[dr.feelgood]

I found that treating Ukrainian women as whores- no P4P- is the best way to get their attention and speed up the banging process. Just ignore them after the first date and do your other dates, leaving a communication gap of 2-3 days. If she texts you reply with something like "What the fuck you want, I'm busy, making money." If it's hard to bang them, throw a few dollars in their faces, when she's at your place. They love it and fuck better. Just don't show weakness at any time. They will eat you alive. Hope things haven't changed a lot, since I ve done that 5 years ago and banged some hotties.

[DT94]

That could work .Make them feel worthless. The other day i slept with a girl who was abused in her childhood by her dad ( marks of cuts on her wrists , she tried to commit suicide ) and later on by her ex . ( bruises on her body , particularly ass ) . She gave me full body and foot massage after sex . She washed me in the shower and tidied up my room before leaving in the morning . Many Ukrainian women are used to being treated like shit for so long that it normalizes the brutality and to be made feel worthless after a while . That is what she told me at least . She did not leave her ex until the beatings and abuses reached an unbearable point . She told me guy became "inadequate", that is how she put it .Bitch is fucked up , she is on antidepressants and has suicidal thoughts .She is not even the first and will not be the last Ukrainian girl with such past experiences . Not neccessarily asserting physical dominance but playing psychological definitely works . Most of them have fucked up inner world and 3rd world problems no matter how brightly they smile or how positive of a vibe they try to create.

[scengja]

(06-21-2018 04:15 PM)dr.feelgood Wrote:  

If it's hard to bang them, throw a few dollars in their faces, when she's at your place. They love it and fuck better.

Uhm, maybe I am Orthodox here but I'm pretty sure "throwing a few dollars" at someone in order for them to have sex with you might be considered P4P...

(06-21-2018 04:15 PM)dr.feelgood Wrote:  

If she texts you reply with something like "What the fuck you want, I'm busy, making money." ... Hope things haven't changed a lot, since I ve done that 5 years ago and banged some hotties.

I think perhaps it is time for a revisit, your "strategy" might need some updating

[Wander]

(06-21-2018 11:55 PM)DT94 Wrote:  

That could work .Make them feel worthless. The other day i slept with a girl who was abused in her childhood by her dad ( marks of cuts on her wrists , she tried to commit suicide ) and later on by her ex . ( bruises on her body , particularly ass ) . She gave me full body and foot massage after sex . She washed me in the shower and tidied up my room before leaving in the morning . Many Ukrainian women are used to being treated like shit for so long that it normalizes the brutality and to be made feel worthless after a while . That is what she told me at least . She did not leave her ex until the beatings and abuses reached an unbearable point . She told me guy became "inadequate", that is how she put it .Bitch is fucked up , she is on antidepressants and has suicidal thoughts .She is not even the first and will not be the last Ukrainian girl with such past experiences . Not neccessarily asserting physical dominance but playing psychological definitely works . Most of them have fucked up inner world and 3rd world problems no matter how brightly they smile or how positive of a vibe they try to create.

Abused by her ex in the ass?, that's not abuse, many Ukrainian women beg for it in the bum. A good way to tell the slutty girls in Odessa in summer is the amount of bruises the girls have.

You seem to believe everything that Ukrainian girls tell you, the truth is that they are animals just like the men, but in disguise. They mercilessly chase money, if they want to chase after the gangster animal type guy with money, then I have no sympathy for when they get treated like shit and tossed aside.

As far as abusing women then Turks and Arabs are king, at least Ukrainian men don't keep their women in cages.

So let's see now, the girl that you "slept with" had bruises on her ass and legs, she gave you a full body and foot massage, and gave you a shower afterwards

You slept with a prostitute

[DT94]

(06-23-2018 03:27 AM)Wander Wrote:  

(06-21-2018 11:55 PM)DT94 Wrote:  

That could work .Make them feel worthless. The other day i slept with a girl who was abused in her childhood by her dad ( marks of cuts on her wrists , she tried to commit suicide ) and later on by her ex . ( bruises on her body , particularly ass ) . She gave me full body and foot massage after sex . She washed me in the shower and tidied up my room before leaving in the morning . Many Ukrainian women are used to being treated like shit for so long that it normalizes the brutality and to be made feel worthless after a while . That is what she told me at least . She did not leave her ex until the beatings and abuses reached an unbearable point . She told me guy became "inadequate", that is how she put it .Bitch is fucked up , she is on antidepressants and has suicidal thoughts .She is not even the first and will not be the last Ukrainian girl with such past experiences . Not neccessarily asserting physical dominance but playing psychological definitely works . Most of them have fucked up inner world and 3rd world problems no matter how brightly they smile or how positive of a vibe they try to create.

Abused by her ex in the ass?, that's not abuse, many Ukrainian women beg for it in the bum. A good way to tell the slutty girls in Odessa in summer is the amount of bruises the girls have.

You seem to believe everything that Ukrainian girls tell you, the truth is that they are animals just like the men, but in disguise. They mercilessly chase money, if they want to chase after the gangster animal type guy with money, then I have no sympathy for when they get treated like shit and tossed aside.

As far as abusing women then Turks and Arabs are king, at least Ukrainian men don't keep their women in cages.

So let's see now, the girl that you "slept with" had bruises on her ass and legs, she gave you a full body and foot massage, and gave you a shower afterwards

You slept with a prostitute

In the Arabic culture(which i do not like mostly) woman belongs to the man.Period.I am not Muslim and even Islamophobic to some degree . I do not want women submission's foundation to be bronze age dogmatic superstition .I think it is in the nature of manhood , to possess women and to be appreciated,loved moreover worshipped by women.In terms of these i support Arabic culture. But their system makes women excessively ignorant and moron . I like travelling together with my woman , i would like to be able to talk with them about cultural , historical , scientific topics . She should have an opinion about pretty much everything and declare it liberally . Western men want women submission in more moderate and milder ways,because the culture is different.Women rights are in better condition.

Ukrainian men do not keep their women in cages. In time when the initial passion of the relationship diminishes the money is not enough for the girl and she looks elsewhere for additional 'financial sources''.The guy realizes love is not real,and all of the feelings,time and effort he put in for the girl was a lie. That combined with low salaries ,poor nutrition,por healtcare,corruption and other shitty 3rd world problems makes him start overdrinking that will take a toll on his psychology and body.Check the average life expectancy of Russian and Ukrainian men.It is way below Europe ,USA and even Turkey.
It is true that i am good at abusing women who crave for it.I will not force a woman who does not want it , that is raping .In Ukraine that is the trend , i heard it confirmed by so many Ukrainians that it is not a stereotype anymore!

I met my girl via a thematic dating site(BDSM).She was a lower and maschosist,but still the pain and abuse inflicted on her be her ex was too much to take.This is the girl i have been dating regularly.I bought her a perfume and showed up for the dates with flowers.That is all.I think i got back way more than what i gave,since sex was amazing all week long and she did whatever told without taboos.I will leave it here.

Ukrainian women are like whores, true that.I memorized her password and checked her phone while she was smoking on the balcony , it was dissapointing to see how many men she is in contact with.I want to avoid generalizations as much as possible though.I want to believe if Ukrainian women love and truly admire a man who can take care of her financially (most of them have no problem with being housewifes),then there can be a long term relationship.Maybe i am too naive.But i still have small sample size relations ( 4 short term relationships ) with Ukrainian girls.When i move there i will have a better understanding if the girls are worth it or not.That is the advantage of speaking Russian when you master it , the geography is so broad that you can experiment - fail / succeed in many countries with many women.

I am glad you mentioned Odessa . In Odessa i met many girls coming from rural areas or small towns who were abused by their exes . For the guys who are into such stuff check if the necklaces are shaped as a collar . That is a subliminal message that she is a lower and she will take the abuse.

[Henny]

DT94, you listen to prostitutes you hang around with too much, they will start to regard you as their gay friend who they can talk about anything with.

[DT94]

@Henny They do not tell me anything unless i specifically ask about it . Only shut their mouth and do as they are told . You can keep living your vanilla relationships . You will never know what it is like to own a woman . I am not judging . If treating women nicely and equally makes you happy then pursue this kind of relationship. Some Western men are so docile that you will be some woman's bitch , let alone coming close to owning a bitch .

[Count Pierre]

(06-23-2018 10:52 AM)DT94 Wrote:  

Only shut their mouth and do as they are told ....... You will never know what it is like to own a woman . let alone coming close to owning a bitch

If a ukrainian or russian woman understands that you don't respect her, she'll give you no respect either.

Humour, intelligence, empathy, sentimentality and sensitivity at the right moments, ect take you far with ukrainian (or russian for that matter) women, when combined with the right dose of manliness.

Of course I am talking about "normal" women, not the turk-groupies skanks you allegedly "slept with".

Your turk (pseudo) hyper macho BS is just disgusting raving nonsense. You seem to be the living proof why your countrymen are disdained (and most often hated) in the FSU.

[DT94]

I recommend you to search BDSM and thematic relationship on google .Maybe you will have a clear understandind of my previous posts .I am not talking about normal women , i am talking about submissive women who enjoy being abused and humiliated .I have noticed even many normal women hace such experiences in Ukraine. And it turns out some of them enjoy it. And i wanted to share my observation so maybe would be helpful if there is a forum member who is into this kind of stuff. But i have been exposed to so much hate on the forum .If you do not approve , just pass by . You do not know me so how do you know i am typical Turkish macho who lacks the qualities that you referred to ? Have we met in real life ? Nobody forces you to post . Did i dictate my lifestyle on you ? People have so much guts on the internet , it is funny . I am only laughing to your ignorance and prejudices . I gotta admit it is a little bit annoying though . I am a tolerant man and i actually like many elements of Western European and American culture , i have many Western European friends who are cool and real dudes.I lived in Germany for extensive time. Also Americans i got acquianted with were cool people. So i will not fire back with hate no matter how hard you try .

I tried normal dates but appearantly that is not my thing, that is too much effort, money and time with little in return. Up to now i failed with normal dates. Still maybe one day i enjoy a normal relationship , if i can pull that off on my terms.It is interesting to read guys experiences on the site .

The FSU women are right to hate my countrymen . Most of them indeed lack the qualities you mentioned . They also lack money , game , style . They are mostly pathalogical liers and scammers . In Turkey it is a humor element/something to be proud of if you cheated someone and took advantage.It is disgusting for me.Up to the date i could not understand how they communicate with women . They do not speak English nor Russian even at basic levels . They embarass themselves . With a few exceptions .
On the other hand i did not see a single American man with Ukrainian girl. A few European men accompanied by Ukrainian women( supposedly , German or Northern European judging by the phenotype ; blonde , tall , fair skinned men and facial futures resembling ) . It is a small world and i did not spend little time in Ukraine(3 months under my belt since last summer) . So maybe the people on the forum should stop boosting themselves and write about their true experiences .Including rejections and failed attempts . Up to now seen mostly only local men , Turkish and Arabic sponsors .I have seen a few middle aged Turkish men with peer Ukrainian wifes as well .

For your information , i do not treat a normal woman harshly and in a rude, brutal manner.I treat normal women normal way , everything will change once i understand she wants a nasty man . I search for BDSM submissives-maschosists who enjoy this kind of sex or lifestyle .I have started to build a solid social circle with these kind of women . There is plenty of such women in Ukraine .I have noticed that they are much more transparent and honest than normal women . They gave me important insight about the theme ,dating ,gender relations , marriage life in Ukraine. There are no expectations and benefits , only friendly chatting for acquiantance . There would be no reason they are lying to me .Only my Russian is not sufficient yet , so i do not comprehend everything . There are some funny misunderstandings that make both sides burst out laughters.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

All or almost all women have an inbuilt submissive streak - some have one that is going further than with others, demand even masochism. It's nothing special really.

50Shades should tell you clearly what women actually desire.

[Cobra]

Guy starts the thread shunning P4P and then says throw some dollars at them to fuck better.