[debeguiled]

(04-18-2019 03:53 PM)Irenicus Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 03:04 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 02:32 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 01:44 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 01:26 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Jesus was a Jew

No, there's no proof of that.

Jesus was from Galilee, which was inhabited by greeks, celts and other levantine people.

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The region's Israelite name is from the Hebrew root galil, an ultimately unique word for 'district', and usually 'cylinder'. The Hebrew form used in Isaiah 8:23 (or 9:1 in different Biblical versions) is in the construct state, "g'lil hagoyim", meaning 'Galilee of the nations', i.e. the part of Galilee inhabited by Gentiles at the time that the book was written.

OK, so more evidence that Jews did not "write the book on subversion"

Paul aka Saul was a jew though and it's essentially his church.

So, according to you, some Jew Saul (Paul) created Christianity in order to subvert the West?

My God... .

[nomadbrah]

(04-18-2019 03:53 PM)Irenicus Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 03:04 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 02:32 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 01:44 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 01:26 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Jesus was a Jew

No, there's no proof of that.

Jesus was from Galilee, which was inhabited by greeks, celts and other levantine people.

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The region's Israelite name is from the Hebrew root galil, an ultimately unique word for 'district', and usually 'cylinder'. The Hebrew form used in Isaiah 8:23 (or 9:1 in different Biblical versions) is in the construct state, "g'lil hagoyim", meaning 'Galilee of the nations', i.e. the part of Galilee inhabited by Gentiles at the time that the book was written.

OK, so more evidence that Jews did not "write the book on subversion"

Paul aka Saul was a jew though and it's essentially his church.

So, according to you, some Jew Saul (Paul) created Christianity in order to subvert the West?

My God... .

What is so shocking, do you know who Paul is even?

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He took advantage of his status as both a Jew and a Roman citizen to minister to both Jewish and Roman audiences.

Haha, some things never change, the eternal dual citizen.

[Sp5]

(04-18-2019 03:39 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

"Wrote the book" is an idiomatic phrase.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/wrote+the+book+on

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To be well known for being extremely experienced in or knowledgeable about something; to be renowned as an expert in something; to know nearly everything about something.

Treating it like a declarative sentence and then listing a bunch of other people doing the same thing as a refutation is idiotic, and I know you aren't idiotic.

You are either deep in some sort of denial or playing dumb to gain an advantage.

This is just silly, and it is pointless to engage with you when you do this.

I'm more interested in substantive arguments than semantic ones, but I will explain my reasoning.

Unless someone actually wrote a book on something, using the phrase "wrote the book" about something is expressing an opinion.

Like all opinions, the factual bases can be questioned.

If I say Ted Williams "wrote the book on hitting" I'm on solid ground.
If I say some career .305 hitter "wrote the book on hitting" I'm on weaker ground.

In the case of subversion, you actually have Machiavelli writing a book about how to use subversion to enhance power. Then there are all the other examples of subversion I mentioned.

I guess if you count Jesus as a Jew despite Nomadbrah's objection, you have a good point - He was the ultimate subversive.

Anyways, there's nothing wrong with subversion per se, it's often necessary.

[911]

(04-16-2019 09:21 AM)Irenicus Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 06:23 PM)911 Wrote:  

The restriction on cellphone porn was actually enforced in Israel weeks before it was in the UK. In any case, the UK's position is very unique in the West, so it doesn't detract from my main point, it's a pretty minor sideshow in my main point establishing that the porn industry is mostly Jewish.

Nope, it's vice versa. Again, you want to discuss things you didn't research. Again, I did some homework for you.

From what I've gathered, the ISP's in the UK had, since 2012, filters blocking access to websites that provide pornographic content - likely due to pressure from their clients.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/i...onths.html

Those filters became mandatory on 27 April 2017, when the Digital Economy Act 2017 was passed. Link down below (you aren't going to read it, I know):

https://services.parliament.uk/bills/201...onomy.html

On the other hand, the Knesset passed a more liberal version of the bill in...January 2019. 2 years after the UK. That law requires the ISP to add filters to pornographic content only if the user asks for it. In UK...those filters are on by default. Here, a snippet of yet another article you will not read:

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The Knesset approved at a first (that means it became law) reading Tuesday a bill that will require internet service providers to offer their customers censorship of pornographic sites and ensure that a choice is made on the extent to which they wish to block pornographic content, if at all.

The legislation, sponsored by Likud MK Miki Zohar and Jewish Home MK Shuli Moalem-Refaeli, passed with 18 votes in favor and 12 against.

The bill has in the past faced heavy criticism from lawmakers over privacy concerns, among them Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. An earlier version of the bill that was unanimously approved by the Ministerial Committee for Legislation in late October required internet service providers to block pornographic content by default, and only lift site filtering at users’ request.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-ap...s-to-porn/

If you did a proper research (took me 10 minutes, I have timed it), you would have realized that South Korea has a similar law since 2007. You would have realized that anti pornography laws are also present in other Western countries such as Iceland, Latvia and Estonia. Not only that, but you claimed that Israel started to block pornography weeks before the UK implemented a similar law, despite the fact that the article you have provided did not mention such a thing. Not to mention that Israel was lagging two years behind the UK.

I am sorry, but you are either a liar (and you, as a supposedly "good" Catholic, are not supposed to lie) or not intelligent (like most of the Alt Right/Left) for such discussion. Unlike Leonard, as can be seen a page back.

Sp5 refuted your claim that the porn industry is mostly Jewish, so I won't discuss things that have already been discussed.

...

Please stop that projection trick of yours, it's tedious and it's insufferable. It's also out of line, you can't go around accusing people of lying just because they happen to establish uncomfortable truths that might have cut too near your bone...


The anti-porn law was passed in Israel weeks before it was passed in the UK. Regardless, this is practically a red herring, a side issue. And you know it. That's why you've used a wall of emotionally charged prose in a futile attempt to divert this debate, trying to establish the notion that Israelis suddenly learned not to subvert their people from England, or sidetracking into Gaza fertility rates.


The main issues here are that:

1- Jews are the primary vector for porn in the West.

2- This effort is not merely driven by financial motives, it has a strong motive of deliberate moral subversion of Christian mores.


You have, on one hand, a bunch of Jewish scholars, Jewish pioneer porn peddlers and Jewish porn moguls making statements on the record that unequivocally prove the two assertions above.

And then you have you, and Sp5, trying to deny this.

OK...

[LEMONed IScream]

Netanyahu goes to Congress, gives a speech to representatives elected by the American people, shits covertly on President Obama (like him or not, still had the office of the Presidency) and has both Republicans and Democrats giving him a standing ovation... And there are still doubts regarding the enormous Jewish influence in the West as a whole and the United States in particular?

Trump should go to the Knesset and shit on Bibi. See how that works out.

As for porn... well, there is definitely some Jewish presence in the field. But as usual, you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. If one spends hours watching pornography the fault is not on the Jews, it's on you!

[911]

That's easy to say, it's the same as with opiates, only the impulse to consume is stronger. Both will rewire the brains of those who acquire the dependency, especially with porn being consumed very early nowadays.

As well people are also a lot more vulnerable to both today, their social fabric having been torn away. Their church, their families and their ethnic support have all been eroded.

I guess it's also the same in terms of who the main players are for both dependencies, you have the Sacklers making billions off Americans and sending proceeds to their tribe...

[trickster]

^^ So if the Jew were expelled from the porn and drug trade, would anyone fill the vacuum?

[Easy_C]

Obviously Italians and Mexicans respectively.

[Once Was Not]

(04-18-2019 07:58 PM)911 Wrote:  

That's easy to say, it's the same as with opiates, only the impulse to consume is stronger. Both will rewire the brains of those who acquire the dependency, especially with porn being consumed very early nowadays.

If I could go back and tell 13 year old me to never go near porn and the mountain of problems doing so would cause me I'd do it in a heart beat. I had no idea what I was getting into and no one and nothing ever told me how damaging it would be. I knew all about the dangers of drugs and tobacco and alcohol, but not porn. I wish I had known...I used for many, many years thinking it was perfectly normal and healthy before finally coming across the horror of the truth...that my mind was being rewired to be aroused by pixels on a screen.

Even now I bet the vast majority of the general populace has no idea of the damaging effects.

[TigerMandingo]

The funny thing is I didn't even give a shit about Jews/Judaism/conspiracies up until about 10 years ago. I grew up in a nominally Jewish family (my father's side) but we were never religious. I did hear a lot of self-praising from certain family members but that was about it. Never attended a synagogue, seder, bar mitzvah etc. etc.

It wasn't until I was in my early 20s that I got into Jewish history. It was purely out of interest and curiousity of my own background. I remember reading Saul Friedlander's Holocaust, watching Schindler's List. Shit was depressing. Then I met my now ex-wife, who was a big reader, and she gave me a copy of a book called "Russophobia" by Igor Shafarevich (not sure if it's widely available). Anyway, that's when I opened my eyes and got confused, because I had no idea of Jew involvement in Communism and the suffering they brought to the people. From then on, I got my hands on anything related to "alternative" books/articles on Jewish history, anything from Kevin Macdonald to JJ Goldberg. You know that scene at the end of the Matrix where Neo wakes up from the dead and sees the code? That's how I felt like after doing research on the JQ.

Looking further in the media, I started noticing Jews everywhere. Some guys here would argue that Judaism is "evil" and stormfronters genuinely hate them. I don't. I just think they are annoying. They're everywhere. They have too many opinions and they are far too active (politically). You open a copy of WaPo or NyTimes and all you see are Jewish names. It's irritating. The other day Trump retweeted a video of some AIPAC guy complaining that Jews are "the most victimized minority in the US". Most victimized!. The wealthiest, most privileged ethnic group in America is the "most victimized". Jews have a an axe to grind with white culture. They can't just make their money, enjoy life, and relax. They always have to be activists. ANNOYING. And their opinions are often anti-white, anti-traditional culture and pro-Israel. You start thinking, "what the fuck is wrong with these people?" Why is it that, for example, Indian-americans are highly successful and educated and yet they don't insert themselves into every fucking topic, media organ, or university? This is my major gripe with them. And by the way, this extends to my personal dealings with Jewish people. They have a certain psychological intensity that is off-putting.

The reason I criticize Jews before other people is because you should always engage in self-reflection before focusing on others. Jews typically do not engage in any self-criticism, and so this is why antisemites must do it for them. Like Rambo says - they drew first blood.

[trickster]

(04-18-2019 11:18 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Looking further in the media, I started noticing Jews everywhere. Some guys here would argue that Judaism is "evil" and stormfronters genuinely hate them. I don't. I just think they are annoying. They're everywhere. They have too many opinions and they are far too active (politically). You open a copy of WaPo or NyTimes and all you see are Jewish names. It's irritating. The other day Trump retweeted a video of some AIPAC guy complaining that Jews are "the most victimized minority in the US". Most victimized!. The wealthiest, most privileged ethnic group in America is the "most victimized". Jews have a an axe to grind with white culture. They can't just make their money, enjoy life, and relax. They always have to be activists. ANNOYING. And their opinions are often anti-white, anti-traditional culture and pro-Israel. You start thinking, "what the fuck is wrong with these people?" Why is it that, for example, Indian-americans are highly successful and educated and yet they don't insert themselves into every fucking topic, media organ, or university? This is my major gripe with them. And by the way, this extends to my personal dealings with Jewish people. They have a certain psychological intensity that is off-putting.

The reason I criticize Jews before other people is because you should always engage in self-reflection before focusing on others. Jews typically do not engage in any self-criticism, and so this is why antisemites must do it for them. Like Rambo says - they drew first blood.

Break this down for me: when does an immigrant stop being ethnic and start being part of white culture? At what point did the Italian and Irish immigrants stop being a different ethnicity and start being part of white culture? And what about current white immigrants who are in America? And break this down for me: if the Jew isn't white, what color is he? Or are you conflating ethnicity with skin color?

I do agree with you that the Jew is seemingly everywhere in media, entertainment, and politics. They are certainly overly represented. But then, black people are overly represented in the NBA. Is that because black people are better at basketball or is it because they manipulated their way into the league? I personally don't know if the Jew is simply better than the White at writing screen plays or if the old boy Jew network got them there. Questions for smarter people.

[Kid Twist]

First, of all "jews" are "white".

Second of all, both "jews" and new world "blacks" were part of generational artificial selection, compounding already existing survival traits.

These facts explain a lot/answer most of your questions.

[911]

Ashkenazis are of Khazarian descent, they started out in central Asia, spread into Ukraine.



They are a Turkic tribe that spread into Slav land and mixed a bit with them, so borderline white. More recently, in 20th century western countries, there was more mixing with locals as cultures became more secular, that's why someone like say, Laura Simonsen (aka Southern) looks pretty white, she's half Scandinavian and half Khazarian.

A main feature is that as a tribe, they are very highly inbred, due to centuries of inbreeding in isolated settlements or shtetls, an inbreeding so pronounced that they have unique genetic diseases, and that you can recognize a large segment of them just by their physical features, which is a very unique feature among all races. You can rarely tell a Portuguese from an Italian, or identify say a Basque, a Swiss, or a Bulgarian just by looking at their facial features; that isn't the case for a large segment of Ashkenazi Jews.

[Aurini]

(04-19-2019 09:43 AM)trickster Wrote:  

(04-18-2019 11:18 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Looking further in the media, I started noticing Jews everywhere. Some guys here would argue that Judaism is "evil" and stormfronters genuinely hate them. I don't. I just think they are annoying. They're everywhere. They have too many opinions and they are far too active (politically). You open a copy of WaPo or NyTimes and all you see are Jewish names. It's irritating. The other day Trump retweeted a video of some AIPAC guy complaining that Jews are "the most victimized minority in the US". Most victimized!. The wealthiest, most privileged ethnic group in America is the "most victimized". Jews have a an axe to grind with white culture. They can't just make their money, enjoy life, and relax. They always have to be activists. ANNOYING. And their opinions are often anti-white, anti-traditional culture and pro-Israel. You start thinking, "what the fuck is wrong with these people?" Why is it that, for example, Indian-americans are highly successful and educated and yet they don't insert themselves into every fucking topic, media organ, or university? This is my major gripe with them. And by the way, this extends to my personal dealings with Jewish people. They have a certain psychological intensity that is off-putting.

The reason I criticize Jews before other people is because you should always engage in self-reflection before focusing on others. Jews typically do not engage in any self-criticism, and so this is why antisemites must do it for them. Like Rambo says - they drew first blood.

Break this down for me: when does an immigrant stop being ethnic and start being part of white culture? At what point did the Italian and Irish immigrants stop being a different ethnicity and start being part of white culture? And what about current white immigrants who are in America? And break this down for me: if the Jew isn't white, what color is he? Or are you conflating ethnicity with skin color?

I do agree with you that the Jew is seemingly everywhere in media, entertainment, and politics. They are certainly overly represented. But then, black people are overly represented in the NBA. Is that because black people are better at basketball or is it because they manipulated their way into the league? I personally don't know if the Jew is simply better than the White at writing screen plays or if the old boy Jew network got them there. Questions for smarter people.

"White" and "Black" are just labels, based off of the most prominent variation in features. Getting a tan doesn't make a White person Black, and being born an albino doesn't make a Black person White. Even if Whites and Blacks had the same skin tone, our other differences - temperament alone, let alone body morphology - would still identify us as separate races to the layman. You're mistaking the label for the thing it's labelling - it's the equivalent of thinking that the Goth subculture must embrace the social mores of an ancient Germanic tribe.

So at what point do different ethnicities become one? When the majority of their population stops noticing the major differences, and they embrace a common culture. It's the point where they treat one-another as cousins and not strangers. My best friend is Irish, and I'm Italian; this leads to the occasional joke, but at our cores we're White, Canadian Catholics.

The issue with Jews is not whether or not they're caucasoid, or if they share a particular haplo group; the issue is that they hold themselves apart and distinct, they take advantage of their white skin to blend in with the Whites - receiving the advantages of being treated like a cousin - but they don't reciprocate the treatment, not only treating us like foreigners, but like foreigners who deserve to be exploited.

Let's say you were classifying forests, and initially you were breaking them down into coniferous and deciduous. Seems pretty straightforward. Then one day you notice that there's a particular breed of coniferous tree that's behaving as an invasive species whenever its seeds land in a pre-existing coniferous forest; maybe it shoots up fast and spreads out far, choking out the saplings of the native conifers. All of a sudden your 'coniferous vs deciduous' classification is no longer sufficient. It's the same thing here.

[Easy_C]

There's been another interesting defection. Jan Irving (the guy who supposedly dug up the connections between the CIA and the "psychadelic revolution) suddenly put out a series ripping into Islam (mostly correct content) and another one defending Talmud/Torah at length at right about the same time he started attacking a lot of the people he had interviewed previously. He's also suddenly trying to pretend his earlier research into Sabbatai Zevvi never happened.

[Lampwick]

With regard to some Jews and their business practices, I think the problem has three components:

1. Making money in and of itself is broadly seen as moral in Jewish culture/religious tradition.
2. In the Jewish community, a distinction isn't typically drawn between value-producing activity (businesses that offer valuable goods and services to the economy) and rent-seeking activity (businesses that only extract value from the economy).
3. Jews often don't give much weight to the negative externalities of rent-seeking activity if the impact falls mainly on non-Jews.

So, you tend to have a lot of Jews making money through rent-seeking activities (legal loan sharking, slumlording, fraud, financial games, porn, etc.). Are there non-Jews who also engage in such activity? Of course, lots of them. But their behavior isn't necessarily reinforced and encouraged by their respective communities.

This article from a Jewish publication summarizes this point very nicely:

When the Slumlords Are Us

In short, slumlords and other unethical business owners reinforce Jewish stereotypes, but they are not ostracized by their community. The exception seems to be if their victims happen to be Jews (Madoff is one example in the article).

Now some people take it one step further and get into the more conspiratorial side that Jews run the world, are trying to poison white society, etc. For me personally, that stuff gets into crackpot territory pretty quickly, and I find it hard to take it seriously. But the above observation of Jews' attitude towards business I think is pretty matter of fact. The annoying thing is that simply pointing it out gets you lumped into the anti-semite camp very easily. Even though the observation often arises from personal experiences in dealing with some Jews, as the article states.

[debeguiled]

(04-19-2019 02:25 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

There's been another interesting defection. Jan Irving (the guy who supposedly dug up the connections between the CIA and the "psychadelic revolution) suddenly put out a series ripping into Islam (mostly correct content) and another one defending Talmud/Torah at length at right about the same time he started attacking a lot of the people he had interviewed previously. He's also suddenly trying to pretend his earlier research into Sabbatai Zevvi never happened.

Never trusted him and his old timey announcer voice and fake laugh.

Sounds like he is talking into an empty glass.

[Chetthebaker]

That article above seems pretty self reflective and critical.

[catoblepa]

When it comes to things like chess or nobel prizes, Jews are successful because they are smarter and value education more than Gentiles. When it comes to things like representation in media or finance, it goes beyond personal merit and a substantial part of their success is based on their strong social networking. Only mormons have a comparable in-group cohesion but you need to be a practicing one while Jews can be secular and still benefit from their ethnic affiliation.

[Kona]

The sun is setting.... It's Passover!!!!!

Aloha!

[Kid Twist]

(04-19-2019 02:29 PM)Lampwick Wrote:  

With regard to some Jews and their business practices, I think the problem has three components:

1. Making money in and of itself is broadly seen as moral in Jewish culture/religious tradition.
2. In the Jewish community, a distinction isn't typically drawn between value-producing activity (businesses that offer valuable goods and services to the economy) and rent-seeking activity (businesses that only extract value from the economy).
3. Jews often don't give much weight to the negative externalities of rent-seeking activity if the impact falls mainly on non-Jews.

So, you tend to have a lot of Jews making money through rent-seeking activities (legal loan sharking, slumlording, fraud, financial games, porn, etc.). Are there non-Jews who also engage in such activity? Of course, lots of them. But their behavior isn't necessarily reinforced and encouraged by their respective communities.

This article from a Jewish publication summarizes this point very nicely:

When the Slumlords Are Us

In short, slumlords and other unethical business owners reinforce Jewish stereotypes, but they are not ostracized by their community. The exception seems to be if their victims happen to be Jews (Madoff is one example in the article).

Now some people take it one step further and get into the more conspiratorial side that Jews run the world, are trying to poison white society, etc. For me personally, that stuff gets into crackpot territory pretty quickly, and I find it hard to take it seriously. But the above observation of Jews' attitude towards business I think is pretty matter of fact. The annoying thing is that simply pointing it out gets you lumped into the anti-semite camp very easily. Even though the observation often arises from personal experiences in dealing with some Jews, as the article states.

The rule of TigerMandingo applies as addendum to this well written post. While every "ethnic" group is going to have a hard time with self criticism or introspection, "jews" probably have the hardest time or are least likely to do so. For myriad reasons. He points out that that is why other groups do it (criticize them), and the cycle begins.

[trickster]

(04-19-2019 11:17 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

First, of all "jews" are "white".

Second of all, both "jews" and new world "blacks" were part of generational artificial selection, compounding already existing survival traits.

These facts explain a lot/answer most of your questions.

The down thread replies disagree with this assertion. There is debate on the issue. If the Jew isn't white or black or brown, then what is he? An intelligent poster just claimed he was a white Canandian Catholic. So skin color must matter and be an indentifier. But if the Jew isn't white, what is he? He looks white quite a lot of the time. Maybe the Jew is the only person without a skin color. A translucent fellow.

[TigerMandingo]

Whether or not they’re white is irrelevant; their malicious influence is.

[NoMoreTO]

(04-19-2019 01:16 PM)911 Wrote:  

Ashkenazis are of Khazarian descent, they started out in central Asia, spread into Ukraine.



They are a Turkic tribe that spread into Slav land and mixed a bit with them, so borderline white....

So how did they get way up there? They were exiled out of Israel by the muslims?

Or is there just no connection to Old testament Jews geographically, and they were just always from there and took on the religion somehow?

[Leonard D Neubache]

(04-19-2019 02:29 PM)Lampwick Wrote:  

...
Now some people take it one step further and get into the more conspiratorial side that Jews run the world, are trying to poison white society, etc. For me personally, that stuff gets into crackpot territory pretty quickly, and I find it hard to take it seriously. But the above observation of Jews' attitude towards business I think is pretty matter of fact. The annoying thing is that simply pointing it out gets you lumped into the anti-semite camp very easily. Even though the observation often arises from personal experiences in dealing with some Jews, as the article states.

"...some people take it one step further and get into the more conspiratorial side that Jews run the world..."

"...the above observation of Jews' attitude towards business I think is pretty matter of fact. The annoying thing is that simply pointing it out gets you lumped into the anti-semite camp very easily..."