[getdownonit]

(05-14-2018 06:39 PM)Tiger Man Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 06:16 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

I get a little tired of this conversation because nobody is discussing the core issue.

Nothing has changed about behavior...nothing.

What has changed is that Feminist activists have very successfully subverted the legal system.

They have "re-defined" the legal definition of rape away from it's historic norms. They did this intentionally, with explicitly dishonest and illegal methods. And they succeeded. They simply changed what "rape" is, and then used the media to pound this lie into the minds of the public and all the lawmakers.

20 years ago, NOBODY would have agreed that a girl who gets drunk and has sex was raped. NOBODY would have convicted Bill Cosby for rape. Because rape required an element of force or some type of fraud. if you drugged a girl, it was rape. If she took the drugs willingly, it was NOT rape. False rape accusations were understood to be an everyday occurrence and the police very quickly kicked those assholes out of the station.

There was a clear concept of consent.

That is now gone. Rape is now "whatever the girl feels". What is truly frightening is that nobody...not men, not judges, not legal scholars...have gone to the source of this perversion. The legal system have been completely twisted by a small group and we just let them do it.

Every single time you debate rape without bringing up this issue of re-definition, you are wasting time. And you are allowing this country to slide further into a police state. Because this is exactly what police states do. They randomly re-define laws, and jail people, based on the whims of the latest political fad.

But don't the redefinitions, in the way they are applied to the public, cause a change in behavior?

We redefined marriage from an indissoluble union between a man and a woman to a weak contract between whoever wants to sign a piece of paper. The result, after several years, is a monumental drop in marriage rates.

We redefined rape (which yes, we absolutely did), and now we have entire threads on this forum dedicated to "Should I record all of my sexual conquests?". A few weeks ago, I was telling another forum member to consider a sexual consent waiver.

I don't disagree with your point on redefinition. I totally agree on that point. And, I think you are right in that we do not discuss this enough. But I also think that all of this is, slowly but surely, moving the behavior of people in line with the laws. That is the end goal of the true believers and a disastrous outcome for the overwhelming majority of (normal) people.

Of course there is a reaction to this legal redefinition, but that comes after. MrLemon pointed out that what changed was not human behavior, but the law.

Now, people are realizing how ridiculous the law is and are changing their behavior as a response.

The post above by Kamoz is a good illustration of how this manifests in society.

[estraudi]

This thread and the other one about that football coach catching sex assault heat after 20 years lands on a good vein of discussion that dies down after we arrive at " changing the laws".

Truth is unless you are able to whisper in a prosecutor or judges ear as to the true motives of this feminist redefining of "rape" & consent and to move forward tossing out cases based on real rape or false rape, then we are all just going to have to adjust our behavior, societally, that is the intended effect desired by law officials and their court appointed therapists. Some therapists even go and give input in front of state legislatures about what "needs to be done" to restore our society "back to healthy forms of behavior". That's the route they're taking. The route of healthy behavior.
And what are two things Americans hate? To be told how to be and what to do.
The backlash is perhaps right around the corner.... Time will tell.

[questor70]

(05-15-2018 11:44 AM)estraudi Wrote:  

Some therapists even go and give input in front of state legislatures about what "needs to be done" to restore our society "back to healthy forms of behavior".

I wonder sometimes what the end state becomes when male sexual agency is demonized to the point where men completely stop initiating (including the top 20%).

I know there's an inherent double-standard here, that women still want men to approach, only for men to somehow magically preselect themselves to the point of Minority Report clairvoyance as to know ahead of time that the woman will comply.

I really think for all the rape talk that it all boils down to women wanting to be less inconvenienced by having to push away unwanted interest. This is the social workload of being a woman just as much as being rejected is to men. So if there's a way to reduce the cognitive load of having to reject 80+% of all approaches they'll do it.

[Easy_C]

(05-15-2018 06:08 AM)nola Wrote:  

(05-15-2018 05:23 AM)asdfk Wrote:  

You can convince women to enter an open relationship with you quite easily. You just have to put the hamster in the right wheel and they do the rest themselves.

The current trends will push more women into the hands of guys who know how to do this.

In terms of an arms race between single men to develop these skills, it will be winner takes all in the new future.

But....

I'd rather hunt for a sane unicorn while I'm still young then maintain a hamster harem.

I'm currently in a situation like this but I'm having trouble finding a 2nd as she wants to also share the girls.

Had a friend who was in to that, and there's a thread here with some advice that seemed great. Never was much into swinging myself but I'd imagine you can find threesomes relatively easily with all the tech tools out there. The most I used to run into freaky girls who were looking for threesomes were at Techno clubs. For example, me and my wing at the time got blown out of one set because we indicated that we were NOT willing to run a train on the girls we were talking to.

[estraudi]

(05-15-2018 12:28 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(05-15-2018 11:44 AM)estraudi Wrote:  

Some therapists even go and give input in front of state legislatures about what "needs to be done" to restore our society "back to healthy forms of behavior".

I wonder sometimes what the end state becomes when male sexual agency is demonized to the point where men completely stop initiating (including the top 20%).

Well I think if they scare off all the men because they will have outlawed all basic sexual encounters and everything else, then I suspect that they will make legal, the forcing together of men and women, against our will.

Talk about social engineering.

[nola]

(05-15-2018 12:29 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(05-15-2018 06:08 AM)nola Wrote:  

(05-15-2018 05:23 AM)asdfk Wrote:  

You can convince women to enter an open relationship with you quite easily. You just have to put the hamster in the right wheel and they do the rest themselves.

The current trends will push more women into the hands of guys who know how to do this.

In terms of an arms race between single men to develop these skills, it will be winner takes all in the new future.

But....

I'd rather hunt for a sane unicorn while I'm still young then maintain a hamster harem.

I'm currently in a situation like this but I'm having trouble finding a 2nd as she wants to also share the girls.

Had a friend who was in to that, and there's a thread here with some advice that seemed great. Never was much into swinging myself but I'd imagine you can find threesomes relatively easily with all the tech tools out there. The most I used to run into freaky girls who were looking for threesomes were at Techno clubs. For example, me and my wing at the time got blown out of one set because we indicated that we were NOT willing to run a train on the girls we were talking to.

#TrollingTechnoClubs for Threesomes

I'm not in a swinger situation, it's my understanding swinging is couples swapping mates.

My current here is wanting for me to acquire single girls her and I can fuck with together and act like a big happy family in the same bed. Makes me feel like I'm playing some Charles Manson game and don't really realize it yet. I might have entered the dark triad.

Back to the thread so not to derail it. This is a very real thing and very dangerous for guys in the center of the countries embracing the #MeToo movement... https://metoo.center/Main_Page

I'd be filming all my interactions with women back in the west and archiving text. Many of these claims are becoming public trial by fire based on hearsay.

As my father would lecture me on as a kid. A dismissed charge or acquittal does not matter if the charge is substantial enough. To put it simply a dismissed rape or sexual assault charge will do just as much damage as a conviction.

Even in EE I'll send sex related text just to bait for a text back for my archives to be able to prove an interaction was consensual. That way if she gets disgruntle later because I flake or ghost I don't have to worry much.

There is a little game that is played in Moldova and I've heard of this happening in Ukraine and Russia where you could engage in consensual sex with a girl only to be met a day or two later by a cop saying you raped her to extort you for cash. No proof needed.

This topic needs to be taken very seriously.

[Bluto]

(05-14-2018 07:15 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

I saw the trailer for this upcoming movie about Mr Rogers and thought this is propaganda trying to make low-T effeminate guys some type of role model for (white) men.

With terms like “toxic masculinity” and trying to model homosexual mannerisms on straight men, there is a clear agenda here.

Anyone boy over the age of six who did not know that Mr. Rogers portrayed an effeminate fag deserves to become a eunuch. If I saw him on TV it was time for me to turn the channel to "Voltron," or "HeMan."

[MrLemon]

(05-15-2018 05:08 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 06:16 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

I get a little tired of this conversation because nobody is discussing the core issue.

Nothing has changed about behavior...nothing.

What has changed is that Feminist activists have very successfully subverted the legal system.

They have "re-defined" the legal definition of rape away from it's historic norms. They did this intentionally, with explicitly dishonest and illegal methods. And they succeeded. They simply changed what "rape" is, and then used the media to pound this lie into the minds of the public and all the lawmakers.

20 years ago, NOBODY would have agreed that a girl who gets drunk and has sex was raped. NOBODY would have convicted Bill Cosby for rape. Because rape required an element of force or some type of fraud. if you drugged a girl, it was rape. If she took the drugs willingly, it was NOT rape. False rape accusations were understood to be an everyday occurrence and the police very quickly kicked those assholes out of the station.

There was a clear concept of consent.

That is now gone. Rape is now "whatever the girl feels". What is truly frightening is that nobody...not men, not judges, not legal scholars...have gone to the source of this perversion. The legal system have been completely twisted by a small group and we just let them do it.

Every single time you debate rape without bringing up this issue of re-definition, you are wasting time. And you are allowing this country to slide further into a police state. Because this is exactly what police states do. They randomly re-define laws, and jail people, based on the whims of the latest political fad.

It'll be a tough sell on this forum, but a big factor is this equation on why this got virtually no pushback is that frankly society doesn't give much of a shit about bachelors. "Not fair" perhaps, but forget society, nature is not fair.

Men are hardwired to protect women, who are invariably the daughters of older members of the society. Women are hardwired to protect themselves and their own children, but that peters out long before "junior's sex life" come into play because as far as Mum is concerned junior should find a nice girl instead of fucking around.

The reality is that nobody cares about the bachelor any more than the herd of elephants cares about the rogue bull elephant that goes it alone.

Consider. Some guy has a wife and kids, and parents that are beginning to fail in terms of their health, or his kids are getting older and he has to help them out a bit more with money or housing or a job or a car or they're older still and he's dealing with grandkids, etc. He's busy creating an umbrella for his tribe in the increasing downpour of troubles in our declining society.

Ask him how much he really gives a shit that Johnny bachelor doesn't feel safe to fuck drunk sluts anymore.

Now you might say "well wasn't he Johnny bachelor once?" "Isn't his son(s) going to become Johnny bachelor?"

Well I can tell you as a father what I'm going to tell my sons. If you want to sow your wild oats then take "wild" to mean "offshore". Beyond that find yourself a good woman and get out of the game early. If you find the need to slum around locally then you roll the dice and take your chances, but the world doesn't owe you easy and safe access to sluts. In historic terms that option has existed for the blink of an eye and it's already slipping away, perhaps never to return for another thousand years.

You wanted to enjoy the decline.

Well all declines end somewhere.

Complaining about this fact as though safe and easy access to sluts is a God given right is frankly just a bit bizarre. 100 years ago you had to worry about a pissed off dad marching you down the aisle with a shotgun pressed to your back. Today you get to worry about a knock on the door from the plod.

Tomayto tomaato.

Well said. I always appreciate your thoughts on these matters.

The problem in my view is that young boys can't even get married. They have sex with their girlfriend, maybe they even love her, and they get sent to jail with rapists and are hit with a felony charge that strips them of their civil rights for the rest of their lives.

You say "find a good woman and get out of the game early" -- sure I'm telling my kids the same thing. But they can't. It's no longer available to them. The basic urge to mate, present in all mammals, has now been criminalized by Feminism.

And yeah, prosecutors are more than happy to crush the life of a young boy. So much easier than prosecuting real criminals.

I don't know about Australia or Canada, but here in the states, the police and courts are insanely out of control. Democrat, Republican, it doesnt matter. No hetero male is safe. Ever. Unless he is off grid, and so how does he get married then?

[bgbusiness]

(05-14-2018 03:31 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 03:01 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

Its the "Failing New York Times". Be sure to call them by their proper name.

Except it's not failing. If Trump wanted the NYT to fail, he'd stop talking about them.

Trumps talks about NYT, NYT talks about Trump in exchange.
Are they both benefitting? I would think so.
To do real estate, you need publicity, people need to know you. Its marketing and Trump is a fucking genius at that.

[jeffreyjerpp]

[quote] (05-15-2018 02:47 PM)nola Wrote:  

[quote='Easy_C' pid='1784035' dateline='1526405381']
[quote='nola' pid='1783873' dateline='1526382497']
[quote='asdfk' pid='1783859' dateline='1526379782']


I'd be filming all my interactions with women back in the west and archiving text. Many of these claims are becoming public trial by fire based on hearsay.

As my father would lecture me on as a kid. A dismissed charge or acquittal does not matter if the charge is substantial enough. To put it simply a dismissed rape or sexual assault charge will do just as much damage as a conviction.

Even in EE I'll send sex related text just to bait for a text back for my archives to be able to prove an interaction was consensual. That way if she gets disgruntle later because I flake or ghost I don't have to worry much.

There is a little game that is played in Moldova and I've heard of this happening in Ukraine and Russia where you could engage in consensual sex with a girl only to be met a day or two later by a cop saying you raped her to extort you for cash. No proof needed.

This topic needs to be taken very seriously.[/quote]

In every state in the US (that I know of) video recording someone naked without their consent is a major, major felony. The solution for "safe" sex is therefore audio recording, which in most states is legal as long as one person in the conversation knows it is happening.

I had a few girls I considered risks, and I would ask them absurd questions while the audio was rolling to get #MeToo insurance. For example:

"Man, that was so hot when you did (insert something she did during sex, wait for her reply). Say, did anyone ever pronounce your name funny, like (purposely mispronounce her name)?"

^Now I have her agreeing the sex was hot, and stating her name for the record. Boom.

The harpies are proactive, creative, and bold. Why can't we be, too??

[Buck Wild]

(05-16-2018 10:04 AM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  

[quote] (05-15-2018 02:47 PM)nola Wrote:  

[quote='nola' pid='1783873' dateline='1526382497']
[quote='asdfk' pid='1783859' dateline='1526379782']


I'd be filming all my interactions with women back in the west and archiving text. Many of these claims are becoming public trial by fire based on hearsay.

As my father would lecture me on as a kid. A dismissed charge or acquittal does not matter if the charge is substantial enough. To put it simply a dismissed rape or sexual assault charge will do just as much damage as a conviction.

Even in EE I'll send sex related text just to bait for a text back for my archives to be able to prove an interaction was consensual. That way if she gets disgruntle later because I flake or ghost I don't have to worry much.

There is a little game that is played in Moldova and I've heard of this happening in Ukraine and Russia where you could engage in consensual sex with a girl only to be met a day or two later by a cop saying you raped her to extort you for cash. No proof needed.

This topic needs to be taken very seriously.

In every state in the US (that I know of) video recording someone naked without their consent is a major, major felony. The solution for "safe" sex is therefore audio recording, which in most states is legal as long as one person in the conversation knows it is happening.

I had a few girls I considered risks, and I would ask them absurd questions while the audio was rolling to get #MeToo insurance. For example:

"Man, that was so hot when you did (insert something she did during sex, wait for her reply). Say, did anyone ever pronounce your name funny, like (purposely mispronounce her name)?"

^Now I have her agreeing the sex was hot, and stating her name for the record. Boom.

The harpies are proactive, creative, and bold. Why can't we be, too??

I've said this a few times on this forum and I guess it bears repeating now: recordings, of any type, whether audio or video, are no insurance against #MeToo. A woman could simply accuse you of an incident that never took place. How are you gonna record that?

Now I'm not saying don't record anything. I'm just saying don't fool yourself into thinking you've eliminated the risk. The simple fact is that you don't actually have to rape or assault anyone to be considered a rapist or a predator these days. That's the world we live in and it's going to stay that way as long as guys keep playing retreating and playing defense thinking stuff like consent forms and recordings are going to provide "insurance".

No, there's only one solution. We all know what it is. The only question is when/where it will come about.

[jeffreyjerpp]

(05-16-2018 10:46 AM)Buck Wild Wrote:  

I've said this a few times on this forum and I guess it bears repeating now: recordings, of any type, whether audio or video, are no insurance against #MeToo. A woman could simply accuse you of an incident that never took place. How are you gonna record that?

This is ridiculous. They are excellent insurance, especially if you know how to use them.

Step 1: Maladjusted girl makes false accusation.
Step 2: Either you (or someone else, ideally) presses her for additional details. Time, place, etc. Without realizing it, she is digging her own grave.
Step 3: You produce a recording which totally contradicts her, and equally importantly shows her having an enjoyable sexual encounter with you.

If the girl has twisted an actual event into something it was not, you are safe. If she fabricates an event from nothing, that will be easy to prove too (unless it is a workplace harassment claim, which are extremely difficult to defend against). You can use your own electronic footprint (credit cards, uber receipts, internet history, etc) to prove your whereabouts, and if necessary sue to get that information from her.

Regardless, in what scenario would you rather not have a recording available?? Would you rather not have a sword, becuase your opponent might have a sword and a shield?

Also, how eager is any prosecutor going to be to file charges or make an arrest if this kind of evidence exists? Probably way less than they might otherwise be, given how it might look to a jury.

Spend $1 and a few seconds hitting the "record" button on a phone app now, or join the list of #MeToo victims later. Not a hard choice.

[Philosopher]

(05-14-2018 02:40 PM)kamoz Wrote:  

What is currently happening in the sexual marketplace is not sustainable. As much as the ROK articles and some of us on this forum believe things will only get worse, such as the top 10% of men shrinking to the top 5% - it can’t without society giving in one way or another.

The only way things could truly get worse is if western women accept polygamy - and I think it’s safe to say they won’t. They’re too arrogant to do so and for the time being they are expecting the best men to commit only to them. We’re seeing a growing number of articles from single childless women in their 30s and 40s openly admit they were wrong. They should have settled and stopped leveling up. Younger girls see this, i.e. gen Z. Most men have realized working in a cubicle for life sucks and have been breaking free. Women are just lagging behind and will follow the lead of men.

Same goes for #metoo. Men are not going to take a chance with a one night stand with some girl leagues below them when it might ruin their lives. The current sexual market place is largely dependent on that - men that are leagues above 4s 5s and 6s just wanting a nut for sexual variety or because they’re bored and don’t have anything better that night, and these girls thinking that just because the guy fucked them that he’s willing to marry them. I’m sure one night stands are dropping on average or the cutoff for many men is being raised, and the girls are feeling it.

My worry is not that women will change their behavior to adapt to this open hypergamy trend but that beta males will. How much of the male population will be able to learn Game in order to adapt and not become incels? If we follow the Pretor principle, we now have 20% of men fucking 80% of women. If at best another 20% learn game, you will still have the remaining 60% competing for the scraps of 20%. When the 60% remaining Beta males get into middle age with no prospect for starting a family- would expect more shootings/terrorism/rioting/raping to occur. I do not see how the elites could survive or the state in this situation. If the state does survive, it will have to become even more repressive with criminalization of approaches and of course internet censorship. If the state does not survive, it will be something akin to the Bronze Age Collapse of the Fall of the Western roman empire where without betas to be the taxpayers/dupes to hold up the system, it will devolve into much more regional-local politics with farming becoming something that the majority of the population would have to relearn.

[DarkTriad]

(05-15-2018 05:23 PM)Bluto Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 07:15 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

I saw the trailer for this upcoming movie about Mr Rogers and thought this is propaganda trying to make low-T effeminate guys some type of role model for (white) men.

With terms like “toxic masculinity” and trying to model homosexual mannerisms on straight men, there is a clear agenda here.

Anyone boy over the age of six who did not know that Mr. Rogers portrayed an effeminate fag deserves to become a eunuch. If I saw him on TV it was time for me to turn the channel to "Voltron," or "HeMan."

Am I the only guy that's going to stand up for Mr. Rogers? He was a man of God, he didn't have to be He Man. Was married for 40 years to the same woman, just a solid dude trying to spread the word of God and God's love in a non denominational, non preachy way.

[DarkTriad]

(05-27-2018 09:52 PM)Philosopher Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 02:40 PM)kamoz Wrote:  

What is currently happening in the sexual marketplace is not sustainable. As much as the ROK articles and some of us on this forum believe things will only get worse, such as the top 10% of men shrinking to the top 5% - it can’t without society giving in one way or another.

The only way things could truly get worse is if western women accept polygamy - and I think it’s safe to say they won’t. They’re too arrogant to do so and for the time being they are expecting the best men to commit only to them. We’re seeing a growing number of articles from single childless women in their 30s and 40s openly admit they were wrong. They should have settled and stopped leveling up. Younger girls see this, i.e. gen Z. Most men have realized working in a cubicle for life sucks and have been breaking free. Women are just lagging behind and will follow the lead of men.

Same goes for #metoo. Men are not going to take a chance with a one night stand with some girl leagues below them when it might ruin their lives. The current sexual market place is largely dependent on that - men that are leagues above 4s 5s and 6s just wanting a nut for sexual variety or because they’re bored and don’t have anything better that night, and these girls thinking that just because the guy fucked them that he’s willing to marry them. I’m sure one night stands are dropping on average or the cutoff for many men is being raised, and the girls are feeling it.

My worry is not that women will change their behavior to adapt to this open hypergamy trend but that beta males will. How much of the male population will be able to learn Game in order to adapt and not become incels? If we follow the Pretor principle, we now have 20% of men fucking 80% of women. If at best another 20% learn game, you will still have the remaining 60% competing for the scraps of 20%. When the 60% remaining Beta males get into middle age with no prospect for starting a family- would expect more shootings/terrorism/rioting/raping to occur. I do not see how the elites could survive or the state in this situation. If the state does survive, it will have to become even more repressive with criminalization of approaches and of course internet censorship. If the state does not survive, it will be something akin to the Bronze Age Collapse of the Fall of the Western roman empire where without betas to be the taxpayers/dupes to hold up the system, it will devolve into much more regional-local politics with farming becoming something that the majority of the population would have to relearn.

If you have young teenage sons, it's scary the stuff they're being indoctrinated with in school. They're being taught to ACCEPT that women won't like them in a really messed up way. Self improvement is actually discouraged. It's like they're trying to build a generation of sexless serfs that ACCEPT that the're there to soley support the lifestyles/poor decisions of women and a few elites.

[bgbusiness]

(05-27-2018 09:52 PM)Philosopher Wrote:  

My worry is not that women will change their behavior to adapt to this open hypergamy trend but that beta males will. How much of the male population will be able to learn Game in order to adapt and not become incels? If we follow the Pretor principle, we now have 20% of men fucking 80% of women. If at best another 20% learn game, you will still have the remaining 60% competing for the scraps of 20%. When the 60% remaining Beta males get into middle age with no prospect for starting a family- would expect more shootings/terrorism/rioting/raping to occur. I do not see how the elites could survive or the state in this situation. If the state does survive, it will have to become even more repressive with criminalization of approaches and of course internet censorship. If the state does not survive, it will be something akin to the Bronze Age Collapse of the Fall of the Western roman empire where without betas to be the taxpayers/dupes to hold up the system, it will devolve into much more regional-local politics with farming becoming something that the majority of the population would have to relearn.

I completely agree.

Learning game is not the final solution. Man becoming better man in terms of finance, looks, intelligence is not the answer, the standards of woman will increase as man become better...

It's just really putting on a temporary bandage on clinical illness of a person.

The root cause of all of this gender dynamic is due to the fact that people are not understanding that man and woman are different.

The modern feminists, #metoo movement, MGTOW, RedPill movement all need to come together to build strong boundaries and establish rules that can be used without bias, manipulation and corruption.

[Delta]

(05-15-2018 10:55 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

The problem in my view is that young boys can't even get married. They have sex with their girlfriend, maybe they even love her, and they get sent to jail with rapists and are hit with a felony charge that strips them of their civil rights for the rest of their lives.

You say "find a good woman and get out of the game early" -- sure I'm telling my kids the same thing. But they can't. It's no longer available to them. The basic urge to mate, present in all mammals, has now been criminalized by Feminism.

And yeah, prosecutors are more than happy to crush the life of a young boy. So much easier than prosecuting real criminals.

I don't know about Australia or Canada, but here in the states, the police and courts are insanely out of control. Democrat, Republican, it doesnt matter. No hetero male is safe. Ever. Unless he is off grid, and so how does he get married then?

Good god man, you're wayyyy carried away with paranoia.

If your approach to game is "find a good woman and get out" then your risk of facing a false rape accusation is virtually nonexistent. If you're looking for a good wife, then you're not bringing home wasted club hoes, you're not pushing hard for first date bangs, you're not fucking psychotic bitches (unless you're a terrible judge of character), and your overall notch count is fairly low... why the fuck would you be worried about a false rape accusation? Your riskiest behavior is banging a girl on the third date who seems like a totally decent human being. That is not going to cause you any issues 99.9999% of the time.

If you really feel that it's impossible to hunt for a wife without living in constant fear of the false rape boogeyman, then you need to take a break from the Internet and get some fresh air.

[BlueResolute]

(05-27-2018 11:05 PM)bgbusiness Wrote:  

The modern feminists, #metoo movement, MGTOW, RedPill movement all need to come together to build strong boundaries and establish rules that can be used without bias, manipulation and corruption.

Never will happen. I cannot imagine a world where feminists and mgtow/ redpill will come together. The reasoning is simply mental. Feminists do not like truth. That is the point of the masculine/ redpill movement. We try to use logic in any debate we have done over the last three years of this hyper feminism, and the result is these feminists hearing what they wish to hear. Reframing questions, never answering questions, viewing the world differently, never listening. My God, they never listen.

It cannot help cause it is unable to happen, as much as we want it to. I would very much like all women to understand their place in the world and us as men to take responsibility with leading said women who submit to us. But we're in a strong independent woman culture now. I do have an anecdote. In my sexual life so far, the liberal women I've been with have been very submissive. Despite holding this very superiority and independent air they put on in public. Which is why I say, which I explained in another thread, that feminism is just one giant shittest.

[Teedub]

(05-14-2018 02:40 PM)kamoz Wrote:  

What is currently happening in the sexual marketplace is not sustainable. As much as the ROK articles and some of us on this forum believe things will only get worse, such as the top 10% of men shrinking to the top 5% - it can’t without society giving in one way or another.

The only way things could truly get worse is if western women accept polygamy - and I think it’s safe to say they won’t. They’re too arrogant to do so and for the time being they are expecting the best men to commit only to them. We’re seeing a growing number of articles from single childless women in their 30s and 40s openly admit they were wrong. They should have settled and stopped leveling up. Younger girls see this, i.e. gen Z. Most men have realized working in a cubicle for life sucks and have been breaking free. Women are just lagging behind and will follow the lead of men.

Same goes for #metoo. Men are not going to take a chance with a one night stand with some girl leagues below them when it might ruin their lives. The current sexual market place is largely dependent on that - men that are leagues above 4s 5s and 6s just wanting a nut for sexual variety or because they’re bored and don’t have anything better that night, and these girls thinking that just because the guy fucked them that he’s willing to marry them. I’m sure one night stands are dropping on average or the cutoff for many men is being raised, and the girls are feeling it.

I often, genuinely, wonder at what nights out are like for current university students. Do they have consent conversations in nightclubs or in taxis back to his/her place? Is everyone just on a smartphone all the time and not even trying to chat anyone up? I came of age when the internet was still msn chat, and a preview snippet of 'The Real Slim Shady' took an hour to download from LimeWire, on dial-up internet. "Hi mate, you can't call my house phone as I'm on the internet" was a frequent text message.

I see my 14 year old step brother constantly plugged in, playing Fortnite all evening, no interest in going out and seeing birds (girls - not winged animals)... he's perfectly happy although I pity him for his forthcoming years. I genuinely wonder about the future of sexual/romantic relationships, as the teenagers I see now don't really seem interested. Well, the boys at least. Maybe I'm being over dramatic and once he's 16-17 he'll be slaying it, he's not a bad looking lad. More likely he'll just bash one out to Facialabuse and then log back on to Fortnight. I've forgotten my original point.

Edit: after reading one of the posts above this one, I thought I'd add — said step brother has, previously, described my stories of picking up girls as "creepy". They're being indoctrinated at schools on a daily basis. One can get rid of this, as I was brainwashed to love multiculturalism, and now I'm a Tommy Robinson advocate, but it's still worrying.

(05-14-2018 05:24 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

snip

I love that you're an insider with info on how the media operates, you're a voice of reason to be taken very seriously. No offence to you, with it being your former profession, but I fucking despise the mainstream media.

[Teedub]

(05-28-2018 01:03 AM)BlueResolute Wrote:  

Which is why I say, which I explained in another thread, that feminism is just one giant shit test.

Indeed.

[SeaFM]

(05-14-2018 02:52 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Too late my friend they already have. "Polyamoury" is simply just polygamy for women. It is becoming more popular now and is infiltrating the mainstream. This set up is common for broken women who can't bring enough to the table to have a well-rounded relationship with one man. Instead, they are the P0rno Debbie for the alpha who just wants to hit it, they have the beta simp in tow who they can be in shambles too, and they have a sugar daddy lurking around who pays for her to live life. She isn't able to come correct to get a stable man who can check off all those boxes.

My standard reaction to this is : "let me know when good looking people start doing it."

[nola]

(05-28-2018 06:01 AM)SeaFM Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 02:52 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Too late my friend they already have. "Polyamory" is simply just polygamy for women. It is becoming more popular now and is infiltrating the mainstream. This set up is common for broken women who can't bring enough to the table to have a well-rounded relationship with one man. Instead, they are the P0rno Debbie for the alpha who just wants to hit it, they have the beta simp in tow who they can be in shambles too, and they have a sugar daddy lurking around who pays for her to live life. She isn't able to come correct to get a stable man who can check off all those boxes.

My standard reaction to this is : "let me know when good looking people start doing it."

Polyamory was exploding in New Orleans and Austin before I left. All the girls participating in it were bottom of the barrel insufferable SJW's. All their boyfriends were male feminist neckbeards that never had success with any girl above a 4. The only way for them to get their dick wet in their minds is to agree to such a demeaning setup.

Most of these guys have had their brains bleached by feminist logic and actually believe they are intellectually and socially a cast above other men that do not partake is such arrangements.

It was always funny if I met "couples" doing this as many of them would say they are both free to date and fuck anyone they want but 9 times out of 10 or maybe 10 out 10 times the girl had several additional betas and the guys were all only fucking her.

Also a lot of guys in these arrangements are bisexual and participate in cuckold style bisex with these girls where the boyfriends are also blowing each other with the girl.

In Austin and New Orleans I got propositioned a few times by these "poly families" looking for a "main" guy for the girl. I would guess that meant I'd be assuming the role of the bull in the relationship but who knows, I could pass for a lot of things. The fact is I don't want to know what that shit would have entailed.

I would guess these types of people are the result of dysfunctional single mother households or households with extremely weak, beta fathers. Any young adult pursing this lifestyle has to be extremely damaged.

[debeguiled]

(05-27-2018 10:57 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(05-15-2018 05:23 PM)Bluto Wrote:  

(05-14-2018 07:15 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

I saw the trailer for this upcoming movie about Mr Rogers and thought this is propaganda trying to make low-T effeminate guys some type of role model for (white) men.

With terms like “toxic masculinity” and trying to model homosexual mannerisms on straight men, there is a clear agenda here.

Anyone boy over the age of six who did not know that Mr. Rogers portrayed an effeminate fag deserves to become a eunuch. If I saw him on TV it was time for me to turn the channel to "Voltron," or "HeMan."

Am I the only guy that's going to stand up for Mr. Rogers? He was a man of God, he didn't have to be He Man. Was married for 40 years to the same woman, just a solid dude trying to spread the word of God and God's love in a non denominational, non preachy way.

Some people are so true to themselves they are one of a kind, and trying to reduce them to the usual adjective train indicates a need to rethink things.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-28-2018 09:31 AM)nola Wrote:  

I would guess these types of people are the result of dysfunctional single mother households or households with extremely weak, beta fathers. Any young adult pursing this lifestyle has to be extremely damaged.

Mostly it's based on the terrible sexual market with too many obese women highly slanted gender ratios.

There are plenty of crazy feminists in South America, but polyamory would not fly there.

[nola]

(05-28-2018 01:12 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(05-28-2018 09:31 AM)nola Wrote:  

I would guess these types of people are the result of dysfunctional single mother households or households with extremely weak, beta fathers. Any young adult pursing this lifestyle has to be extremely damaged.

Mostly it's based on the terrible sexual market with too many obese women highly slanted gender ratios.

There are plenty of crazy feminists in South America, but polyamory would not fly there.

What about unspoken polyamory.? Even in Ukraine women will play the sexual market pretty hardcore. It's not uncommon for a Ukrainian girl to have several men in rotation serving a specific role for her needs/wants.

One for the relationship, one for the lover and one for the money.

I recently had a fling with a girl who described doing this for several years. Wouldn't doubt if she still does it. She is far from the first girl I've met that behaves this way.