[Quizzical_2]

It's a contradiction that I'm always somewhat aware of in the back of my head; good Christian men don't typically go out and have sex with any woman they want to. Sex outside of marriage is a sin, so casual sex will always make me feel guilty as all hell at the end of the day. How do my fellow Christians feel about this?

[Captainstabbin]

I don't justify it. I recognize it for what it is and accept responsibility. Hamstering is for women.

[Leonard D Neubache]

"Fellow".



GR8 B8 M8, 8/8 no H8.

[Suits]

You can't be a Christian and engage in a lifestyle fundamentally at odds with Christian teaching. There's a difference between being a person who makes mistakes and a person engaged in a lifestyle incompatible with his claimed beliefs with no effort made to make the necessary changes to bring his actions into alignment with his purported beliefs.

Of course, there's always the option to bend over backwards to show that the Bible has never specifically outlawed sex outside of marriage for men by completely ignoring the spirit of the Gospel and depending entirely on perceived "loopholes."

[Dragan]

Doing God's work sharing the gospel with the fairer sex.

[Bain]

This conflict is not just in the Christian religion but in many other religions also. It creates a conflict in values. This internal conflict that men experience however goes back in history since the beginning of religion. It is not new in this modern age only. So really there are no easy answers and there never has been. Many men of the past, present and future have been and will continue to be destroyed by it. Women also experience the inner conflict probably a lot more than men.The best one can do is try to be aware of how the conflicts pull you apart and work with them instead of denying them. After all in the end it is a game. Those who deny often get destroyed the most.

[Tiger Man]

(04-14-2018 09:10 PM)Suits Wrote:  

You can't be a Christian and engage in a lifestyle fundamentally at odds with Christian teaching. There's a difference between being a person who makes mistakes and a person engaged in a lifestyle incompatible with his claimed beliefs with no effort made to make the necessary changes to bring his actions into alignment with his purported beliefs.

Of course, there's always the option to bend over backwards to show that the Bible has never specifically outlawed sex outside of marriage for men by completely ignoring the spirit of the Gospel and depending entirely on perceived "loopholes."

Agree.

On the forum and ROK, there are thousands of posts by men who are decrying the lack of virtue or values in women. A stereotype (for a reason) is the "church girl" who is all smiles and apple pie in public, but is secretly screwing 4-5 Chads behind her obedient "waiting" boyfriend's back. This issue is brought more in to focus when, very rarely, one meets a religious girl who is actually playing by the rules. So, most religious women can do it, they choose not to. The reasons for this have been debated to death on this forum.

But, it is largely the same for men. I don't think you can espouse a certain faith, and then say that select precepts of that faith do not apply to you. And, you are giving a pass to yourself alone, because I find it hard to believe that anyone of a "serious" faith would be okay with their girlfriend or wife getting the same pass.

To answer the original poster, I don't think you can unless you don't close or you are only gaming for LTR -> marriage. I know and have known a few guys who fit this description. I am talking about guys who actually had pretty good game, but they would never close. They just wanted to build up that reserve, as they thought it would be useful once they found "her".

[TooFineAPoint]

The central message of the gospels is that humans are fallible and there is no salvation except through the grace of Christ.

It would be better, if you can't resist the temptations of flesh, that you get married with a woman who can help you, as you help her... says St Paul.

Beating yourself up for understanding what makes women tick is something you'll choose to add on your own.

I've added this on my own:
- if she's already not a virgin, fuck away
- if she's a virgin, see if it is for family raising purposes, and if it checks outs, support her

I'm sure there is a church girl out there screwing 4 Chads behind her boyfriend's back. But I'll relate what is closer to my experience (which is, in itself, a logical fallacy... being a very small sample size):

a confused and young girl fucks her church boyfriend that she is in love with, and maybe they end up together or maybe they don't. And if they do, maybe it works or maybe they become miserable shells of themselves.

My very honest and earnest advice, as a guy who is going to be very close to 40 in a few weeks, is that you stop picturing all women as the margins-icon of dirty, cheating whore, and start engaging with the actual person.

[EndsExpect]

(04-14-2018 09:10 PM)Suits Wrote:  

You can't be a Christian and engage in a lifestyle fundamentally at odds with Christian teaching. There's a difference between being a person who makes mistakes and a person engaged in a lifestyle incompatible with his claimed beliefs with no effort made to make the necessary changes to bring his actions into alignment with his purported beliefs.
Of course, there's always the option to bend over backwards to show that the Bible has never specifically outlawed sex outside of marriage for men by completely ignoring the spirit of the Gospel and depending entirely on perceived "loopholes."

The central message of Christianity is forgiveness is it not?

As long as you are not dead then there is still time to fully convert and give up the sinful lifestyle. This is how my carnal Christian friends used to describe their thinking to me.

Bottom line is this... if you don't learn how to deal with women, then you will have problems later on. Church does not change a woman's fundamental nature, it just puts a filter on it. I've seen plenty of church going women commit adultery.

[MOVSM]

Christian women have not had womanness bred out of them. They still need to be gamed, even within closed marriage. Game and Cristianlity are not mutually exclusive.

Here is a Christian married man's blog on Game:

Jesus and the socio-sexual hiearchy

[BlackFriar]

Look at it like this: God made you to be everything that he created you to be. If you are not getting the most out of your life, you are waisting your talents. It is none of my business to judge some one on which way they fulfill their potential. But we are all given a life to live. We all have unlimited potential. God blesses those that rise up and are thankful to Him and grow in abundance. God owns it all. Why would you be punished for doing something that was made for human enjoyment. This world was origionally created as a paradise for mankind.

Also consider that there are wars, rapes and murders every day. God controls everything. Am I going to try to understand why God allows pain, suffereing, death and also rewards people who seek the greatest fulfillment in life, as long as you acknowlede God? No, I will not.

I will just trust and have child like faith. Use references in the Bible like the parable of the servants and the talents. Go forth in your life to be all that you can be. Live abundantly. Get all that you can, in Life. Give all that you can, in life. But, do not seek the provisions, seek the provider.

Realize that money, success, pussy are all just tools to be enjoyed in life. If you do not let the desire to get them control your life, God will let you handle a lot of them.

[N°6]

“And you will desire to control your husband, but he will rule over you." Genesis 3:16 NLT

[BlackFriar]

Joel Osteen on Abundance Mentality:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=625s&v=_5ZJNYRYfOk

[debeguiled]

(04-14-2018 09:10 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Of course, there's always the option to bend over backwards to show that the Bible has never specifically outlawed sex outside of marriage for men by completely ignoring the spirit of the Gospel and depending entirely on perceived "loopholes."

No one we know would do that.

[The Catalyst]

(04-15-2018 11:59 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 09:10 PM)Suits Wrote:  

Of course, there's always the option to bend over backwards to show that the Bible has never specifically outlawed sex outside of marriage for men by completely ignoring the spirit of the Gospel and depending entirely on perceived "loopholes."

No one we know would do that.

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[Quizzical_2]

Haha. I saw that thread before I was even a part of this forum. That Sam guy made a few interesting points, but I think he was ultimately refuted by some members, that he also never addressed.

[blck]

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[Tiger Man]

(04-15-2018 12:18 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  

The central message of the gospels is that humans are fallible and there is no salvation except through the grace of Christ.

It would be better, if you can't resist the temptations of flesh, that you get married with a woman who can help you, as you help her... says St Paul.

Beating yourself up for understanding what makes women tick is something you'll choose to add on your own.

I've added this on my own:
- if she's already not a virgin, fuck away
- if she's a virgin, see if it is for family raising purposes, and if it checks outs, support her

I'm sure there is a church girl out there screwing 4 Chads behind her boyfriend's back. But I'll relate what is closer to my experience (which is, in itself, a logical fallacy... being a very small sample size):

a confused and young girl fucks her church boyfriend that she is in love with, and maybe they end up together or maybe they don't. And if they do, maybe it works or maybe they become miserable shells of themselves.

My very honest and earnest advice, as a guy who is going to be very close to 40 in a few weeks, is that you stop picturing all women as the margins-icon of dirty, cheating whore, and start engaging with the actual person.

I actually agree with everything you said. I didn't mean to paint a picture that all these "church girls" are out picking up double digit notch counts. It is, actually, not that bad.

Whenever I was presenting sex statistics to a group, I would get comments and questions on the group of women who have "only" 2 or 3 or 4 lifetime sexual partners. These church girls comprise a lot of that group. They don't wait for marriage, but they do only have sex with men they think they might or probably will marry. As a result, you get a lower number. There exists an entire group of men and women that trend to sexual conservatism. We just don't often see it portrayed in the media, and, if you are, say, exclusively night gaming, you won't meet a lot of them.