[XXL]

guys's really flirty, relaxed, chill, normal, casual, spontaneous, talks shit etc. even though he tells one guy he open with some lines he really doesn't, it's mostly situational freestyle.

btw, guy persist too hard when he should not few times but that's strictly for the show

check his pickups on YT. tell me what you think before i tell something.

http://www.youtube.com/user/VitalyzdTv/videos

[Greek kamaki]

He is not smooth at all.He is also offensive at many cases no good calibration.Every girl requires different style.

[Juan Antonio]

Agree with Greek Kamaki.
 
Best day game player is Paul Janka. Dude closes like a champ while looking like a shady serial killer.
 

 

 

 

I think Janka's laid back indirect style is what works best on American girls.
 
Also like this guy:
 

 
Granted, it looks like an English dude picking up what appears to be a 30+ foreign woman not fluent in English on home turf so it's like playing in the bush leagues compared to local young American girls.

[Surreyman]

I prefer the stuff Roosh talks about in Day Game. I'm biased because that casual, relaxed style comes naturally to me anyway, but I can't help feeling that whilst most girls enjoyed the guy in the OP's presence, he was more of an entertainer than anything else. The super-extrovert style looks good on camera, but I wonder how it would compare on a datasheet. I bet he gets numbers easily, but the flake rate must be through the roof.

[Greek kamaki]

Paul Janka is really good.It is exactly the right tone.Also the body language is very good.He is also Czech I think and Czechs are usually very smooth.

[Snowman]

He's entertaining and most is for show. And when he is offensive it's kinda like a metaphor to the guys watching, somethin like "don't be so afraid of saying something stupid".

[MrXY]

The first guy is just trying to be a youtube comedian- his pickup style is awful

Janka on the other hand, is very skilled. His body language is excellent, and his manner of speaking is relaxed, confident and well paced, and he cycles through the routine very smoothly. Nice work

[Screwston]

These guys are clowns compared to my boy Sasha.

[Veloce]

While I agree that Paul Janka has great body language, vibe, confidence, etc, I still wanna know what his close rate is. Although one thing I can say is I'm in L.A. and in these clips he's in Austin. Austin chicks are way more down to earth and approachable. L.A. girls are approachable but extremely flaky. I have a hard time that with these 5 minute interactions, his date/bang conversion is very good. However, I can imagine him absolutely killing it at night.

[brianmark]

(07-09-2012 11:14 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

While I agree that Paul Janka has great body language, vibe, confidence, etc, I still wanna know what his close rate is. Although one thing I can say is I'm in L.A. and in these clips he's in Austin. Austin chicks are way more down to earth and approachable. L.A. girls are approachable but extremely flaky. I have a hard time that with these 5 minute interactions, his date/bang conversion is very good. However, I can imagine him absolutely killing it at night.

I'm a fan of Janka and my approach style is similar to his. I believe his flake rate is something like this: He gets one number for every 10 girls he approaches. I believe he goes through 10 numbers to get one date. I am not surprised at the 1 date from 10 numbers because he doesn't spend much time with each of them before he gets the number. I'm don’t believe that all that extra does that much anyway. It's a PUA myth from the Mystery/Game school that says you have to entertain girls for long periods of time to build attraction before getting numbers!

The Anti-PUA guys like to say it’s all a game of numbers. This is only a small part of it. This guy has tons of Game. How many guys do you know that stand on street corners and get numbers in 60s from cold approach. I’d call that Game! Janka says he doesn’t like bars, because he doesn’t like all the competition and likes have the girls one on one, like he gets during most day game!

My guess is he also did this in Austin because the girls are a lot more casual there than in NYC. NYC girls can be real hard asses!

I don’t understand why Janka wants to look like a serial killer. I can’t imagine that he wouldn’t have done better if looked a little less rough. The other big surprise is how bad the girls in Austin look. They look like total slobs! Most of them couldn’t dress any worse if they tried and I thought the South was known for its feminine girls!

[Juan Antonio]

I'm thinking Janka intentionally obscured his good looks with a scruffy beard, shades, and hat so guys wouldn't claim that he was racking up numbers due to his looks. Goes to show that strong body language, tonality, and a confident masculine dominant frame can compensate for a "shady" appearance.

PJ claims he number closes about in 1 in 3 approaches, averages 1-2 mins a number close, and he gets 40 a week. At an 11% conversion rate that's about 4 lays for 40-80 mins work in set. Not bad at all. Far more efficient than one 45 minute set that may or may not lead anywhere.
 
Problem is this numbers game approach is only feasible if you live in a high pedestrian traffic area with lots of girls. NYC or any American college town would be ideal.
 

[el mechanico]

I think I'm starting to like those Sasha videos. I made it all the way to 1:06 this time. It also made me realize that I need my own theme beat

[Veloce]

(07-10-2012 11:58 AM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

I'm thinking Janka intentionally obscured his good looks with a scruffy beard, shades, and hat so guys wouldn't claim that he was racking up numbers due to his looks. Goes to show that strong body language, tonality, and a confident masculine dominant frame can compensate for a "shady" appearance.

PJ claims he number closes about in 1 in 3 approaches, averages 1-2 mins a number close, and he gets 40 a week. At an 11% conversion rate that's about 4 lays for 40-80 mins work in set. Not bad at all. Far more efficient than one 45 minute set that may or may not lead anywhere.
 
Problem is this numbers game approach is only feasible if you live in a high pedestrian traffic area with lots of girls. NYC or any American college town would be ideal.
 

For the sake of mathematical argument, that's 40-80 minutes just to get that quantity of numbers. You're not factoring in how much time he's spending on dates with these girls to get them in the sack. I'd like to see footage of his dates with these girls leading up to the bang to see how he actually establishes attraction rather than just collecting numbers.

The Simple Pickup guys have shown how easy it is to get numbers, what interests me more these days is seeing how fast a dude can escalate to the bang. Far more useful info for me, and obviously harder footage to obtain.

[brianmark]

(07-10-2012 11:58 AM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

I'm thinking Janka intentionally obscured his good looks with a scruffy beard, shades, and hat so guys wouldn't claim that he was racking up numbers due to his looks. Goes to show that strong body language, tonality, and a confident masculine dominant frame can compensate for a "shady" appearance.

PJ claims he number closes about in 1 in 3 approaches, averages 1-2 mins a number close, and he gets 40 a week. At an 11% conversion rate that's about 4 lays for 40-80 mins work in set. Not bad at all. Far more efficient than one 45 minute set that may or may not lead anywhere.
 
Problem is this numbers game approach is only feasible if you live in a high pedestrian traffic area with lots of girls. NYC or any American college town would be ideal.
 

So you are saying he fucks 11% of the girls he gets the number from? What % of the of the girls he gets numbers from flake on him. I'd guess at least 50%.

[brianmark]

(07-10-2012 01:35 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I think I'm starting to like those Sasha videos. I made it all the way to 1:06 this time. It also made me realize that I need my own theme beat

I think Sasha is a clown. He's good at saying stupid shit that turns girls off. On his Ukraine video, he can't even close numbers in Ukraine and he speaks fluent Russian. I'm not impressed.

[polish rumble]

(07-09-2012 12:17 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

Also like this guy: 

Great stuff. Check out his body language, how he builds attraction and holds the tension by touching her, escalating physical and eye contact. I love what he did after she said that kissing is inappropriate (when 90% of guys would probably stop there) : he kept on going, show his killer instinct of an alpha male and he obtained a kiss, after that there's no way that she won't give her number up. Oh and check out what what hes saying - simple basic lines, plus the girl almost didn't speak english, that's because verbal contact isn't the most important - it's your body language

(07-09-2012 10:32 PM)houston Wrote:  

These guys are clowns compared to my boy Sasha.

In my books Sasha is a clown who shows off and don't deliver. Who the hell asks right after opener "how many bf do you have?". It's a rookie mistake, don't ever show interest to a girl until she shows you first - that's why she says about her boyfriend, it's probably a defense line. Not to mention that he makes girls so uncomfortable that I belive that they think only about how to dump that clown. Hes awkward and painful to watch.

[XXL]

ok obviously this vitaly dude is mainly fucking around with girl for his little show so it's more about making his show entertaining than meeting and getting girls he likes.

paul janka on the other hand is full on shark and does awesome job, guy who is actually cool and his interactions are casual fun and most importantly natural. that's what i mean by 'being normal'. best public daygame videos no doubt.

as opposing to sasha who is full clown, rushing and robotically spitting same shit, dancing monkey vibe and his jittery makes him look like a premature ejaculator.

however "how many bf do you have?" is the same 'wrong' thing to say as saying "my grandma is now officially on facebook". it can't be really labelled as mistake by default since content always depends on the context so every interaction is case by case basis.

in this particular case he crossed the line a bit later. at first when she was still sceptical about him, he started BF thread which was unnecessary and very edgy (multiplied by the fact that he's stranger) in that moment but got away with it. until 7:24 when he said "...imaginary" and she smiled. after that moment he messed up by insisting on the topic and getting too confrontational too early. too bad cause until that she was at least a bit attentive, bit smilling and looking at him.

not to mention that i cringe watching trying hard to hook a girl instead of screening from the get go. but that's just me.

[Juan Antonio]

There are multiple levels of communication. Broadly these can be simplified into two categories.

1. What is actually being said. This is largely irrelevant.

2. What is being sub-communicated i.e. everything else apart from the words.. This is where "seduction" actually happens.

Insecure chodes like Sasha focus on the words. They build elaborate structures which force them to take actions like kissing the girl, touching her etc.

Natural players like Paul Janka (ie. the guys who fuck 100's of girls without ever learning about any "method") understand that the actual conversation is unimportant. The actual styles they use are very differentiated but there is one thing which they all have in common. Good sub-communications.

The best players I've met actually use mostly boring and generic conversation as this is the easiest way to not trigger logical objections from the girl. The reason they get results is because they use non-verbals to communicate pure sexual dominance.

Routines guys eventually get a feel for the correct actions, they begin to project the right non-verbals and sub-communications. This is why they eventually get laid. Unfortunately they wrongly rationalize that it is the scripts and elaborate "routines" which they spent so long creating which got them the results.

[Veloce]

(07-12-2012 10:46 AM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

The best players I've met actually use mostly boring and generic conversation as this is the easiest way to not trigger logical objections from the girl. The reason they get results is because they use non-verbals to communicate pure sexual dominance.

Great point.