[Simeon_Strangelight]

So what? They know for a fact that he killed the woman? Did someone take fingerprints and study the crime scene in detail?

Stupid savages living in their stupid mud-huts - will continue to live in those.

There is currently zero proof that he did it. She was shot and even if he threatened her, that does not mean that he did it.

The rule of law means that you actually have some cases where the guilty are free, because Europe already had plenty of experiences in the past where someone "guilty" was found. Back then anyone could grab any suspect and claim that it was him who did it. Then he was publicly tortured and executed to incite more blood-lust. Whether it was the right person did not matter.

Now we have tremendous tools at our disposal to find the guilty party - and if we can't then the divine justice has to take care of things. We don't go around lynching people on suspicion like some medieval idiots.

[Mage]

(04-24-2018 01:15 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

When SJWs do horror movies about cannibals in the Amazon:

Spoilers:



In the end the only surviving girl lets the cannibal brutal villagers go, because she feels that the White men were just encroaching on their territory. She does this after those savages have brutally murdered and eaten their male and female friends - also given them their own friends as food to eat.

In the movie she is saved by a mercenary group hired by a corporation - they would have wiped out every last on of those savages, but she let them go in her great social justice compassion (as they were chasing her to kill and eat her literally 5 minutes before).

Sargon - the mainstream leftie of old - has an entire series about all the beautiful cultures alive around the world.

I watched that movie and now I know that Zelscorpion is not above lying by omission, to prove his point of only Christians being worth non-killing and the rest of world aside usa and Europe being a shithole filled with low IQ idiots.

- The SJW's that died were not her friends- she met them a few days before the events in film. She had some tension with quite a few with them except for one fat beta orbiter whom she also probably secretly despised.

- The movie mocks SJW's and their causes, revealing how they are but pawns for drug dealers and rival corporations trying to undermine other corporations. The movie even shows them fat beta orbiters, loser junkies and dumb chicks

- The natives did indeed only fought in self defense and thought the SJW's were the same as the forest cutters. After all they had same skin color and even wore the same uniforms. The natives only cannibalized their captured enemies (which might be rational in that environment, who knows) and never themselves.

- In the end the girl lied because he didn't want the mercantile and manipulative leader of SJW's to be rescued. That SJW leader was acting so that others would not escape and would get eaten first, because he didn't believe in escape but did believe in being eaten last or rescued if he waits long enough.

So it's the opposite of what Zelscorpion said - the girl didn't leave any friends avenged with cold heart, she did best to both end that lying SJW trend, prevent bloodbath and save that rain-forest (which is of value whether there is or is not any cannibal Indians in there).

Why did you lie Zelscorpion, so disappointed in you

Maybe you were not lying intentionally and just saw only what you wanted to see, anyway sort of sad.

The movie is quite good, a bit too gory for my liking but it shows in brutal honesty both the native tribes (cannibalism is gross) and the SJW's (they are all liars or fools). If anything the movie is not about taking sides and just seeing world how it is. Most likely it just doesn't have any true message just uses controversial topics for attention.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Mage - what the fuck is wrong with you? What lies?
As far as I remember the entire crew consisted of SJW students and the asshole professor who was also a libtard.

The noble savages just ate their enemies who consisted of women and pudgy young guys - all unarmed somehow. Yes - they were indeed exalted by slaughtering them gruesomely one by one.

And you defend that tribe as wonderful and virtuous? I am sure that it is natural to eat willy-nilly everyone and kill them gruesomely when you are fighting an enemy army. They did not even eat them because they were hungry or there was lack of food. They ate them in order to "imbue themselves with their strength".

No idea what the fuck is wrong with you in your hatred against against the West or Christianity. I am not even Christian anymore - and that does not matter.

A tribe that kills and eats tourists would also kill and eat any other tribe - even one that looks exactly like them. If you think that their culture is equal to ours, to the Japanese one and to an intergalactic one then you should go and do some therapy. Something is seriously wrong with you.

And the girl was a libtard who wanted to defend that shitty tribe. There were far superior countries wiped out in history - this one deserved the worst in my opinion. Also I think that one of the girls was indeed her friend. But I guess you would be above it - let your friends be slaughtered and eaten and then let bygones be bygones 10 minutes later. The noble savage must live. And don't put words into my mouth - I never said anything about any stupid genocide. That tribe deserved the worst.

[debeguiled]

Trollin' is how he rolls.

Magehexehammer666

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I would also point out that I am against illegal deforestation of the Amazon and those illegally operating companies should be dealt with by those respective governments or by the aid of international ones.

The group of students in the movie tried to expose those activities and ignite the fires of the Twitterati - in pure social justice mindset.

As for the cannibal tribe - I am not advocating for any genocide. Since you have to keep the Amazon forest anyway, then you could create a reservation and warn the surrounding people that they are dangerous. But seriously - those cannibals are a danger to anyone strolling into their territory.

On another note Mage - you have a thread out there where you advocate for a return to paganism and that the West should ditch Christianity. I guess you already moved along the slippery slope into eating human flesh as an acceptable measure. Next time you capture a bunch of unarmed cute 18yo girls, the first thing that crosses your mind is to kill them gruesomely and eat them while they are still alive. That is all valid and so incredibly diverse and multicultural.

I would also propose you be given a house right next to that tribe of cannibals and have your family living next to them. We will see who has a better life - me living next to a bunch of evil Polish Christians and you living next to a tribe of noble pagan cannibals in the Amazon.

[Mage]

(04-25-2018 12:25 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Mage - what the fuck is wrong with you? What lies?
As far as I remember the entire crew consisted of SJW students and the asshole professor who was also a libtard.

(04-25-2018 12:25 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Yes but it doesn't mean that the movie is promoting SJW values - the movie just depicts modern student's as they are and it exposes their SJWism as their own folly.

The noble savages just ate their enemies who consisted of women and pudgy young guys - all unarmed somehow. Yes - they were indeed exalted by slaughtering them gruesomely one by one.

And you defend that tribe as wonderful and virtuous? I am sure that it is natural to eat willy-nilly everyone and kill them gruesomely when you are fighting an enemy army. They did not even eat them because they were hungry or there was lack of food. They ate them in order to "imbue themselves with their strength".

I never said they are virtuous or noble or anything. But they know no other way is it not obvious? You cannot judge them for their behavior. An animal is an animal and a savage is a savage. They see that white people ride metal monsters that destroy their home and they capture them and eat them out of superstition. Do you think they have any choice do to something differently?

Would you want civilized people to go in and slaughter these people because they practice cannibalism? By the same logic you should kill all tigers and lions in this world. They should be left alone as long as they don't crawl out of the jungle and get dangerous.

(04-25-2018 12:25 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

No idea what the fuck is wrong with you in your hatred against against the West or Christianity. I am not even Christian anymore - and that does not matter.

You still apparently have a Christian mindset that you think, being more civilized gives you right to conquer and slaughter people who have fallen behind in their social development.

(04-25-2018 12:25 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

A tribe that kills and eats tourists would also kill and eat any other tribe - even one that looks exactly like them.

That is just an assumption. It's just comfortable for you to think that way.

(04-25-2018 12:25 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

If you think that their culture is equal to ours, to the Japanese one and to an intergalactic one then you should go and do some therapy. Something is seriously wrong with you.

I don't think that Western culture is equal with South American Indian culture, but I don't think that after you have made a superior culture it gives you right to attack and destroy cultures that have fallen behind.

(04-25-2018 12:25 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

And the girl was a libtard who wanted to defend that shitty tribe. There were far superior countries wiped out in history - this one deserved the worst in my opinion. Also I think that one of the girls was indeed her friend. But I guess you would be above it - let your friends be slaughtered and eaten and then let bygones be bygones 10 minutes later. The noble savage must live. And don't put words into my mouth - I never said anything about any stupid genocide. That tribe deserved the worst.

So you confess people must be killed for practicing something that their grandfathers maybe tough them and when they know no alternative - oh they ate a few of our guys because we destroyed their rain forest, well lets go and shoot them like mighty cowboys. Yahoo!

That tribe even had a little boy who freed that girl and let her escape. But who cares you would just go and give them all "the worst".

Again you insist on that girl having friends in that group - wrong, she met them all just a few days before they left. Her friend stayed in USA.

She sure was a libtard at beginning, but the whole movie is about her getting disillusioned in that. In the end she lies because she doesn't want the libtard leader to get rescued.

These savages are a force of nature - you want to judge them as fully aware of their actions. That is as much wrong as wanting to exalt them and make some sorts of saints from them.

[Mage]

(04-25-2018 01:28 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

I would also point out that I am against illegal deforestation of the Amazon and those illegally operating companies should be dealt with by those respective governments or by the aid of international ones.

The group of students in the movie tried to expose those activities and ignite the fires of the Twitterati - in pure social justice mindset.

Yeah they were SJW. That movie is about SJW meeting savages. You don't have to pick a side. It's a movie.

(04-25-2018 01:28 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

As for the cannibal tribe - I am not advocating for any genocide. Since you have to keep the Amazon forest anyway, then you could create a reservation and warn the surrounding people that they are dangerous. But seriously - those cannibals are a danger to anyone strolling into their territory.

In your previous post you said this tribe deserved "the worst" Now you are saying you want no genocide. I am glad you thought about it more carefully. Apparently my attack on your position did change something in you. Not that you would confess that, I know it is hard.

(04-25-2018 01:28 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

On another note Mage - you have a thread out there where you advocate for a return to paganism and that the West should ditch Christianity. I guess you already moved along the slippery slope into eating human flesh as an acceptable measure. Next time you capture a bunch of unarmed cute 18yo girls, the first thing that crosses your mind is to kill them gruesomely and eat them while they are still alive. That is all valid and so incredibly diverse and multicultural.

The pattern repeats in your thought process - when you want to dislike people you imagine different atrocities they surely must be committing. You assume that that tribe kills other tribes too. You assume I am a cannibal just because I don't think it's a good idea to slaughter a tribe of natives. It's so Christian - just assume everyone who thinks differently is a Satanist who commits the worst atrocities and performs bloody rituals and what not.

Now this is a thread about mob justice. You see how easily you can be led to assume that the one who is different from you is guilty about something. Were you born in middle ages you would be one throwing rocks at the supposed witch. Were you born in this tribe you would be the one eating those different looking white people. And I am not assuming just observing your patterns.

(04-25-2018 01:28 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

I would also propose you be given a house right next to that tribe of cannibals and have your family living next to them. We will see who has a better life - me living next to a bunch of evil Polish Christians and you living next to a tribe of noble pagan cannibals in the Amazon.

Christians in west can be good or evil because they are exposed to various views, they know what is a virtue and what is a sin and shat is a temptation. There are a lot of good and a lot of evil Christians.

That isolated tribe knows nothing but their traditions. Their language doesn't have words to express different ideas. They are neither good or evil. They are what they are. They are to be treated as a force of nature. What do you do with tigers and other dangerous animals? You shoot them (preferably with tranquilizers if you have them, but with bullets if you don't) when they come near your city or village. But you don't go into their forest and kill them for no reason.

You hate SJW's and them exalting these people so you want to do the opposite and hate them and kill them. How about just recognizing that we have our land and they have theirs?

[debeguiled]

You guys are arguing over a movie.

[puckerman]

I have no use for blanket judgments of groups and how they live. It wasn't long ago that our own ancestors lived in a similar manner. People look at the advantages and disadvantages of modern life, and many of them choose what they like best.

Two men have been arrested for the lynching. I hope that these guys got the actual murderer. If they didn't get the right man, Olivia's killer is still out there; and those two guys should rot in prison. If they did get the right man, I would let them off because they clearly didn't trust the system.

There are tribes that are very hostile toward outsiders. From the 1600's to the 1850's, the entire country of Japan operated the same way. There are also gangs that live in the rain forest and rob anyone who comes through. They are just like pirates on the high seas.

These people will adopt more modern ways soon enough. Of course, you have to remember that even the richer people in Perú would be below average in America.

Last year on Friday 19 May, I arrived on a late flight from the USA in Lima. It was past 11:00 pm. I had a big duffle bag and a backpack. I had to get everything and check it back in. My flight to Iquitos left at 5:!5 am, so I would be sleeping somewhere in the airport. When I made the change, I actually had to go outside the airport. A cab driver approached me and asked, "Taxi?" I held up my boarding pass and said, "Conexion." The cab driver knew I didn't need a ride, so he wasn't going to get a sale. The cab driver still walked with me to where I needed to go. I will always remember that.

I was a guest in someone else's home and was grateful for the generosity and hospitality there. It's the same when I went to the rain forest for eleven days. The people in the rain forest showed us the plant life and were always there to help us. I am thankful for that. I always tipped well, even though I didn't know what the tipping customs were.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I've seen the movie.

It's pretty simple in it's execution (no pun intended).

The SJWs are portrayed as idiots and the natives are portrayed as cruel, bloodthirsty savages. It's actually an interesting film although a little mindless all in all. It seems to draw heavily from those gorefest horror movies of a bygone era.

There are no good guys in the film and no winners either. It's a bunch of interesting stuff that happens. You're not going to walk away feeling a little more enlightened but it's still better than the average shit Hollywood churns out these days.

[GranMarnier]

Not surprised @ typical "savages" talk on this forum, it's easy to talk big behind a keyboard. Where have I heard talk about savages and low "IQ" individuals before I wonder? Especially coming from Zelcorpion and others like him, reminds me of the Chinese man marrying Ukranian woman thread. Turns out the "innocent" man had gunshot residue on him and purchased the same gun that killed the healer will shell casings linked backed to the very gun. Is it a setup, possibly but it looks like the "savages" were justified. Link is below.

All evidence shows B.C. man lynched in Peru had shot dead Indigenous healer

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-04-2018 11:31 AM)GranMarnier Wrote:  

Not surprised @ typical "savages" talk on this forum, it's easy to talk big behind a keyboard. Where have I heard talk about savages and low "IQ" individuals before I wonder? Especially coming from Zelcorpion and others like him, reminds me of the Chinese man marrying Ukranian woman thread. Turns out the "innocent" man had gunshot residue on him and purchased the same gun that killed the healer will shell casings linked backed to the very gun. Is it a setup, possibly but it looks like the "savages" were justified. Link is below.

All evidence shows B.C. man lynched in Peru had shot dead Indigenous healer

So? If he was guilty, then why not wait for the cops? Is the system as corrupt as that?

And even if he got released - why not do it at night like a band of brothers dispensing justice, no one recording stupidly the thing.

This justification of a lynch mob is not helpful. I get it that emotions ran wild with them, but seriously doing it in the town square like some morons while kids were watching and recording it on their phones like idiots? Rule of law is the first choice - that bloke was not rich enough to buy himself out of it easily.

The report is a bit puzzling though - why are they looking for two other men?

But if it's true that gun residue was found on his clothes and the same gun he purchased recently was used, then it is likely that he was guilty. The people who did it just threw away their lives even if he was guilty. That's just dumb and there is a good reason why it's no longer seen in the West. Revenge killings are done everywhere, but you go about it smarter if the official justice does not work.

So no - not taking it back. Always first are the racism allegations like all the good communists out there.

[Off The Reservation]

It is absurd to simply assume that the "evidence" against the Canadian is real.

If any locals wanted to kill this so called shaman they would have done it at a time place and manner in order to frame the outsider. This is the land of the Shinin Path. Marxism + Savage-ism. Peru will do NOTHING against the native mob. They are free within Peru to self govern as they see fit, and have been given the pass on any of their actions within their paranoiac, closed culture.

It's more likely he got too close to, or fucked the wrong local and she was punished for it and he was framed. Think the locals don't know all about the hallucinogens they are luring people into the woods with?

[Leonard D Neubache]

Savagism is something that's been on my mind for a few weeks now, although I was thinking of it as primitivism.

It's odd, that while some men like myself take time to seek out the primitive motivators that drive me (and everyone else) and knowingly attempt to adapt or suppress them in a way that suits living in a modern civilization, there is a growing number of people who are simply beginning to indulge them without any framework, context or even acknowledgement, and indeed going further to conjure up a framework that tells them that their Savagism is in fact an expression of a greater enlightenment (Western social justice rampages for example).

There are factors feeding into this phenomenon that are beyond polite discussion here (pm me for some hot wrongthink) but we're likely going to see this phenomenon come to some kind of a head soon.

[david.garrett84]

(05-04-2018 11:31 AM)GranMarnier Wrote:  

Not surprised @ typical "savages" talk on this forum, it's easy to talk big behind a keyboard. Where have I heard talk about savages and low "IQ" individuals before I wonder? Especially coming from Zelcorpion and others like him, reminds me of the Chinese man marrying Ukranian woman thread. Turns out the "innocent" man had gunshot residue on him and purchased the same gun that killed the healer will shell casings linked backed to the very gun. Is it a setup, possibly but it looks like the "savages" were justified. Link is below.

All evidence shows B.C. man lynched in Peru had shot dead Indigenous healer

Oh, please spare us that drivel.

Zelcorpion freely admitted how shitty mob justice has been in the West going back centuries. While we're accusing non-Western cultures of a kind of savagery, we're happy to draw parallels between that savagery and the savagery on display from our own ancestors elsewhere.

In addition, people like Zelcorpion and I use most of our criticisms of the world to lambaste Western shortcomings, particularly terrible SJW encroachments. A tiny fraction of our ripostes involve countries outside the West, unless those countries are sending their worst examples to the West, causing crime and mayhem.

The fact remains: one can go to equally poor parts of places like Romania, for example, and not see the sort of mob justice meted out in many Central and South American areas.

The non-English-speaking Americas have the machismo that the West lacks, but they are certainly much more likely to be hellholes with either a corrupt police force or a veritable lack of policing in favor of mob or gang "justice".

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I think the last witch was burnt in Europe in 1810 and we don't want those times back. The magna carta was created as a form to stem such things as mob justice. It took Europe centuries to establish the rule of law as the pre-eminent measure. Killing a father in front of kids slurping ice cream while he is begging for his life is no way to go forward. His children will one day see those videos - even if he had killed that old woman, what has been done to him is no excuse.

Claims that "people down there cherish their elderly" are just bullshit. Acknowledging that there is a problem and needs to be addressed is the first step in the right direction - not claiming that "we cherish our old vs those gringos" or that "you cannot trust the cops and they would have released him anyway".

That guy even when found guilty would have been punished enough rotting for 20 years in a South American prison or being extradited and spending his days getting butt-fucked by Laraza gangs. And if he got away free - then there is divine justice - you never escape that.

And I don't think that Europeans "are better than those folk" intrinsically. A country can go backwards towards barbarism or forward into rule of law and a sane society. Everyone is contributing in that regard - by showing restraint, by adhering to laws - even by sticking to the little things like not littering and picking up your dog's shit. It starts with the little things and ends with the big ones where rich people get punished almost equally and no one gets lynched on lamp posts on Friday night just because someone got bored.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-04-2018 11:31 AM)GranMarnier Wrote:  

Not surprised @ typical "savages" talk on this forum, it's easy to talk big behind a keyboard.
...

Gutless faggot calls out member via sockpuppet account.

More at 6.

[puckerman]

(05-04-2018 12:00 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

So? If he was guilty, then why not wait for the cops? Is the system as corrupt as that?

And even if he got released - why not do it at night like a band of brothers dispensing justice, no one recording stupidly the thing.

This justification of a lynch mob is not helpful. I get it that emotions ran wild with them, but seriously doing it in the town square like some morons while kids were watching and recording it on their phones like idiots? Rule of law is the first choice - that bloke was not rich enough to buy himself out of it easily.

The report is a bit puzzling though - why are they looking for two other men?

But if it's true that gun residue was found on his clothes and the same gun he purchased recently was used, then it is likely that he was guilty. The people who did it just threw away their lives even if he was guilty. That's just dumb and there is a good reason why it's no longer seen in the West. Revenge killings are done everywhere, but you go about it smarter if the official justice does not work.

Sebastian already had several violent incidents leading up to this. They had reported him to the police before he even bought the gun. The people in the Shipibo tribe probably figured the police would do nothing and then take the law into their own hands. Many in the ayahuasca community are wondering why he wasn't sent back to Canada before all this happened.

According to my sources, some money was also involved. Apparently Sebastian wanted to go into the ayahuasca business and had given someone a substantial amount of money to buy land. The person bought the land and then sold it. So, he was pissed about losing the money.

Unfortunately, it does not sound like Perú is a very good place to do business. The legal system appears to be a mess, and people apparently deal in cash a lot. I paid a lot of cash for my retreat, and that seems to be standard there.

I certainly have my own criticisms of Perú and how some things are done there. In America, ayahuasca will usually be in glass jars or bottles. Down there, they actually use plastic water bottles (that used to have water). The standards of cleanliness and sanitation are somewhat appalling. I was once drinking water after a ceremony from a 7-11 bottle, and a Peruvian ceremony leader was totally okay with me pouring water for him out of it. He was drinking water after me, with all my germs.

That being said, I was in Iquitos, not Pucallpa. Pucallpa is connected to the rest of Perú by road, while Iquitos is not.

Some of the more idiotic lefty people say that the influence of America and other advanced countries is "destroying" ayahuasca shamanism. I actually think we are saving it. First and foremost, we brought paper to people who had no written language before we made contact with them. We are working with them to spread their wisdom around the world, while it was confined to the rain forest. If we had not discovered this, it might very well have died out around 2100 or so.

[puckerman]

(05-04-2018 12:10 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

It is absurd to simply assume that the "evidence" against the Canadian is real.

If any locals wanted to kill this so called shaman they would have done it at a time place and manner in order to frame the outsider. This is the land of the Shining Path. Marxism + Savage-ism. Peru will do NOTHING against the native mob. They are free within Peru to self govern as they see fit, and have been given the pass on any of their actions within their paranoiac, closed culture.

It's more likely he got too close to, or fucked the wrong local and she was punished for it and he was framed. Think the locals don't know all about the hallucinogens they are luring people into the woods with?

I know several people who knew Olivia personally. She was a respected healer and teacher of many other healers. She traveled from the Pucallpa area to Iquitos to help other healers.

I know who the Shining Path is. Olivia was non-political as far as I have heard. Her only activism was promoting responsible and compassionate healing work.

Considering what is happening in Venezuela, I doubt that Marxism is very popular in any other South American country right now. Of course, there are colleges there.

My sources are the Facebook postings of Alan Shoemaker of Ayahuasca Medicine House and Cielo Tierra of Casa de la Madre. Alan is an American who has been in Iquitos since 1992. Cielo is an Aussie who has been in Pucallpa for about ten years.

[kazz]

When I was in Iquitos in the Peruvian Amazon, I also traveled down river to some really remote areas. I cant say I really noticed what the guys were like as I didnt really care, though I did have several guys kind of act somewhat aggressive towards me. Which I never experienced before. One guy come up to me and said ' is there a problem here" when I was talking to a girl that was with his group.

The biggest shock was the women, they really wanted nothing to do with me, I was actually quite annoyed as I was thinking these girls would love me. The ladyboys were pretty full on I was amazed there were so many; actually the best cheapest pollo, ensalada, papas st food were made by a whole heap of them a bit down from Juliette Park I think it was called.

There were also a whole heap of weird hippie types, one guy staying at the hostel looked and dressed like a buddhist monk, then I talked to him and he was from Seattle.

To this day I still dont know what the deal with the girls from that place was.