[NoWayJose]

There´s universal sayin: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder", which is partly true. However, there´s a deep substance in your eyes that share a common belief how a ugly and pretty faces may look like. Regardless taste and preference, we all can spot a hottie or a nottie..

All races within countries got girls with pretty face and butterface. But some countries exceeds one or the other. And here´s my list.

Top 10:

10. Sweden
I know, having this particular country on the list which is famous for tall blondes may be surprisingly enough for everyone. But reality is far from it´s truth. Many many many Swedish, way too many Swedish girls are utterly plain and average, many Swedish girls resembles too much of british girls, which is not a positive thing.

9. Denmark
Same thing as Sweden. When I was Denmark, Copenhagen more precisely. I just couldn´t spot a true hot danish girl, and most of em were just like average as Swedish girls. And to be fair, the hot ones were danish girls with immigrant parents.

8. France
France, la belle vie. Yes a beautiful country indeed. However, can´t say the same thing about their women. I understand why so many french women take pride in their "natural" beauty. Cause being ugly is part of their natural beauty, and the way to compensate it is by saying "I believe in natural beauty". Way to go Frenchie.

7. The Balkan countries.
Sure, you can witness live some beautiful girls walking down the streets(Like any other country on this planet). But too many of them are either very plain or average and use alot of makeup to hide their hideous kinky faces.. Many balkan girls can´t even reach to potential of eastern average slavic girls(FSU).

There´s a very huge gap between eastern slavic and southern slavic.

6. Hungary, Budapest

This country was probably the most suprising of them all. I honestly tought that average hungarian girls could reach up to the same nod as average Ukrainian and Russian girls. But not even in a mile stone. In a whole day, walking alongside the river of danube and Budapest, I only saw 4 or 5 hot girls, the rest of them were average and ugly. And the reason why? Hungarians are probably the most diversed people in Europe in various of ethnicity. And they usually got the worst of everything, which is totally contrary for Ukrainan girls/Russian/Belarousian..

5. Spain Portugal and Italy
Now, don´t get it twisted guys. Just like balkan countries. European Latin countries may produce some hot girls. But just some. Usually, many of them pales in comparison with Eastern European girls. That´s why so many Italians travels to FSU countries for the same reason. Very very few Italian girls are hot. And in the northern part, 70% of Italians got the same look as german people..

4. Germany and Great Britian.
As you have noticed. I´m not a huge fan of countries with germanic ancestry. The typical german and british face isn´t appealing at all - a face that is rotund with heavy bone structure looks very plain and not feminine at all. Probably the least feminine and petite faces of them all.

3. USA
Why? The problem with Americans. You guys are too much of everything, waay too much.

British-German-Irish-mixture= the bulk of the US population. Imagine in front of you a color of palette, now imagine you got an empty cup. What happens if you mix all colors? You get the color beige, the most ugly of them all. Yet luckely you may find some strong paint drips on a white paper.


2. Brazil
My freaking God., I have never seen so many ugly butterface in my whole life as I did in Brazil. Yes, you may find a stunner, but after that - 1000 ugly girls will follow just after. And even on copacabana, you may find a girl a with a hot body. But her face? Tssss, please give me a break. The only time when you´ll witness a constant flow of average hot girls is when the festival is on. But on a main time? Brazilian faces are probably the ugliest of the bunch.

1. The Rest of the World(Except Ukraine and Russia).
The thing is. The world on average is ugly. Except for Ukraine and Russia, why? Probably their race and ethnicity. It´s just impossible to give birth to an Ukrainan baby.

Slavic + Scandinavian+ Turkish+ Mongolian mixture produces very fresh looking faces. And almost 90% of all Ukrainan girls got beautiful pretty faces.

That´s it.

[Roosh]

Poland has a considerable butterface problem. I'd put them at number 5 or 6 on your list. The bodies are amazing, though, if you like thin girls. It's rare for a girl to have both a face and body problem.

[NoWayJose]

Well. To tell you the truth, Poland was the first country that popped into my mind when I saw the word "butterface". But I didn´t put that on my list cause I was afraid that some particulary chairman would´ve been pissed.

Hehe.

[chochemonger1]

Interesting and helpful post but a little too general (very little nuance). I think Dash once posted about Korean girls with a looks ratio of the women on the ground. Something like out of 10 girls: 4(butterface):4(average):2(hot). I find this more useful. So just to give you an idea of how that would help me compare 2 cities or countries.

IMO:
Joao Pessoa, Brazil
3(butterface):3(average):3(cute):1(beautiful) 3:3:3:1

Belo Horizonte, Brazil 2:2:4:2

Brasilia 4:3:3:1

Rio 2:4:3:1

[Roosh]

I have no blind loyalties to any country, and I welcome opinions that differ from my own. Guys should be able to read lots of opinions to make up their own mind, not just from me.

[Mighty Mouse]

I'll only comment on the countries I've been to recently:

Spot on concerning Hungary. Most women there are not just average, but significantly below-average (by Western standards). The most overrated country on this forum.

The fat countries (USA, Germany, Britain): The problem isn't the facial bone structure in these lands. It's simply fatness. If the American, German, and British women would lose weight, many would be at least 6s or 7s.

Poland: When I was there I thought to myself that Polish women are thinner and more stylish than Western Europeans - but their faces are certainly not more beautiful (on average).

One can find butterfaces everywhere in the world. Even in Latvia I've seen a certain number of them.

[NoWayJose]

Roosh///

Interesting how poles are the most slavic of them all. 51%, 5% more than Ukrainans and 4 more than Russian. That´s the main problem. Polish, just like Hungarians and Czech are too mixed with Germans. And you can easily notice that by looking at their facial structure.. While Ukrainans and Russians got a small percentage of Turkish influence + Scadinavian which gives them the perfect tone. Very exotic and very fresh and beautiful looking, out of this world.

While the balkan states got too much of turkish influence and very little slavic. Like Croatia is only 20-25% slavic and the rest is the same as Hungarians.

[NoWayJose]

(10-02-2011 11:02 AM)Mighty Mouse Wrote:  

I'll only comment on the countries I've been to recently:

Spot on concerning Hungary. Most women there are not just average, but significantly below-average (by Western standards). The most overrated country on this forum.

The fat countries (USA, Germany, Britain): The problem isn't the facial bone structure in these lands. It's simply fatness. If the American, German, and British women would lose weight, many would be at least 6s or 7s.

With all due respect Mickey. It´s just not obesity, it is the facial structure too. Even many thin English or American girls just can´t reach up to countries from FSU(Belarus, Russia and Ukraine).

[Luckystar]

(10-02-2011 08:59 AM)NoWayJose Wrote:  

1. The Rest of the World(Except Ukraine and Russia).
The thing is. The world on average is ugly. Except for Ukraine and Russia, why? Probably their race and ethnicity. It´s just impossible to give birth to an Ukrainan baby.

Slavic + Scandinavian+ Turkish+ Mongolian mixture produces very fresh looking faces. And almost 90% of all Ukrainan girls got beautiful pretty faces.

That´s it.

All this energy and effort for the same redundant comments. We get it, dude. You really think Ukrainian girls are the shit....maybe you have something more to contribute, troll.

[rudebwoy]

I am with Luckystar, yes some of those countries have butterfaces but there are also gems to be found.

Just out of curiousity, have you actually been to all these countries.?

[young_money]

(10-02-2011 10:36 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Guys should be able to read lots of opinions to make up their own mind, not just from me.

True. Personally, I like the idea of a thread like this, IF we get multiple on-the-ground or first hand opinions about multiple countries. Even though trip reports are great, the data tends to conflict based on differing tastes and ethnicity/style/skill level of the traveler. For face guys like myself, I really like chochemonger1's approach.

@Jose -
Lets' hear your top 10 for least butterfaces.

[NoWayJose]

(10-02-2011 12:42 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I am with Luckystar, yes some of those countries have butterfaces but there are also gems to be found.

Just out of curiousity, have you actually been to all these countries.?

Ehm, yes. Pretty much. I´m freelancer, and my job - is to travel.

[NoWayJose]

(10-02-2011 10:35 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Interesting and helpful post but a little too general (very little nuance). I think Dash once posted about Korean girls with a looks ratio of the women on the ground. Something like out of 10 girls: 4(butterface):4(average):2(hot). I find this more useful. So just to give you an idea of how that would help me compare 2 cities or countries.

IMO:
Joao Pessoa, Brazil
3(butterface):3(average):3(cute):1(beautiful) 3:3:3:1

Dosen´t that apply to the whole world? Most of it? In my books, a girl that is beautiful, is beautiful - classical beauty.. And out of 1000 girls in brazil, you won´t find that many beautiful girls, very few, top 10.

[Nonpareil]

I've always found it odd that British girls tend to be plain, but I've met a ton of hot girls of Welsh ancestry.

[rudebwoy]

Topics like these are a waste of time b/c there is always some alterior motive. Some of the countries listed I would vaguely agree with but some are just silly and flat out wrong. Every country has hot girls and ugly girls, some countries more than others.
Brazil tends to be on the list of butterfaces but there are alot of posts on here about the place, so it would seem alot of dudes from different backgrounds have a fondness for it. I have never been but it has always been on my list of places to go.

Personally, I like countries whereby girls are DTF and pass my penis test. Now that does not mean I like ugly girls.

[chochemonger1]

Personally, I like countries whereby girls are DTF and pass my penis test. Now that does not mean I like ugly girls.
[/quote]

Joao Pessoa, Brazil
3(butterface):3(average):3(cute):1(beautiful) 3:3:3:1

Belo Horizonte, Brazil 2:2:4:2

Brasilia 4:3:3:1

Rio 2:4:3:1

With this info your good to go.......only that in Belo Horizonte they are not DTF that easily. In the other cities for sure if you know portuguese or if not ...if you are a blond haired or blue eyed gringo.

[Marco]

It is all a matter of taste, but if you prefer white, thin, feminine women with cute baby faces then Slavic nations are the places to be, this is before the fact that you dont need to be handsome alpha male to get top class girls like the west. So I myself surely favors Russian and Ukrainian look, I can recognize them in US clubs before hearing them and know they are Slavic just by the look.
Luckystar I read in the meetup forum that you "have a blast" in Kharkov, Ukraine so I guess after all you also enjoyed it much.

[NoWayJose]

(10-02-2011 05:19 PM)Marco Wrote:  

It is all a matter of taste, but if you prefer white, thin, feminine women with cute baby faces then Slavic nations are the places to be, this is before the fact that you dont need to be handsome alpha male to get top class girls like the west. So I myself surely favors Russian and Ukrainian look, I can recognize them in US clubs before hearing them and know they are Slavic just by the look.
Luckystar I read in the meetup forum that you "have a blast" in Kharkov, Ukraine so I guess after all you also enjoyed it much.

It´s not really mather of taste if you think about it, it´s objective thought. Humans has always been attracted to symetrical tenderence, which is only possesed by countries from FSU.

And to be honest, it´s not necessary slavic if you think about it. I mean there´s a huge distinction between East West and South Slavic. West looks very much like classical bavarian looks(more Germanic) while south Slavic more turkish, and east slavic(FSU), that´s where they keep the best gems.

[Roosh]

NoWayJose: Your IP address has two other accounts associated with it, Dada and Dadaland. Care to explain why you're trolling the forum?

[NoWayJose]

No, I´m not trollin. I´m a just a curious observer.

However, is the russian/ukrainan part of Moldova the only place in Europe where you can find least butterfaces?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDn2eoxwa...re=related

This is how average High school class looks like in Moldova. Why oh why is God soo cruel?

[afronoob]

(10-03-2011 03:29 AM)NoWayJose Wrote:  

No, I´m not trollin. I´m a just a curious observer.

However, is the russian/ukrainan part of Moldova the only place in Europe where you can find least butterfaces?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDn2eoxwa...re=related

This is how average High school class looks like in Moldova. Why oh why is God soo cruel?

You're definitely onto smth. HOA women have a very low butterface quotient with average being around half the number of hotties. This is my observation in Nairobi.
BAHBe
1,2,3,2
That applies to Ethios,Eritreans and Somalis. The theory is deserts,mountains and wars kept them all isolated so they they bred among themselves continually upgrading their hotness.
I've had buddies in Addis literally search the streets for a butterface and fail to find even one?!!

[Luckystar]

(10-02-2011 08:35 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

NoWayJose: Your IP address has two other accounts associated with it, Dada and Dadaland. Care to explain why you're trolling the forum?

Troll confirmed.

[mycleverid]

(10-03-2011 03:29 AM)NoWayJose Wrote:  

I´m a just a curious observer.

Um, I hope Jose was a non-native speaker. "Posting" is not the same as "observing".

[raskol]

I suspect most guys on here who rave about Brazil focus more on a woman's body than her face. There's a study out by the psychologist David Buss that showed men tend to focus more on a woman's body when looking for a fling and the face when looking for long-term relationships. Given the nature of this board, most guys here are looking for one night stands. Hence, the popularity of countries like Brazil or Columbia.

[Orson]

"Butterface" definitions, people!

Start here if you want to perform any competent analysis.

"A woman that has a body in great condition, but whose physical attractiveness is lessened by her facial features."
SOURCE en.wiktionary.org/wiki/butterface

This seems to support the usage here (ie above). But wait, there is another definition offered in my google search:

What is a "butter face"? - Yahoo! Answers
12 answers - Aug 17, 2007
Top answer: a face so nice you want to eat it up even though it will make you fat and give you heart attacks.

The first is a put down or aesthetic criticism, the second is praiseworthy.
BUT WHICH IS IT, REALLY?

The slang appears to be a phonetic portmaneau:

"Chick with a hell of a nice body, but the face is ugly.
She looked real good... but her face (butterface)" [ie, "BUT, look at her FACE!"]
Source(s):
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph…

The non-slang term assumes the opposite valence.

Does anyone else see how easy it is to talk past each other without useful and relevant details to know which usage is correct?