[rotinz]

The world is becoming very individualistic with many people keeping to themselves with things like Netflix, videogames etc. and not really engaging with society. Most people both men and women these days have no close friends, social circle and friendship is being destroyed in general a lot of people say they have no friends and this is even becoming trendy to say. A lot of rappers are saying it in their songs and people say the same.

People will constantly be talking shit about someone they consider a friend, I used to think this was something only the stereotypical bitchy girl did but now I see all kinds of men and women doing it.

I just feel like in general their is a trend in society were social circle and friendship bonds are becoming much weaker and more superficial whenever they actually do appear. For example the obsession with social media and people collecting friends/followers to seem high status when they don't really have a close bond with any of those people.

Social circle is often hyped as the best way to game girls but with social circle kind of going away what will this mean? Friendship operates almost completely on the superficial level these days so how could a player use this to his advantage? Do you guys think the weak social ties of society will result in it being easier or harder for guys with good game to get girls?

I think if you can move past all the superficial bullshit and form a real bond with a girl you could easily game some of the hottest girls out there. A lot of these super hot girls that have a lot of social media followers in reality have no one they are really close to. Once you realize how to make a bond with these girls and their group of "girlfriends" (that they really hate and constantly talk shit about) as well as having game that's when I think you could use the weakening social ties in society to your advantage. Being able to navigate a degrading society with weak social ties and how to use this to your advantage will be crucial to a player moving forward in this world.

[cascadecombo]

Social circles will always be a thing. People gravitate towards eachother, and just becomes some people are claiming to have no friends or never leave their homes doesn't mean they're not upset and unhappy with their sad lonely life.

Even the antisocial crowds have their get together with their friends on a much smaller scale. When you form or enter into a social circle and start actually providing value, like holding events, people will come.

[Kid Twist]

This reminds me of the West also begging the question "What is game if you have no access"?

When a fellow forum member mentioned access as the real critical value in this entire "game" it elucidated a lot for me.

You can always self improve and increase mastery of game but in the declining west (imo) access is the critical issue.

The OP gets at this issue by hinting at the sad truth --- communities and even tribes are way less cohesive than they ever were due to modern bullshit. Wandering and defection from the tribe (and I don't say tribe lightly, in a lot of ways it can be bad) has increased dramatically in the last 20 years. Another reason why the carousel continues and relationships/marriages fail. Scarce are the people with values much less those who can even effectively communicate them.

[blck]

Human beings need to form tribes to belong to, at the same time some other people need to make said human beings more predictible, for example to make them think and act as one.

Replace real interactions where people discuss personal matters without digital interferences by people who try to belong to an online community focused on whatever matter the most to them trying not to offend anyone so they can come back.
At the same time, bringing virtually people on digital oasis can help some people to track them more effieciently and also prevent IRL action.

Following this reasoning you understand why people won't stop to get, online, the validation they used to have face to face.

How can a player profit the situation:
People crave to talk, please, seduce or just share what they think, even more with interesting stranger, to get direction or validation.
SocMed diving can bring a lot of intels to use on your target...

[godzilla]

(07-20-2018 01:02 PM)rotinz Wrote:  

People will constantly be talking shit about someone they consider a friend, I used to think this was something only the stereotypical bitchy girl did but now I see all kinds of men and women doing it.

Totally agree. I see guys in the workplace participating in female type bitchy gossip all the time. Its really quite sad honestly.

[Spengler1917]

I'm a pretty social person. That said, I don't have a close social circle. I've tried my best to form one. But it just doesn't work. So, I go out by myself. In fact, I'm about to head out right now!

[ADEBISIGARANA]

I go out solo. I have no anxiety don't need social circle to pull. But I see your point. Most guys are just lame can't go out solo dressed up and pull kittens. Introverted pieces of shid. A man must be comfortable/ willing to learn and be able to go out alone by himself and get laid.

[Captain Gh]

^^ Not saying going out alone is bad... but by putting some effort, even someone like me who's a Big Loner was able to keep 2 very close friends until I relocated to another city. Going out in duo has always been a good experience for me!

[Spengler1917]

Going out solo is somewhat of a drag in my opinion. When you’re with a friend, especially one who is also looking to pick up women, things come far more naturally — meaning there isn’t as much pressure when trying to pick up women.

[Axel99]

It sucks going out alone tbh, but that's what I've been doing for the past two years, I just haven't met a wingman I'm compatible with and I can honestly say it's better to go out solo than with a guy who doesn't click with you. But when you meet a friend who you get along with and have dat bromance going it's way funner and easier to pick up chicks.

[Alsos]

(07-20-2018 09:16 PM)ADEBISIGARANA Wrote:  

I go out solo. I have no anxiety don't need social circle to pull. But I see your point. Most guys are just lame can't go out solo dressed up and pull kittens. Introverted pieces of shid. A man must be comfortable/ willing to learn and be able to go out alone by himself and get laid.

Understand that not everyone has the personality to do this, nor can simply "unlearn" a foundational character trait like introversion. I am introverted, I learned from watching my charismatic father how to compensate, but there's only so far you can go when it's not natural to you. Different men require different methods.

As for the collapse of social circles, what is the remedy?

Building new ones.

If your social circle has drifted apart or fallen prey to petty psychodramas (as mine has lately) or dissipated for other reasons, consider ditching it and building another. Ideally, one with members who you can trust and depend on, who have shared interests over which you can bond.

[a beer is enough]

From what I have observed, social circle is almost mandatory for you if you want to get the majority of hot girls out there. Now granted some hot girls might be misfits or unaware of their value but most tend to go for guys with a great social circle. The reason for this is because I think popularity and status are the most important when it comes to attracting women. Women gravitate towards men that other women and even other people in general gravitate towards.

Social media is just one of many ways for social circles to stay in touch with each other and plan on meeting up at certain spots.

[Alpha_Ambitionz]

(07-20-2018 11:08 PM)Alsos Wrote:  

(07-20-2018 09:16 PM)ADEBISIGARANA Wrote:  

I go out solo. I have no anxiety don't need social circle to pull. But I see your point. Most guys are just lame can't go out solo dressed up and pull kittens. Introverted pieces of shid. A man must be comfortable/ willing to learn and be able to go out alone by himself and get laid.

Understand that not everyone has the personality to do this, nor can simply "unlearn" a foundational character trait like introversion. I am introverted, I learned from watching my charismatic father how to compensate, but there's only so far you can go when it's not natural to you. Different men require different methods.

As for the collapse of social circles, what is the remedy?

Building new ones.

If your social circle has drifted apart or fallen prey to petty psychodramas (as mine has lately) or dissipated for other reasons, consider ditching it and building another. Ideally, one with members who you can trust and depend on, who have shared interests over which you can bond.

How can you create a great social circle if most of your interests are solitary pursuits, such as reading, writing, cooking, lifting, and meditating?

Most people on this forum recommend joining clubs and meetups that are based on your interests, but I feel like if I were to join a book club or a writing meetup, most of the people there would be loners like me.

I would prefer to be in a social circle that's filled with hot girls and well-connected guys.

[BlueMark]

(07-21-2018 02:07 PM)Alpha_Ambitionz Wrote:  

How can you create a great social circle if most of your interests are solitary pursuits, such as reading, writing, cooking, lifting, and meditating?

Most people on this forum recommend joining clubs and meetups that are based on your interests, but I feel like if I were to join a book club or a writing meetup, most of the people there would be loners like me.

I would prefer to be in a social circle that's filled with hot girls and well-connected guys.

That's a very good point. Even more so if the interests are in male-dominated areas.

Just think: if men and women are fundamentally different, they will gravitate toward different areas of interest, therefore it is fundamentally unrealistic to expect a social circle rich with girls (not even hot girls) if you go purely by genuine interests.

Another aspect is that if you're actually pursuing self-improvement-type interests, it is unlikely that you will meet hot girls there because there is less incentive for them to improve themselves when they have no shortage of suitors.

[Johnnyvee]

(07-21-2018 01:38 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

From what I have observed, social circle is almost mandatory for you if you want to get the majority of hot girls out there. Now granted some hot girls might be misfits or unaware of their value but most tend to go for guys with a great social circle. The reason for this is because I think popularity and status are the most important when it comes to attracting women. Women gravitate towards men that other women and even other people in general gravitate towards.

Social media is just one of many ways for social circles to stay in touch with each other and plan on meeting up at certain spots.

I think that for LTR`s a social circle is necessary yes. But for ONS and shorter flings? Some guys (like Roosh also) seems to do pretty well with mostly solo game. And for some types of game it might be an advantage, like picking up girls right as the bars close. Since she doesn`t have any relation to you, she can bang without risking her reputation etc. What do you think?

[Alsos]

(07-21-2018 07:06 PM)BlueMark Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 02:07 PM)Alpha_Ambitionz Wrote:  

How can you create a great social circle if most of your interests are solitary pursuits, such as reading, writing, cooking, lifting, and meditating?

Most people on this forum recommend joining clubs and meetups that are based on your interests, but I feel like if I were to join a book club or a writing meetup, most of the people there would be loners like me.

I would prefer to be in a social circle that's filled with hot girls and well-connected guys.

That's a very good point. Even more so if the interests are in male-dominated areas.

Just think: if men and women are fundamentally different, they will gravitate toward different areas of interest, therefore it is fundamentally unrealistic to expect a social circle rich with girls (not even hot girls) if you go purely by genuine interests.

Another aspect is that if you're actually pursuing self-improvement-type interests, it is unlikely that you will meet hot girls there because there is less incentive for them to improve themselves when they have no shortage of suitors.

You work your way through those interests (and find new interests you didn't know you had) until you find ones that aren't peopled by loners. Too much of a loner for team sports? Join a club for more individual sports, like hiking, where you can build relationships with just a couple or few people at a time over a shared experience. Take a class where most or every other participant is an individual in isolation from their own social circle and where strangers will be obliged to work together (first-aid training, for example, or a night class at the local community college). The value of shared experiences in building and reinforcing new relationships can't be overstated - find an activity where this is an intrinsic element or a natural side-effect.

Male-dominated activities are fine, if they lead to meeting the right kind of men for your social circle or otherwise open new social channels for you connected to or outside of the activity (so don't rule out male-dominated pursuits like MMA, for example - use them to network). It may take a little more work and a little more patience to make anything of it, but why not do it in parallel with the above?

On the other hand, focus your energy and time only on activities where the participants are the kind of people you need to associate yourself with to grow and improve. If the others are all like the social circle you're used to, or if you show up the first time and it's a room full of dorks and spergs and gammas, or the others are in some way dysfunctional, toxic, or losers, don't waste your time - bail. Try another group or another activity.