[Docter]

So this is something that I just realized after reading Roosh's latest tweet.

I'm not really sure what a feminine woman is.

A) This is hilarious because it shows that women truly suck at it and

B) This is sad because I'm missing on, apparently, a more amazing type of woman.

I.E. I couldn't tell you whether a woman was feminine or not. I could identify one extreme (some ultra-nerdy ass, masculine women) but what would you say the other is?

Ultimately, I want to know if how much I'm missing out by locking myself down in the grand ol' USA because this shit is hidden.

Edit: To clarify my query... Many of you talk about how feminine women are in other parts of the world, as if a 3rd gender. What makes them so?

[Roosh]

Basically does she look like what a woman "should" look like. If you've only been in the U.S., you will not understand the feminine scale until you meet more feminine women. It's like if you eat cabbage and gruel all day, you will not understand someone else when they describe better food.

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The first is femininity, and describes her appearance. Is she wearing high heels and makeup? Or is she wearing dirty Converse shoes and a cheap summer dress? Are her clothes snug, revealing her curves? Or does she look sloppy with baggy jeans? Is her hair long? Or did she cut it because she was too lazy to maintain it? While a girl can’t change genetics, she has complete control over how feminine she appears.

Recently I went with my mother to visit her female doctor. Judging by the graduation date from the diploma hanging on her wall, the doctor was in her late 30′s, but looked to be almost the same age as my mom. Her hair was completely gray (she doesn’t dye it), she had no makeup on, and dressed like a menopausal woman. She moved like an old man. Someone who interacts with dozens of people a day was ugly in just about every way except for her intelligence, and has absolutely no pride in how she presents herself to the world. Unfortunately Western cultures are trending towards punishing women for appearing too feminine in the fear that they might be perceived as weak, dependent, and “girly.” At the same time men are punished for being too masculine, resulting in an androgynous archetype that both sexes overlap with (in America it’s common for some straight guys to be confused as gay, and some straight girls to be confused as dykes).

http://www.rooshv.com/three-components-of-female-beauty

[speakeasy]

If we're talking about personality, I associate femininity with women who number one, are sweet. They are nice and have a generally pleasant ambiance about them. Are not overly-argumentative. That doesn't mean she can't or shouldn't have her own opinions. After all I'd get bored of a girl that just said yes all the time and never had an interesting opinion. But if they like constant banter, dry intellectual conversation about geo-economics and one-upping that's a bad sign.

Women who talk like women and move like women, with the teasing, flirty intonations of voice that a sexually aware women uses. This comes natural with Brazilian women.

Women that smell like women. For the life of me I don't understand women that don't wear perfume. Sometimes a girl that's a 6 can almost become a 7 if she's wearing an intoxicating fragrance. Especially when you smell that fragrance on your pillow the next day after she left and it reminds you of the good time you had. It's in her best interest. It's like psychological reinforcement. Every time you walk by a woman with a similar fragrance it evokes a powerful emotion. An old oneitis of mine many years ago that broke my heart would wear this amazing fragrance. And every time I walked by a girl wearing the same thing I would get depressed. That's how powerful fragrance is. Pure classical condition.

I also love women that show a need to be protected. I love when I walk down a dark street and the girl grabs my arm just a little tighter. Little shit like that feels good and makes a difference. Girls who aren't afraid to act like they need a guy. I don't like those women that act like they are so fiercely "independent" that they can blow off a good dude and not even think a thing about it.

At this point I basically don't even expect women to know anything about cooking. We are now a fast food nation and cooking meals at home from scratch is going the way of the cassette tape. So when I run across a rare girl that knows how to cook, I'm blown away. But yeah, these days I don't even expect it since it's so rare. I can cook basic meals for myself and I can live with that.

A girl that's not difficult to please. Who appreciates nice things you do for them.

A good female is nurturing by nature. She likes to take care of a guy, take care of kids, or pets, or the home. That should be in her DNA to act that way reflexively. A couple Venezuelan friends of mine, a married couple stayed with me a few days from S. America. On their last day, I began putting away the blankets and pillows they were using, and she almost grabbed them from me and insisted on doing straightening up my place herself. I was impressed.

A girl with some kind of class and refinement. Nothing worse than walking down the street and see a girl stumbling out of a bar drunk and puking on the sidewalk. Girls that act rowdy and scream "woooooooo!" all the time are fucking annoying. That talk way too fast and too much about trivial nonsense you couldn't care less about.

As far as style, I have a pretty wide latitude on what is feminine attire. It could be anything from miniskirt and high heels like a Colombian salsa dancer, or it could be a girl with a more hipster style but knows how to make it look sexy. Hell, even me and Mixx were recently drooling over that pic of the gothic vampire girl dressed in all black with purple hair. That's sexy as hell too. I'm pretty open on style as long as she looks like she makes an effort whatever her sartorial preferences are and smells good.

[Screwston]

It's crazy but I was paying attention to my grandparents the other day when I went over. I noticed my grandma was dressed up, had her nails and hair done and put perfume on because they were going to a friend's house. She made my grandpa dinner, brought it out to him and asked if he wanted more when he finished (after taking the plate to the kitchen). He was watching boxing and she was asking some questions about it like she was interested. We know she wasn't but its the thought that counts. Anyways, its damn near impossible to find a girl like this. Just basic shit that you expect from women.

[Docter]

Ah that makes sense. thanks. I heavily agree about scent. shit is powerful.

@Roosh: If you take that same woman, dressed in a skirt and 'dolled up' per se, and threw her in fit jeans/nice top with skate shoes, do you think she'd be drastically less feminine?

[Mace]

This is a sad question.

I never knew what true femininity was untill I travelled overseas. I'd been so conditioned to stuck up bitchiness from attractive women here that I was blown away by good looking girls with a sweet, quiet, pleasant a dispositon. It was like relating to an alien subset of humanity - What?! They still make you?!?!?

speakeasy summed it up well.

I wonder if foreign men rag on their women as much as we do?

[Parlay44]

(09-27-2011 09:57 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I also love women that show a need to be protected. I love when I walk down a dark street and the girl grabs my arm just a little tighter. Little shit like that feels good and makes a difference. Girls who aren't afraid to act like they need a guy. I don't like those women that act like they are so fiercely "independent" that they can blow off a good dude and not even think a thing about it.

I had this one girl that would call and invite me over every time she was fighting with her boyfriend. I'd show up at her door and she'd be standing there looking at me with tears in her eyes.

Such a turn-on.

I'd put one hand around the back of her neck and make out with her in the doorway. She'd grab my hand, pull me in the bedroom, throw me down and fuck the living shit out of me.

[BLarsen]

(09-27-2011 09:57 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Women that smell like women. For the life of me I don't understand women that don't wear perfume. Sometimes a girl that's a 6 can almost become a 7 if she's wearing an intoxicating fragrance. Especially when you smell that fragrance on your pillow the next day after she left and it reminds you of the good time you had. It's in her best interest. It's like psychological reinforcement. Every time you walk by a woman with a similar fragrance it evokes a powerful emotion. An old oneitis of mine many years ago that broke my heart would wear this amazing fragrance. And every time I walked by a girl wearing the same thing I would get depressed. That's how powerful fragrance is. Pure classical condition.

+1 to that. First date with my wife, she smelled really really good. I knew it was going to be a good date.

10 years later we're getting divorced, so maybe I should go after some stanky bitch, IDK.

[Basil Ransom]

Speakeasy wrote a good description.

Feminine is the woman who speaks to you rapt in attention, hanging on every word. Even though she's just met you, her eyes and smile make it feel like she loves you, like you're the only man in the world that she cares for. For her, complimenting you is heartfelt, natural and unremarkable. Her femininity imbues her every movement: she closes doors softly, and she puts her purse down with grace. She doesn't drop it to the floor and let it "clop." In comparison to other women, she is often shorter and more childlike in appearance. Her pitch is higher. Her bones are small, her eyes big, her chin soft, her features less defined.

French women in particular, among the few I've met, have a special knack for it. They will flirt with a twinkle in their eye and a bright smile, all while they have absolutely no interest in you. I recall in particular my friend's fiancee doing just this to me. She didn't want to bang me, she was just French. An American woman will sooner fuck you than look at you like that. I recall reading someone else saying, that French women will flirt with you even when they don't want to bang you, while American women won't even when they do. Going from one to the other can be disorienting - the Frenchman thinks no girl likes him, while the American is surprised when French women reject him.

To explain it to an American girl, to a girl unfamiliar with femininity is to seem extremely picky and plain weird. After all, who cares how she puts down her purse? Who cares if she uses the word 'dude' a lot? Why do you care so much what she wears?

I recall a certain girl, among the most feminine I'd ever met. Short, blonde with alabaster skin. American, but I believe with Ukrainian parents. I met her at a trashy frat party, got her number, and thought nothing of it. The next day, she friended me on Facebook, saying she enjoyed speaking French with me and that she thought me very handsome. Immediately she went from just a number in my phone to a huge crush.

[speakeasy]

(09-28-2011 12:47 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

After all, who cares how she puts down her purse? Who cares if she uses the word 'dude' a lot?

I forgot about that one but it's important. I HATE women that talk like guys. Or have that "girl that's just one of the guys" type demeanor in any way. When I hear a girl say "dude!" or "yeeeah, I know fool..." or "homie" or any of that shit I just cringe.

One more...NO fuckin' tattoos!! Alright, there's a rare type of girl who can pull this off and look feminine, but for most women it's just wack.