I once read that 250 white men conquered the Congo. Even with low numbers Europeans mights still be able to dominate. Another example is the battle of Rorkes Drift.
Don't debate me.
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The world will likely become far more Orwellian in the future with high-tech super-protected city-states for the rich and less safe diverse zones for the rest. The top city state of Nigeria will be as safe as the top city-state part of Paris. My guess is that most Muslims and enrichers won't even have access to those parts of town. The places will be largely white and largely safe, so the elite imagine their kids to live in those areas while Rotherham and Calais are left for the Whites to enjoy diversity and multiculturalism. Those areas will be as far removed from the areas their kids frequent as the moon.
At least that is their plan - whether it works out that way is another matter.
Even if so they are willingly confining their existence to a cage - a well guarded luxury cage, but still a cage. It's hard to me imagine why would they want that, but maybe that's just because I am a Pagan outdoors and nature lover. I still think their strategy is much more short term and self destructive.
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The world will likely become far more Orwellian in the future with high-tech super-protected city-states for the rich and less safe diverse zones for the rest. The top city state of Nigeria will be as safe as the top city-state part of Paris. My guess is that most Muslims and enrichers won't even have access to those parts of town. The places will be largely white and largely safe, so the elite imagine their kids to live in those areas while Rotherham and Calais are left for the Whites to enjoy diversity and multiculturalism. Those areas will be as far removed from the areas their kids frequent as the moon.
At least that is their plan - whether it works out that way is another matter.
Even if so they are willingly confining their existence to a cage - a well guarded luxury cage, but still a cage. It's hard to me imagine why would they want that, but maybe that's just because I am a Pagan outdoors and nature lover. I still think their strategy is much more short term and self destructive.
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The ancient revulsion with regard to paganism felt by adherents of Judaism links up with the need to take stock of these contemporary phenomena. The return of paganism forces Judaism to focus on Jewish law and tradition, which proclaim that God is central in the world. Nature is not sacred and its laws represent barbarity; the Noahide laws represent civil society. There are many reasons for Jewish observers to watch attentively which direction the powerful, renewed interest in nature will take, and what consequences this may have for world Jewry.
Quote: (04-30-2018 04:12 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
I agree, but to what extent is Catholicism legitimate if the spiritual chain of command has to be ignored?
It would be like an American state declaring secession from the union but still claiming to be American.
When push comes to shove, how is the situation going to be handled. The orders trickle down from the Vatican all the way to the priests and then the man-on-the-street. At what stage in that process is the chain to be broken, and at that point are the rebels divorced from the earthly order of Catholicism as we know it?
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Quote: (05-01-2018 09:00 PM)Sherman Wrote:
Nature never left you. That is why you are still alive. However, Judaism will not be missed.
And Islam will be even missed less than Judaism.
Quote: (05-04-2018 01:08 PM)Mage Wrote:
Another thing that is mind boggling to me - if we humans get only one life and if Christianity is correct - why does God allow such huge percentages of people to live and die in societies constructed on total lies? You know these people in most of majority Muslim countries - they just can't get baptized and be liberated from the original sin. There is no such option there.
Quote: (05-04-2018 01:08 PM)Mage Wrote:
Another thing that is mind boggling to me - if we humans get only one life and if Christianity is correct - why does God allow such huge percentages of people to live and die in societies constructed on total lies? You know these people in most of majority Muslim countries - they just can't get baptized and be liberated from the original sin. There is no such option there.
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Quote: (05-04-2018 01:08 PM)Mage Wrote:
Another thing that is mind boggling to me - if we humans get only one life and if Christianity is correct - why does God allow such huge percentages of people to live and die in societies constructed on total lies? You know these people in most of majority Muslim countries - they just can't get baptized and be liberated from the original sin. There is no such option there.
Romans 2:14
Quote: (05-05-2018 12:02 AM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:
Far worse than that is that muslims and christians will never get to feast in the halls of valhalla and fight on the great final battlefield come ragnarok.
I lie awake at night worrying about that.
But given that I am dyslexic, I also lie awake at night wondering if their really is a dog?
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Romans 2:14
New International Version (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
New Living Translation Even Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, ...
Quote: (05-05-2018 04:22 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
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Romans 2:14
New International Version (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
New Living Translation Even Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, ...
I am the Lord thy God, thou shall not have any gods before me.
Instantly disqualified.
You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything.
Instantly disqualified for most religions.
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
Might work
Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
Instantly disqualified for most religions.
Honor your father and your mother.
Likely to pass under most religions.
You shall not murder.
You must instinctively know that jihad is wrong, for example.
You shall not commit adultery.
Instinctive? Hard sell.
You shall not steal.
Likely to pass under most religions.
You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
Likely to pass under most religions.
You shall not covet your neighbor's house, wife, or property.
Likely to pass under most religions.
Doesn't make a very good case for the passage. The Ten Commandments are the fundamental cliche for "written in stone" and it disqualifies people born into heresy instantly.
Not shilling. Just playing ref.
Quote: (05-05-2018 04:22 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
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Romans 2:14
New International Version (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
New Living Translation Even Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, ...
I am the Lord thy God, thou shall not have any gods before me.
Instantly disqualified.
You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything.
Instantly disqualified for most religions.
You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
Might work
Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
Instantly disqualified for most religions.
Honor your father and your mother.
Likely to pass under most religions.
You shall not murder.
You must instinctively know that jihad is wrong, for example.
You shall not commit adultery.
Instinctive? Hard sell.
You shall not steal.
Likely to pass under most religions.
You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
Likely to pass under most religions.
You shall not covet your neighbor's house, wife, or property.
Likely to pass under most religions.
Doesn't make a very good case for the passage. The Ten Commandments are the fundamental cliche for "written in stone" and it disqualifies people born into heresy instantly.
Not shilling. Just playing ref.
Quote: (05-06-2018 03:59 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
It constantly amazes me how the events of history hundreds or thousand of years ago continue to ripple modern waters. In the West the saying goes "all roads lead to Rome" and in historical terms to some degree this still holds true.
Quote: (05-05-2018 09:41 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
< Yeah - except the Chinese, Korean and Japanese societies break free from that. They embrace rather pagan or almost secular beliefs - their ethics are hardly mired in the 10 commandments or hellfire. They did not do much progress - true. Creativity and breaking of social habits was one of Europe's strengths. IQ explains why the lower societies did not progress. That explanation does not for the North-Asians.
I would rather say that it's a multitude of factors - obedience to authority and uniformity being some of the factors that held them all back in the feudal age - all despite dangerous enemies in Mongolia and later highly superior aggressive Western powers.
Still - I would agree that their higher IQs made it even possible for them to behave in such a relatively ethical manner despite no religion mired in fear and hell. The likelihood of a 85-IQ Japan replicating that is zero.
Quote: (05-05-2018 09:29 AM)fenetre Wrote:
I've thought about this question a lot recently. About which religion is truer, and why Christianity is arguably the most true. I'm no theologian so take my thinking for what it's worth.
There are two main points.
One. God is something to be discovered. This takes time, and the ability to understand yourself and the world around you. For example, electricity has always existed but was not discovered until relatively recently.
Pagans' understanding of God is limited to a primitive sort of understanding, because that was the level of development back then. Similarly, Hindus' and Muslims' conception of God and their development of this understanding is limited by differences in the way these cultures think, which is a function of their IQ, temperaments, other biological factors, and so on.
Is it any wonder that the superior European type has developed the greatest understanding of God, based on how he has discovered it? Why should our brilliance in discovery stop at the door of religion?
Two. Supporting my point is that we only need to look at how life is in various religious societies. "Ye shall know them by their fruits."
How can anyone hold on to the argument that all religions are equal? How is life for the average Muslim, Hindu or Christian? Which society is going to be more just, wealthy, compassionate, safe?
We know Christianity is more true because we see the fruits of the actions of 100s of millions of Christians over hundreds of years, and we compare this to the Hindu and Muslim equivalents.
No people has fully discovered God, but it's clear that Christianity is further along the road. Just zoom out a little.
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One of the points to be mentioned first is the question of the distinction which has to be made at the divine level and which is made in all esoterisms but cannot be made exoterically, that is, in religions as given to the masses today-the distinction between the Absolute and the beginnings therein of relativity. The Absolute which is One, Infinite, Eternal, Immutable, Undetermined, Unconditioned, is represented in Hinduism by the sacred monosyllable Aum, and it is termed Atma, which means Self, and Brahma which is a neuter word that serves to emphasize that it is beyond all duality such as male and female. And it is also termed Tat (That), just as in Sufism, the Absolute is sometimes termed Huwa (He). Then we have what corresponds in other religions to the personal God, lshvara, which is the beginning already of relativity, because it is concerned with manifesta tion, the term that Hindus use for creation, and creation is clearly the beginning of a duality-Creator and created. lshvara is at the divine level, yet it is the beginning of relativity.
In all esoterism one finds the same doctrine. Meister Eckhart came into difficulties with the Church because he insisted on making a distinction between God and Godhead—Gott und Gottheit. He used the second term for the Absolute, that is for the absolute Absolute, and he used God for the relative Absolute. It could have been the other way around, it was just that he needed to make some difference. In Sufism one speaks of the Divine Essence and the Essential Names of God such as the One, the Truth, the All-Holy, the Living, and the Infinitely Good, al-Rahman, which contains the roots of all goodness and which is also a name of the Divine Essence. Below that there are the Names of Qualities, like Creator, the Merciful, in the sense of one who has Mercy on others, and that is clearly the beginning of a duality. In every esoterism this distinction is made even at the level of the Divinity. It cannot exist below esoterism because it would result in the idea of two Gods; a division in the Divinity would be exceedingly dangerous in the hands of the mass of believers. The Divine Unity has to be maintained at all costs.
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Now Guénon, in this book, traces with all clarity the hierarchy of the universe from the Absolute, from the personal God, down to the created logos, that is buddhi, which is the word which means intellect and which has three aspects-Brahma (this time the word is masculine), Vishnu, and Shiva. Strictly speaking in the hierarchy of the universes these devas (this is the same word linguistically as the Latin deus), have the rank of what we would call archangels. Hinduism is so subtle however that though they are created they can be invoked as Names of the Absolute because they descend from the Absolute and they return to the Absolute. They can be invoked in the sense of the Absolute Brahma, in the sense of Atma, in the sense of Aum.
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The Hindu doctrine, like Genesis, speaks of the two waters. The Koran speaks of the two seas, the upper waters and the lower waters. The upper waters represent the higher aspect of the created world, that is, of the manifested world, corresponding to the different heavens in which are the different paradises. It is all part of the next world from the point of view of this world. The lower waters represent the world of body and soul, and all is a manifestation of the Absolute.
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In the later religions it is as if Providence had shepherded mankind into a narrower and nar rower valley: the opening is still the same to heaven but the horizontal outlook is narrower and narrower because man is no longer capable of taking in more than a certain amount. The Hindu doctrine of the samsara, that is, of the endless chain of innumerable worlds which have been manifested, and of which the universe consists, would lead to all sorts of distractions. Nonetheless, when one is speaking of an Absolute, Eternal Divinity, the idea that that Infinitude produced only one single world in manifesting itself does not satisfy the intelligence. The doctrine of the samsara does, on the other hand, satisfy, but the worlds are innumerable that have been manifested.
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Hinduism also has the avataras, and that a Christian can well understand, that is, the manifestations, the descents, of the Divinity. Of course a Christian would not recognize the descents of the Hindu avataras because for the average Christian there has only ever been one descent and that is Christ Himself, but Hinduism recognizes the descent as an inexhaustible possibility and it names ten avataras who have helped maintain the vitality of the religion down to the present day. The ninth avatara, which is called the foreign avatara, is the Buddha himself because, although he appeared in India, he was not for Hindus but clearly for the Eastern world. The breadth of Hinduism is seen also in its prefiguration of exoterism which is the recognition of the Three Ways. These are still Ways back to God-the three margas-the way of knowledge, the way of love, and the way of action—three ways which correspond to the inclinations and affinities of different human beings.
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Another point which makes the terms of Hinduism so right for giving Europeans the message is that they have as Aryans an affinity with Hinduism because they are rooted in the religions of Classical Antiquity which are sister religions to Hinduism; their structure was clearly the same as the structure of Hinduism. Of course they degener ated into complete decadence and have now disappeared. Nonetheless our heritage lies in them and Guenon gives us, one might say, the possibility of a mysterious renascence in a purely positive sense by his message of the truth in Hindu terms. This affinity must not be exag gerated however, and Guenon never advised anybody who was not a Hindu, as far as I know, to become a Hindu.