becomes of it. Unless you're a white girl accusing a man.

"He called me bitter. It damaged my reputation." Wont work.

Quote:

I posted how I gamed pros in Toronto, but because Roosh didn't want anything regarding p4p, even the word "p4p" on his forum, I'm not gonna elaborate.

As Scotian said, please elaborate. You've said that you didn't pay, if I recall - so there's nothing wrong with it.

Quote:

I'm not bitter as you described. I only posted rent prices based on research from Craigslist listings, which I posted some links to back up my claims. If my listings were cherrypicked, I would have posted listings of luxury condo rentals and overpriced university Residence student housing.

Herein lies the problem.

You can search on craigslist all you want, or even Kijiji. Local Toronto rental boards are the best place to look, and again, the only reason that rents are high is because demand is outpacing supply.

Even with this being the case, as I've said above, you can find a bachelor apartment at Yonge/Eg, for around $750. Liberty village has reasonably priced places considering that it's so close to the downtown core. You just need to look.

Quote:

Rudebwoy even mentioned before in a previous post that renting anything under 1,000$ a month in Toronto isn't feasible for the Bachelor lifestyle which is the benchmark.

Then earn more money...Again, you're missing my point. I never said Toronto is a superior city - but you've inflated rents. You can rent a bachelor for <$1,000 in Toronto, contrary to what you've said above.

If you're earning under $30,000 a year, and are trying to live the bachelor lifestyle, I have news for you - focus on your bank account, or move to a second-tier city.

Circling back to my point. I have no quarrel with you and Toronto being a shit city - it is. But don't inflate prices to prove your point. You're not in Toronto. I wouldn't presume to know the local prices in your market, without actually being there now, or calling a local agent and asking. Kijiji/Craigslist inflate everything, but even a cursory glance shows that you can find reasonable prices below what you proclaimed.

Either way, I'm done with this discussion. The OP has made his decision.

[RBerkley]

"Shoring"?

To be frank, most of my complementary lays in Toronto were from Shoring. When guys I know in Toronto are spending hunnas for bottle service just to attract some chicks who are most likely bi-sexual or man-hating lesbians, I gamed pros.

I never felt afraid or intimidated to game any chick I know who strips or does escort business in her spare time.

On the contrary I almost got sent to a psychiatric hospital against my will, just for telling a campus chick "Hey girl, wassup?" on campus, in which she frothed up people to bully me and I spoke my mind, and later then I'm warned that I can be committed to a mental institution because the campus staff feared that I would harm people on campus just for ranting about unfair treatment and bullying by feminist mobs.

Since the Roosh V outrage, Montreal is also affected with the Anglo-feminist snobbery, but I'd choose Quebec over Toronto any day. Anti-fascist anarchists aren't gonna mess with a dark man as compared to Toronto where a dark man is only accepted if he is a fruity fag who supports feminism.

I found out that my Jamaican-Caribbean accent was not received well by the Toronto inhabitants, some women thought I was sexually aggressive in the way I talked. In Montreal, maybe because there are Haitians, my accent wasn't that problematic.

Toronto is only good for feminists, gays, lesbians and beta males to live. Montreal is good for the bachelors and PUA. Even the gays in Montreal have more masculinity than the beta males in Toronto, and even the topless Quebec FEMEN Sluts didn't form angry mobs against Roosh.

End of story.

[RBerkley]

Weekend Casanova,

Those rent prices are what outsiders would reflect upon when considering to rent in Toronto.

I know that the middle class job market in Toronto is one of nepotism, cronyism and favouritism, in a larger extent than evident in Communist China political elites, but I didn't know that to find good rent in Toronto, one would have to seek the undiscovered market just like seeking a good job in the Toronto job market.

I wonder how OP is doing in Montreal. He didn't been on this thread for a while. The mods should close the thread as it already served its purpose

[Mayweather]

(09-15-2016 01:19 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

I won't get too into it because it's been answered 1000 times on this forum, but just note that feminism in Toronto isn't even remotely as bad as what people make it out to be. It's sensationalism at its finest.

I've encountered maybe one hard core feminist in Toronto - and this was going out hardcore in my younger years (was into that RSD crap). In all likelihood you'll never, or at least rarely encounter one. Don't even factor feminists into your calculation of which city to visit.

There are more opportunities in Toronto, but it's also more expensive. Transit can be effective on a good day, but 90% of the time it's a hunk of crap, and there are too many hobos for my liking. I spend a lot of time in Muskoka during the summer, so I personally would factor that in..If I needed time away from the city, rent a cabin in Muskoka, head up to the cottage...

I've only spent a couple of weeks at a time in Montreal, but I don't really like French people (even though I'm fluent in it), so for that reason alone I'd pick Toronto...

Don't get me wrong, I hate Toronto. But out of those two, it's Toronto.

Very true. While the city may not be the best in terms of infrastructure, culture, cost of living, the housing market and etc. many people take internet rumours and run with it. There aren't feminazis standing on every corner with strap ons hunting CIS-Het dudes. That's a boost. Just watch out for Church Street in July, if you move here. Locals know what i mean.....

[darlten]

(09-16-2016 06:14 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(09-16-2016 04:43 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

(09-16-2016 10:27 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Buffalo and Cleveland are shitholes.

A few French phrases in Montreal should do you fine and a willingness to learn the language, which has been mentioned countless times.

Canada is a cold country, winter sucks here period.

I can't imagine too many people paying over $1500 to rent places in Montreal. I'm pretty sure you can find rent for half that amount outside the city centre.

Anything place under $1000 will not be a nice place to live in Toronto.

Montreal also seems way easier to navigate without a car.

I would strongly listen to the vets that are suggesting Montreal.

You can easily rent a basement in downtown Montreal not far from the UQAM area for around 500$ a month.

Go more east around 4 miles from Bonadventure metro station, and there were a few townhouses for rent. One was a 4-bedroom townhouse leasing for around 800$ a month.

I've heard that a basement apartment in the Toronto West end, around 10 miles away from the downtown core of Toronto goes for around 900$ a month, and subsidized housing waitlists go for at least seven years to twelve years minimum.

Many people, the newbies inclusive, argue that Toronto earns higher wages, but the truth is that not many people are fortunate enough to land that public sector, medical or CEO job...

Some friends I know who reside in Toronto work for minimum wage at fast food outlets, and they still end up on welfare because the rent eats up their monthly pay.

One of my friends share a floor of a house (rents a room for himself) for around 700$ a month, but he works at maximum 35 hours a week and earns approximately 300$ a week after deductions, but after taking out rent, he is left with approximately 500$ left, and if you deduct TTC metropass he uses to go to work, he only has around 300$ left for food and other expenses.

On the other hand, 1,200$ a month would make one live quite comfortably in Montreal. Rent for an apartment for one person is around 400$ a month if you can find the right locations in Montreal, and it isn't a crime-ridden place like paying almost 900$ a month rent for a 1-bedroom near Jane-Finch in Toronto.

Finally a great post by you.

Those prices are unheard of in Toronto.

I met a girl from Montreal awhile back, she lived in a house in Laval with a swimming pool by herself. The rent was like $400 per month.

$800 per month for a townhouse sounds like paradise to me, if you own it you can rent out the other rooms for cheap. If you are leasing it you can sub lease it out as well.

The real ugly truth about Toronto is the job market, it sucks balls. As you rightly said a lot of people are not making money and are living close to the poverty line.

The math does not add up, the average salary is $45000. Can't exactly do much with that now. I also read that personal debt, not including mortgages or rent is like $20000 per person.

Wait how is that possible house with swimming pool and only $400 a month? I would prefer to live in a house over a condo/apartment and I think Montreal has much better options for that at a more reasonable rate. Also I like my space but houses in Montreal seem to be so close together is there not that many areas that kind of are more secluded or kinda private?