[Suits]

(04-27-2018 01:20 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 10:13 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Nobody is saying you have to learn the language just to get laid. I'm assuming the OP wants more than that because he isn't just "passing through" in Saigon for a week or three.

I don't want to derail the thread but my impression of Vietnam:

Locals give you the fake smile with a dagger behind their back and they hate whitey.

There are virtually never any worthwhile business opportunities for foreigners and the place is largely a corrupt hellhole.

Therefore neither integration nor making a lot of money is possible.

Until recently the latter was possible in China and there are still opportunities, although more limited ones.

Chinese people generally respect westerners and will be super happy if you can chit chat in Chinese, which makes integration somewhat easy although you'll never be considered fully Chinese anything but a foreign visitor for obvious reasons.

Fixed.

[AsiaBaller]

(04-27-2018 02:06 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 01:20 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  

Chinese people generally respect westerners and will be super happy if you can chit chat in Chinese, which makes integration somewhat easy although you'll never be considered fully Chinese anything but a foreign visitor for obvious reasons.

Fixed.

I think that's due to you being in Beijing. I have never been there and have no desire to ever visit. Chinese people from second generation wealth (which come closer to westerners in terms of mentality) from other cities told me that's where Chinese people go to try to "make it" much like in LA and you'll have a lot of fake people that big talk about themselves or give you "yeah we should totally do big biz together in the future" before they disappear. Also much more hardcore nationalists down there.

[Suits]

(04-27-2018 02:20 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 02:06 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 01:20 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  

Chinese people generally respect westerners and will be super happy if you can chit chat in Chinese, which makes integration somewhat easy although you'll never be considered fully Chinese anything but a foreign visitor for obvious reasons.

Fixed.

I think that's due to you being in Beijing. I have never been there and have no desire to ever visit. Chinese people from second generation wealth (which come closer to westerners in terms of mentality) from other cities told me that's where Chinese people go to try to "make it" much like in LA and you'll have a lot of fake people that big talk about themselves or give you "yeah we should totally do big biz together in the future" before they disappear. Also much more hardcore nationalists down there.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I wrote.

The mentality that the ethnic Chinese (and especially the Han Chinese) are the only people who entitled to call the Chinese region home is wide spread and not simply a Beijing phenomena.

[AsiaBaller]

(04-27-2018 02:30 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 02:20 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 02:06 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 01:20 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  

Chinese people generally respect westerners and will be super happy if you can chit chat in Chinese, which makes integration somewhat easy although you'll never be considered fully Chinese anything but a foreign visitor for obvious reasons.

Fixed.

I think that's due to you being in Beijing. I have never been there and have no desire to ever visit. Chinese people from second generation wealth (which come closer to westerners in terms of mentality) from other cities told me that's where Chinese people go to try to "make it" much like in LA and you'll have a lot of fake people that big talk about themselves or give you "yeah we should totally do big biz together in the future" before they disappear. Also much more hardcore nationalists down there.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I wrote.

The mentality that the ethnic Chinese (and especially the Han Chinese) are the only people who entitled to call the Chinese region home is wide spread and not simply a Beijing phenomena.

It's a fairly transient city with tons of weidiren from the sticks. You can become a local in Shanghai for example if you're there long enough and know tons of people for years. It's not like Japan where locals will ask you non stop: Why are you here, when will you leave?

[Suits]

(04-27-2018 02:41 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 02:30 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 02:20 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 02:06 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 01:20 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  

Chinese people generally respect westerners and will be super happy if you can chit chat in Chinese, which makes integration somewhat easy although you'll never be considered fully Chinese anything but a foreign visitor for obvious reasons.

Fixed.

I think that's due to you being in Beijing. I have never been there and have no desire to ever visit. Chinese people from second generation wealth (which come closer to westerners in terms of mentality) from other cities told me that's where Chinese people go to try to "make it" much like in LA and you'll have a lot of fake people that big talk about themselves or give you "yeah we should totally do big biz together in the future" before they disappear. Also much more hardcore nationalists down there.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I wrote.

The mentality that the ethnic Chinese (and especially the Han Chinese) are the only people who entitled to call the Chinese region home is wide spread and not simply a Beijing phenomena.

It's a fairly transient city with tons of weidiren from the sticks. You can become a local in Shanghai for example if you're there long enough and know tons of people for years.

That is absolutely not true.

Even if you were considered a local within your social circles, you'd still interact with people on a daily basis who are shocked that you can speak Chinese.

Imagine if I did the following in Canada:

• Wondered out-loud to my friends as to whether the Asian person two feet away could understand The Language.
• Asked every Asian person I met which country they are from and act confused and bewildered when told that they were from Canada.
• Tried to speak Chinese to every Asian person I encountered.
• Shouted "Ni hao!" at every Asian looking person I passed on the sidewalk.
• Insinuated that Asian people were too stupid to learn English.
• Allowed my child to shout Oriental! every time he saw an Asian person.
• Act shocked when a Japanese, Thai or Vietnamese person couldn't speak Chinese.
• Ask ever Asian person I met if they like my country and if they want to marry a Canadian wife.
  

Because that's what the experience is like for Westerners in Every Part Of China. It's actually somewhat less severe in Beijing compared to virtually every country other than Shanghai and excluding Hong Kong, which is obviously a different story.

[Lighter]

(04-26-2018 03:35 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Recently, I've been consulting with a couple of schools in Beijing. They cannot find a non-Indian teacher willing to work fulltime for less than $5K USD per month. They are more than willing to pay $4K.

If you don't mind dealing with kids and aren't incompetent in some way, I can guarantee that there are schools in Beijing that would kill to have you. And I hear that offers may be even better in Shenzhen if you've got significant teaching experience.

I'll seriously interview on Skype myself if you're interested, because I have clients that would love to meet someone with your profile.

How much could someone save on $4k/month in Bejiing while living a decent lifestyle? Isn't Bejiing one of the most expensive cities in China/the world?

Are these jobs available to white-Americans with brown hair and brown eyes?

I need consistent Google access for my side business, but damn I'd move to China with a few different VPN accounts if I could save up $2.5k/month

[Suits]

(04-27-2018 04:07 AM)Lighter Wrote:  

(04-26-2018 03:35 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Recently, I've been consulting with a couple of schools in Beijing. They cannot find a non-Indian teacher willing to work fulltime for less than $5K USD per month. They are more than willing to pay $4K.

If you don't mind dealing with kids and aren't incompetent in some way, I can guarantee that there are schools in Beijing that would kill to have you. And I hear that offers may be even better in Shenzhen if you've got significant teaching experience.

How much could someone save on $4k/month in Bejiing while living a decent lifestyle?

Not a lot.

It all comes down to the lifestyle you expect. If you want to live like a grown adult and have your own place and a reasonable entertainment budget, you can get buy on $4K USD a month in Beijing just fine if you aren't paying off any debt, but you won't be saving any money that way.

If you are willing to share a flat with others or live out far from the city center, and minimize your entertainment budget significantly, you could probably get by on $2K per month. You'll still be able to eat out at that rate, because many small restaurants in Beijing are about as cheap as cooking your own food, so you won't miss out on experiencing Chinese cuisine and if you have a place with a kitchen, some girls will cook for you, which can be great.

But you'll not be able to hit expat places. A pint of craft beer will cost up to $10 sometimes (although on the low end, you'll pay $5). Not that being on a budget will stop you from being an alcoholic in China (as all legitimate expats are), but you won't be drinking at the classy places. You'll be drinking cheap Yanjing and Baijiu at home.

(04-27-2018 04:07 AM)Lighter Wrote:  

Are these jobs available to white-Americans with brown hair and brown eyes?

Yes, desperation for teachers is so high that they don't care what your eye and hair color is.

Skin color, age and country of origin do matter, however.

(04-27-2018 04:07 AM)Lighter Wrote:  

I need consistent Google access for my side business, but damn I'd move to China with a few different VPN accounts if I could save up $2.5k/month

I have one VPN setup and it's very reliable. I have no trouble accessing Google resources and everything else.

[Fortis]

A lot of how much you can save is on you. I make an ok salary and I shave a lot of that off to pay down debt and live off the rest. The thing is, though, I don't pay rent or utilities since I have an extremely cushy public school job and I hustle up private lessons on the side.

I usually keep around $1,000 for food, transportation, and entertainment, but since I have such a full schedule I'm not going out on dates every night. If you're trying to save money you either need to have a girlfriend or you need to be an incel/monk mode.

If you want to run hard game and smash sloots and drink, then you'd need quite a bit more when you consider drinks, transportation and general fuckery that comes with the game. I do know guys who do it on less than I do, but they have no debt and they don't exactly have much going on beyond partying all the time. It can be done but China isn't exactly set up to let you get ahead unless you're willing to hustle.

[asiaslayer]

Can't believe OP is struggling out in some backwater jungle shithole village in Vietnam. Lol, it sounds like you have virtually no competition there either. Have you tried tinder or cupid? what are your results, if any?

You probably wouldn't fare much better in China tbh. China isn't good for older guys these days. especially if you don't have a huge bankroll... I can't even remember the last time I saw an old foreigner with a hot 21 yr old. Unless you're fine with and want 40 year old leftover and/or divorced women, who are often accompanied by baggage and mental problems. Pro-tip: you don't.

[Bienvenuto]

(04-26-2018 07:42 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  

I know this isn't a P4P forum, but personally I'd be paying for some happy endings.

It has crossed my mind.

My mate had a dog that, when it came of age, he had to get snipped because it was so desperate that it kept running miles away every night to try and find canine poon.

Feel alot like that dog right now.

I guess where there is a will there is a way.

So yes Asia slayer I will have to square my circle somehow. If I could knock out a sly wank every now and then I'd be happy going monk-incel mode, saving money and working on physio things.

For me its my hormones that are pushing me and the race/ language barrier that stands in my way at the moment.

Still, I got hold of the number of a Vietnamese English lecturer at the local university today. She will give Vietnamese lessons in return for sitting in conversationally with her (mostly female) undergraduate classes so it seems.

Early days but.. necessity is the mother of invention.

EDIT: Tinder and Cupid, change my settings to Saigon and -to quote Ja Rule - "life is a pussy buffet" : here there are like five local ugly chicks on each. Been on a couple of dates with the least pug-ugly, ham-planet ones. Attitude to go with their spoilt brat over fed English speaking lifestyles. Just couldn't go through with it. In general women here are pretty rough, but my hunch is that there are still plenty of lookers to be found.

[Xenophon]

(04-27-2018 02:53 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 02:41 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 02:30 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 02:20 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 02:06 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Fixed.

I think that's due to you being in Beijing. I have never been there and have no desire to ever visit. Chinese people from second generation wealth (which come closer to westerners in terms of mentality) from other cities told me that's where Chinese people go to try to "make it" much like in LA and you'll have a lot of fake people that big talk about themselves or give you "yeah we should totally do big biz together in the future" before they disappear. Also much more hardcore nationalists down there.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I wrote.

The mentality that the ethnic Chinese (and especially the Han Chinese) are the only people who entitled to call the Chinese region home is wide spread and not simply a Beijing phenomena.

It's a fairly transient city with tons of weidiren from the sticks. You can become a local in Shanghai for example if you're there long enough and know tons of people for years.

That is absolutely not true.

Even if you were considered a local within your social circles, you'd still interact with people on a daily basis who are shocked that you can speak Chinese.

Imagine if I did the following in Canada:

• Wondered out-loud to my friends as to whether the Asian person two feet away could understand The Language.
• Asked every Asian person I met which country they are from and act confused and bewildered when told that they were from Canada.
• Tried to speak Chinese to every Asian person I encountered.
• Shouted "Ni hao!" at every Asian looking person I passed on the sidewalk.
• Insinuated that Asian people were too stupid to learn English.
• Allowed my child to shout Oriental! every time he saw an Asian person.
• Act shocked when a Japanese, Thai or Vietnamese person couldn't speak Chinese.
• Ask ever Asian person I met if they like my country and if they want to marry a Canadian wife.
  

Because that's what the experience is like for Westerners in Every Part Of China. It's actually somewhat less severe in Beijing compared to virtually every country other than Shanghai and excluding Hong Kong, which is obviously a different story.

So Chinese act just as retarded in China as they do in Bangkok. Good to know.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(04-26-2018 03:35 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Recently, I've been consulting with a couple of schools in Beijing. They cannot find a non-Indian teacher willing to work fulltime for less than $5K USD per month. They are more than willing to pay $4K.

There are places in this world that go to the trouble of importing even non-native English speakers to teach English? If you have a moment to elaborate, I would love to hear more about this.