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I've gone backwards
#1

I've gone backwards

3 years ago I split with my ex who went to a kanye concert with her ex. I was shattered at the time but ended it. I was very much in love with this girl and would cave and send her messages, say once a year for 3 years asking her if she wanted to meet up, which she didn't. I've barely had success with women during these 3 years because I became obsessed with self-improvement. I finished my Masters but never wanted to do that career and now am pursuing a law degree. I exercise regularly, I don't smoke or drink (I did while with her) and I did everything on my own without anyone's support other than my close friends. Unfortunately, I didn't put as much effort into picking up because my relationship really destroyed me emotionally so I became obsessed with getting important stuff done in my life, albeit at great cost. I made a huge mistake by meeting up with that same Ex a few days ago and that rocked me really badly. I told her how I've improved, don't drink or smoke, very strict with my discipline, train hard, help my parents with money, but I still don't have anything yet cause I haven't finished my law degree. During this time, she has been with a guy for 3 years who she ended it with who is an "alcoholic inconsiderate gambler who owes me a lot of money". When I asked her about my breakup with her she said she was "indifferent". From what I learned on this forum, I'm guessing this guy is another alpha who she's trying to rescue. What burned me the most was I did all these hard things, especially hurting myself in the gym, thinking there was something wrong with me the whole time, only to find out she ended up with a guy like this. I lost all my confidence during this time thinking I was the one who wasn't good enough. What hurts me the most guys is that I became the best version of myself and I know I can improve even more, to learn that the first girl who really hurt me could move on so fast to someone much worse. I lost all my confidence thinking I wasn't good enough. Can I please get some advice on how to get over this hurdle, because now I'm ready, although it took me forever, to move on. Best, Joker

I do my best work when people don't believe in me - Michael Scott
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#2

I've gone backwards

You left her. Leave it and her alone. Stop obsessing about a past relationship.
Let the past die and never look back.
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#3

I've gone backwards

Quote: (08-06-2018 04:28 AM)joker Wrote:  

Can I please get some advice

1. Use paragraphs

2. Bang lots of sluts, preferably ones who are younger and hotter than your ex. Whenever you find yourself obsessed with a woman, the best medicine is to find another.

3. If you use Face Book or some other social website, post plenty of photos of yourself with said sluts. This will piss off your ex.
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#4

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Hey Joker,

It sounds like you're having a rough time right now. This forum is a great place to be in order to regain your confidence and get rolling again. It sounds like you're a young guy, and I can understand how it can feel so painful sometimes. As another young guy, I've been in your boat before. I've also written a previous post that you may find relevant:

Want advice for dealing with my longest case of oneitis

This desire for self improvement seems to have been borne out of an insecurity, some deep seated belief that you are not good enough. The fact that you went ahead and saw your ex and attempted to convince her that you've improved tells me that you weren't trying to convince her, you were trying to convince yourself. Before you even attempt to date another woman, this is the hurdle you need to overcome first. Forget your ex, she isn't the problem here. In fact, she shouldn't even be a party to this. The only thing that matters are your feelings toward her still.

I was faced with this when I lingered in the aftermath of my failed relationship in 2016. Much like you, Joker I went on a relentlessness march of self improvement. I was hitting it from all angles, and I did end up banging my ex again several times in the next 4 months. In hindsight I was trying to prove my value to her the entire time.

The hardest thing to do is realize that for most people, you will never be good enough. When you finally contend with this reality, it's going to sting a little. However, accepting this truth is the first step to your path of freedom. You're not good enough for them not because of you, but because of them. Their own sets of fears, and desires inform what makes someone good enough, which you have no power over. Your ex falls into this camp. My ex fell into it as well.

When someone feels that you are not good enough for them, you cannot change their reality. You can only let that person go, and let them go without resentment. I say this, because the root of unhappiness is to force yourself into situations where you do not belong. This causes a serious disconnect between your mind and heart, which is what you are going through right now.

To recap, you'll first have to accept that no matter how much you improve, you're not going to be good enough for her. That is a consequence of her own fears and insecurities, as well as desires that are not aligned with who you are.

Your second step to freedom is acceptance and forgiveness. Consistent happiness is based on an acceptance of yesterday, the hard work of today, and the eye towards progress tomorrow. It seems you've got parts 2 and 3 well enough in hand, so let's talk about the first part. Acceptance.

You're still having a hard time accepting that your ex chose someone else other than you. When someone chooses another person, they unconsciously choose someone that reflects who they are inside. Her decision to date a degenerate for three years tells me she has serious insecurities.

I invite you to view the situation like this. You dodged a bullet. I'll offer you this example. I just found out the other day that I got a girl pregnant. Not ideal, I know. However, this girl has solid values, a supportive family, and is extremely healthy emotionally. I dodged a bullet. Had this issue arisen with some of my former partners, I would be in deep shit.

Picture yourself accidentally getting your ex pregnant. The same girl who went out with her ex, and then fell in with a degenerate for 3 years. This is not the kind of woman you would want to be in a situation like this with. It's very clear she's not thinking of you, she's only thinking of herself. That could manifest all manner of problems.

Accept that you have a clean slate now. You've had three years of continuous self improvement and the chance to go out and find a woman (or better yet, women) that are more congruent with who you are now. The place you are is is one many men (perhaps even some on this forum) would envy.

Your ex is no longer part of your life. In order to allow yourself to accept this, you need to acknowledge all the unresolved emotions you hold toward her. You're very clearly still hurt, and I suspect there's anger there too.

Pain and anger are different sides of the same coin. They are permutations of fear. I'll come back to this in a bit, just keep the idea in the back of your head.

When I was recovering from my painful breakup, I came to a point where I realized I had a dumpster full of unresolved emotions that I had been pushing down for over a year. To let those lose, I advise you write them down. Write everything that you feel towards her, and then read it out loud.

I'm going to bet that many of items on your list relate back to fear. Fear that you're not good enough. Fear that you'll never find anyone better.

The first step to overcoming fear is identifying it. So I ask you OP, what are you really afraid of?

Figure that out, and then check out the Sedona Method. I'll allow you to be proactive and seek that out, because you have to participate in your own rescue. There's a free PDF that details it out there, I'm just going to let you find it!

After you've identified the fear, it's time to get back into the field. Start going on dates. Resist the urge to get serious with any one woman. By seeing the many different faces of women, your ex will begin to fade. You will experience highs and lows. Successes and failures as well. The whole process of self improvement in the women zone will help you heal the fears and limiting beliefs you have that relate to women.

Please feel free to reach out if you would like me to get more specific.

All the best my friend, and good luck.
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The dating/pick up market has been in an arms race for a couple of decades now. What worked 5 years ago often doesn't work today. In addition, women have continued to increase the amount the overvalue themselves, leading to fewer men actually having success in the marketplace. It really sucks.

I suggest continuing to work on self improvement and start planning trips abroad.
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Hang in there bro. From my point of view, you did all of this self improvement to ‘win her back’. Nothing is bad in doing self improvement but don’t it to win someone else approval. only your approval is important. Go anywhere and you will see abundance of women moving around. I would suggest going out more to keep your mind at ease. E.g, going to park or grabbing ice cream,not necessarily to game a girl

I live for my self and answer to nobody- the great Steve McQueen’s
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#7

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The title of this thread is "I´ve gone backwards". Really? According to your text about self-improvement, you´ve made huge step forward.
Your are much better then you were before. That´s what´s matters. It doesn´t matter how good you are in comparison with the second guy. Girls brain works totally differently, than ours. That´s why you will never find an answer why.
The only way is to keep moving. You can´t conciously change emotions towards anyone, so put those emotions behind the new experiences and better girls you can meet, because of the work you put into yourself.

Guys here explained very well your way towards self-improvement. I would say, it doesn´t matter why, just keep pushing. BUT. It´s summer and a lot of fun around. Give yourself a month of less strict lifestyle and go meet some girls.

"Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people."
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