[Simeon_Strangelight]

If only we were all identical clones or twins to correctly measure all that entails Game.

Your looks, height or heritage will impact your Game.
Your ability to seduce women is based on those underlying factors.
A 5'1 ugly short guy banging 5 hot girls per year may have x-times the game of a good-looking 6'3 bloke who bangs 100 hotties per year.
In addition you have to add the ability of putting across your Game or teaching it - a master of seduction may be shit at teaching or putting it all on paper.

Thus all comparisons are really useless - unless we would really be all clone troopers of the same age.

But recognizing solid Game or someone who is excellent - that is no problem.

[Giacomo Casanova]

Among the guys that I met personally I would say Digital Nomad.

[BlackFriar]

I have met DigitalNomad in Europe. He has a very laid back personality. Dude has game and his posts are true.

[asdfk]

I disagree with Simeon. A short guy can buy a leather jacket, some Timbalands and go to the gym. I know a dude like that. He be pulling tail like crazy.

I know a ugly skinny dude who bangs a different chick anytime he wants in one of the hardest cities in Europe (horrible ratio).

Looks can be overcome by either insane game or by tweaking your appearance. That short dude is prolly banging a 9 and laughing his ass off as we speak.

[Cation]

It is true, it's possible for an ugly man to pull 8s.

I just never saw it live, so I believe it's really rare.

Unless he's a millionaire, of course.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

It's far less common. Most so-called Naturals and superb pussy-slayers are above average in looks at least.

Of course it can be done - there are examples out there, but it's just more hurdles to overcome. The idea that looks don't matter is disputed by anyone who has made thousands of approaches and has taught other men the art of seduction. Never mind - the added bonus of almost free pussy coming your way if you are very good looking via online game.

[dies irae]

Cr33pin

[ADEBISIGARANA]

Me.

[True Balla]

I think it just depends on how you compare it. I'm a 5'8 Indian guy, and it takes waay more effort for me to pull than friends of mine that are 6ft + and white. However, I pull really well because I have resources, such as a nice car, nice place, etc. So it just depends how and what factors you're measuring.

[asdfk]

Simon, I'm not saying "looks don't matter." They do.

I find it useful to distinguish between "pre-selection" and "game".

Men with a high SMV get pre-selected. It's based on their looks, status or other desirable qualities she can gauge before he has opened his mouth.

If you are not pre-selected you can compensate by having tight game. This is what comes out of your mouth when you are in front of the girl in question.

A smart man will not only improve what he says to girls but also do everything to raise his SMV and thus increase the amount of girls who "pre-select" him.

I largely agree what your initial point that a short ugly guy might have way more game than a tall good-looking dude. But I've also seen examples of short ugly dudes who raised their SMV and became pre-selected more often then tall, good-looking dudes. I even know a dude in a wheelchair who found a way to get pre-selected at the club.

Is it more worthwhile to increase your SMV or to tighten your game? That depends on what your weakest point is.

[Cobra]

This thread would maybe be best if we could just be celebrating players and not psycho analyzing what good game is.

To me, there's enough other threads for that.

Just my .02.

[JohnQPublic]

Game is Game. I think Mystery (from the Mystery Method) was 6'6" or 6'7" but that didn't prevent him from codifying it into a system.
However...the most important thing I got out of Mystery and Style (of the Game fame) was that they all go their significant other via social circle. Words to the Wise.

[Roosh]

I was impressed with Tokyo Joe's game, because he knows how to connect with girls of different nationalities pretty effortlessly. Most of us have specialties/niches that focus on a narrow range of targets and situations (e.g. day game in country X and Y). If you throw me into Colombia tomorrow, for example, I'd need a few months to adapt.

The best game I see worldwide is from Italian men. They usually have charm, style, looks, and balls by default. I've met a handful who are very very good. I can deconstruct exactly what they're doing but it can't really be copied.

[sterling_archer]

Do overt hand gesticulation help Italians in game? They are well known for talking with hands.

[Skank_Hunt]

I agree with Roosh in that everyone has a niche.

Overall, based on results and varying SMV, I would give it to Digital Nomad. This is because not only does he slay it in his niche, people who have met him and his posts suggest he is laid back enough to adapt to different environments very well. Like a duck to water, so to speak. He is neither good looking nor ugly but maximizes his SMV in addition to having a stinger missile like slut radar.

[Papi Rico]

My biggest game inspirations and who have most contributed to my development as a player have been Dantes (day), Irish (night), and LINUX (overall frame).

I have many other boys on here whom I'd consider 'black belts' but these 3 to me are the grandmasters.

Eternal gratitude to Roosh and the forum for the opportunity to transform my life.

[Cr33pin]

[SteezeySteve]

Steezeysteve...... hoes steal my phone to get my number

Rionomad or linux

[droughtmeat]

(07-24-2018 03:55 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

Do overt hand gesticulation help Italians in game? They are well known for talking with hands.

they'll approach almost anywhere and their persistence is crazy. They're totally within their own frame, though they lack tact. They're willing to take multiple rejections from the same girl within a span of 20 minutes. If a girl rejects them, it means she "hasn't understood yet" so mights as well keep trying.
They know how to lead and make their intentions clear just by their behavior.

Due to the economic situation in Italy most of the guys in their mid to late 20s live with their parents, bt they still feel worthy of the best girls and would never worry about status or not having an imposing physique etc.
Logistics? Let's just have sex on a random car

[Dantes]

I have had the opportunity to learn a lot from many men on the forum, too many to list.

Two come to mind who are best able to mix it up with women on their own terms :

Papi Rico

Spider

[jordypip23]

I'm sure there are quite a few incredible players that have been around the forum. I love using sports as an analogy here. Even the greatest athletes in the world did not win every single game they played in. They did tend to win at a higher clip than the majority of men, however.

They know how to leverage their environment & execute well within their role / niche. Or they might be well above average in numerous categories. They make everyone else around them more valuable at least for a time (players make the woman feel like she is with the most electrifying choice she can have at the moment). Players are also good at neutralizing threats & obstacles that may lie in the way. The best ones are truly persistent in the face of adversity. These guys have a sort of star power that is tough to summarize within just words.

[Mercenary]

I forgot 1 more guy

Mad crazy game from RVF user kiev1691 - The man who invented the term "hug close"

[Dulceácido]

(07-25-2018 01:02 PM)jordypip23 Wrote:  

I'm sure there are quite a few incredible players that have been around the forum. I love using sports as an analogy here. Even the greatest athletes in the world did not win every single game they played in. They did tend to win at a higher clip than the majority of men, however.

They know how to leverage their environment & execute well within their role / niche. Or they might be well above average in numerous categories. They make everyone else around them more valuable at least for a time (players make the woman feel like she is with the most electrifying choice she can have at the moment). Players are also good at neutralizing threats & obstacles that may lie in the way. The best ones are truly persistent in the face of adversity. These guys have a sort of star power that is tough to summarize within just words.

jordypip23 with a sports analogy. Who'd have imagined? lol.