[godfather dust]

The mainstream medical view on depression is ass-backwards.
"Depression is caused by serotonin deficiency."

Ok, what causes serotonin deficiency? Your life or health are probably fucked up in some way which led to this.

For example, if every psychiatrist who had a fat person walk into their office said "Lose weight, you will be happier, if not come see me" scripts for all these pills would drop drastically.

Or if every dope smoking minimum wage guy was told "Put down the weed if it's making you lazy. Get a real job or some education, you are depressed and anxious because you are failing at life so far" the same would apply.

Pills should be the very last thing that is tried.

I have been seeing the same doctor for years. He's a bit of a red pilled guy (Sikh, maybe it's his culture) and every time I go in for pain or injury he teaches me exercises and at most gives me a cortisol shot, never goes straight to the pain pills (never given me a script for those.)

[SamuelBRoberts]

(04-12-2018 05:03 PM)kosko Wrote:  

This is false. In the American experience, it was African-Americans who had their communities gutted first. What we see happening in White American communities is the same plan that was done onto African-American communities decades prior.

You're correct that blacks have been the first to have their communities destroyed. Everything whites have suffered due to globalism, modernism, and open borders, blacks have suffered twice. It used to be that they knew it, too. (Somewhere in my old college library at my parents house I have a book written by black rights activists from the middle of the last century, and damn, if you think I'm against immigration, these guys would've made a wall on the southern border out of Mexicans impaled on stakes.) One of the biggest questions I've never been able to resolve is how blacks went from staunch, militaristic defenders of their own interests to selling out their own communities to globalism. I keep meaning to look it up, but it's such a political incorrect topic that I don't even know if any books have been written on it. If you know, kosko, I'd love to hear it, since it's been something I've been wondering about for years.

That said, blacks are a minority among minorities in the US now. The US is about 63% white and 37% minority, and only 12% black. The remainder are mostly relatively recent transplants, mostly Latino and Asian, who presumably haven't been here long enough to have their social structures destroyed.

[Gimlet]

(04-12-2018 06:45 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 05:03 PM)kosko Wrote:  

This is false. In the American experience, it was African-Americans who had their communities gutted first. What we see happening in White American communities is the same plan that was done onto African-American communities decades prior.

You're correct that blacks have been the first to have their communities destroyed. Everything whites have suffered due to globalism, modernism, and open borders, blacks have suffered twice. It used to be that they knew it, too. (Somewhere in my old college library at my parents house I have a book written by black rights activists from the middle of the last century, and damn, if you think I'm against immigration, these guys would've made a wall on the southern border out of Mexicans impaled on stakes.) One of the biggest questions I've never been able to resolve is how blacks went from staunch, militaristic defenders of their own interests to selling out their own communities to globalism. I keep meaning to look it up, but it's such a political incorrect topic that I don't even know if any books have been written on it. If you know, kosko, I'd love to hear it, since it's been something I've been wondering about for years.

A good place to start is the 1978 publication of the book Black Macho and the Myth of the Superwoman.



Here is the description from a recent reprint (an exerpt):

"[Author]Michele Wallace blasted the masculine biases of the black politics that emerged from the sixties. She described how women remained marginalized by the patriarchal culture of Black Power, demonstrating the ways in which a genuine female subjectivity was blocked by the traditional myths of black womanhood."

Sound familiar as a strategy for destruction of the family, replacing men with the state when you look around today?

By the way, it was featured as a cover on Ms. Magazine - Gloria Steinem's rag. Steinem, a known CIA operative, in fact heavily promoted the book.



Most people were later of the belief that Steinem was the ghostwriter of that book. There's no proof. But for a 25 year old author to get lauded in the press as The leader of black feminism is rather suspicious.

[Gray Beard]

(04-11-2018 08:34 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Avoid all drugs, whenever possible. Doctors are glorified drug pushers.

To make a long story relatively short, I was born with a lung defect that was probably a form of Bronchopulmonary dysplasia. On top of this, I had a severe case of asthma and was "born wheezing." They thought it might have been cystic fibrosis at first.

A Harvard-educated doctor from Johns Hopkins told me at about age 25 that I was among the worst cases he ever saw. He put me on a high dose of Theophylline. It worked.

After about five years of feeling normal, I asked him "When can I stop taking this?" "Never," he replied.

But since the meds finally allowed me to breathe, I had taken up running. I noticed after a few years that it 1). Drastically increased my lung capacity and 2). Caused the (super thick and gross) mucus in my lungs to be more "transient" (i.e. I could cough it up).

When I told the doc this, he told me I was dreaming. He said that running was probably just spiking my natural adrenaline and I thought it was helping, but it couldn't be. (These back-and-forth arguments between us went on for years.)

But I persisted. And I saw my lung capacity grow more when I measured it on my little "spirometer." I instinctively knew I didn't need to be on meds. Plus, the side effects started getting to me. I was getting headaches and going to the bathroom way too much. So, on Jan. 4, 2003 I decided to just stop taking them period.

(Sidenote: Part of the reason I stopped is that my local pharmacy stopped hiring cute girls. It was an odd, but genuine incentive not to want to pick up my meds anymore.)

Come the evening of Jan. 4, 2003 I waited for trouble. But nothing happened. The next day, I expected to wake up violently wheezing, like when I was a teenager. Didn't happen.

I checked my lungs the next day: Normal. I went running: Still normal. And I continued to be normal. For the first time in my life I was med-free and could breathe.

When I went back to the doc, he hooked me up to a computerized machine that measured all areas of my lungs. Turned out I did, in fact, "normalize" them to a large degree. They'll never be 100 percent because of all the scar tissue. But it's been 15 years and still no meds.

And yet this all happened in a vacuum. There are no "studies" showing this works. The doc said I was a "miracle" and an "anomaly" and should have stayed on meds. Also, lungs get less elastic as you age, so he even said he expected to raise my dose.

But am I that strange? Or did I just beat the odds by using my brain and using the doctor as a "coach" and not a messiah or glorified drug pusher? I wonder how many people live on these meds and don't need to.

If I can get off meds, there is hope for a lot of others. Granted, diabetics and people like that are stuck on meds. But my general feeling is that doctors are generally lazy and would rather write out 'scripts than work with patients on how to avoid pills.

Granted, this has little to do with the topic at hand, but it's a pet subject of mine that's commonly dismissed by the "head meds" crowd who think pills solve things. They can help, but just as often cause other troubles. Maybe it can help someone here, though.

Great post but why do you think diabetics and people like that are stuck on meds? Perhaps you are thinking about Type I, who really need insulin to live, but even they can reduce the amount of insulin they need considerably. A few years ago, I was diagnosed with diabetes type II. I decided to avoid pills and instead went on a low carb, high fat diet (aka Atkins Diet). Although my intention was to reduce the sugar in my blood, as a side effect I lost 25% of my weight over 5 years (my BMI dropped from over 28 to 21). But right from the start of my diet regime, I became symptom free. Recently I decided to check again whether I am still diabetic and the tests came back clean. In other words, by the evidence, the low carb diet removed my symptoms from day one, and the subsequent weight loss removed the disease. (With type I diabetes, insulin is required, no doubt, but on Atkins Diet one would need less insulin.)

By the way, it was the nurse who informed me originally that I had diabetes and only after finding it out I realized that I suffered from various high sugar symptoms. She invited me to see the doctor for treatment. I said, I will see you in a few months, and started the diet first. By the time I saw the doctor there were no symptoms and the blood test came back with a comment that I had excellent control but if that was achieved by pills I was in danger of hypoglycemia.

If there are any diabetics or pre-diabetics here, there is a book about the subject, and almost needless to say, also a lot of controversy. I am not a medical doctor and I can only testify to my personal experience: for me it worked. Anyway, the title is: "Atkins Diabetic Revolution," written by Vernon and Eberstein with a 2004 copyright.

[Fortis]

(04-12-2018 06:45 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 05:03 PM)kosko Wrote:  

This is false. In the American experience, it was African-Americans who had their communities gutted first. What we see happening in White American communities is the same plan that was done onto African-American communities decades prior.

You're correct that blacks have been the first to have their communities destroyed. Everything whites have suffered due to globalism, modernism, and open borders, blacks have suffered twice. It used to be that they knew it, too. (Somewhere in my old college library at my parents house I have a book written by black rights activists from the middle of the last century, and damn, if you think I'm against immigration, these guys would've made a wall on the southern border out of Mexicans impaled on stakes.) One of the biggest questions I've never been able to resolve is how blacks went from staunch, militaristic defenders of their own interests to selling out their own communities to globalism. I keep meaning to look it up, but it's such a political incorrect topic that I don't even know if any books have been written on it. If you know, kosko, I'd love to hear it, since it's been something I've been wondering about for years.

That said, blacks are a minority among minorities in the US now. The US is about 63% white and 37% minority, and only 12% black. The remainder are mostly relatively recent transplants, mostly Latino and Asian, who presumably haven't been here long enough to have their social structures destroyed.

A big part of this is the crack epidemic. It created a gulf between the generations where you had kids raising kids again. That hardly works out in the end. When all the dads are hooked on drugs, in jail or running the streets and the women are left to their own hypergamous devices you have Black America today. It isn't 100% to blame, of course, but whenever the government wants to roll out some weird experiment, they tend to do it in the Black community and then eventually push it on Whites.

The flip side is that if you ever want to know what's coming down the pipe for the rest of America, keep an eye on the Black community and you'll get some hints.

There was a book i read called "Dark Alliances" By Gary Webb. He was a journalist who was pushing the CIA & Crack link way before most people. This book doesn't focus so much on the Black community but more about Freeway Rick Ross and his connections to the government.

Of course, Webb ended up with 2 bullets to the back of the head. It was ruled a suicide.

[godzilla]

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2...rexanolone

Quote:

About one in seven women who have a baby go on to experience the black cloud of postpartum depression. More intense and persistent than the “baby blues,” PPD, as it’s known, can strain a mom’s ability to care for herself and her new baby, flooding her with a paralyzing, “breathtaking sadness,” as one mom called it.

To date, there’s been no antidepressant specifically designed for these new moms. So many women are prescribed drugs that were approved for the general population. That means it’s not clear they’re safe or effective, and they don’t always work.

On Tuesday, the Food and Drug Administration approved brexanolone. Sold under the brand name Zulresso, by Sage Therapeutics, it’ll be the first drug targeting moms with postpartum depression when it hits the market, probably in late June. The medication, which is given intravenously by infusion, seems to act much faster than other antidepressants: within three days as opposed to weeks. Women who received the drug in clinical studies also reported their mood was better for up to a month after the infusion.

“Postpartum depression is a serious condition that, when severe, can be life-threatening. Women may experience thoughts about harming themselves or harming their child,” said Tiffany Farchione, the acting director of the Division of Psychiatry Products in the FDA’s Center for Drug Evaluation and Research. “This approval ... [provides] an important new treatment option.”

But the new drug also requires a lot of women: their time and money. And ultimately, brexanolone’s costs may be too prohibitive to reach the moms who’d benefit most.

The drug costs $34,000 per patient without insurance, according to Sage Therapeutics. Even if a woman prescribed the drug can find a way to pay for it, or her insurance company decides to cover it, she would need to check herself into a hospital or clinic that’s certified to deliver brexanolone, and stay connected to an infusion drip for 60 hours under medical supervision. Brexanolone also has side effects, including passing out. So women need to be constantly accompanied by someone else if they bring their newborns with them.

Pretty interesting drug got approved yesterday. The CEO even said this "would help get women back to work quicker" when he was on Cramer. Probably a good investment, the way western societies are headed.

[Laner]

Women need these drugs in order to rip their babies from them so they can feel OK with going back to work for some guy.

I hear women talk about postpartum, and they all fit the image; upper-middle class, high stress, shallow. On the flip side, the stay at home moms my wife spends time with go through the ups and downs, but the downs are short lived as the moods of the kids swing about on their hourly cycles.

In short: Stay at home moms probably have almost zero need for these drugs.

[Captain Gh]

34K for a Freakin Drug? In my Nate Diaz voice: I'm Surprised Motha****as!!!

[BeardedMastodon]

I am 2 weeks in quitting one... nearly as bad as opiods. This is the only AD that’s been tough for me to quit. But mood swings, extreme depression, my mind feeling open and or closed off (cycling between the two), sweats, nueasua, major insomnia ( not sleeping till 6am. Good thing I work part time).

Moral of the story if you are struggling with depression get COMPLETE Blood and nutritional testing. Depression is a symptom of something else wrong... not a cause in its self. So find the cause and find the right supplement and or lifestyle change.

PM me for more information. I am always hear for anyone struggling with depression, depersonalization or OCD.

[BeardedMastodon]

(04-12-2018 09:42 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

Antidepressants should not even exist in my opinion.

There are very good documentaries out there which clearly show the negative effects of those meds.

And the funny thing is that almost all depressions can be cured (at least the physiological part) with:

+ high-dosage multivitamin mineral
+ l-tryptophan at doses fo 500-2000mg
+ vitamin D3 at doses of 5000IU or enough sunlight
+ vitamin K2 extra if you take daily D3

http://www.doctoryourself.com/depression.html

That's it. In most cases it takes 2-3 days for the person to feel better.

If have recommended it to a few folk and they responded the same way - one in a deep depression (took 3 days to feel better) and the other had even schizophrenia (the other meds may be moderately useful, but additional antidepressants are not).

The first person with the severe depression later said that it is impossible that supplements could have worked so fast and so well, when it takes the far more superior and "scientifically peer-reviewed" antidepressants a few weeks and they are less effective. She talked with doctors and they assured her that it must be psychosomatic. Well - except I have the info from other doctors too and they have thousands of results across the last decades.

The problem is of course that my solution above cannot be patented and costs a few dollars per month while the other is patent-friendly and kills off the useless eaters quicker anyway (most of those drugs have tremendous side-effects that certainly will give you an earlier death).

That mostly childless women would go for it is no surprise - they are the unhappiest demographic past 40. My guess is also that many divorced single mothers are also among that bunch. Feminism and girl-power is great for any woman below 30.

And then when they hit the low, then the for-profit-depopulating-pension-saving globalist medical system will recommend them antidepressants since alternative decent doctors like orthomolecular ones are rare. Then they are hooked on the drugs and it gets even worse.

Certianly these supplements are a good start. But it’s not that simple...

I have been taking 2000mg of L-tryptophan for the past 1.5 months. Some days I take 4000mg a few days in a row... nothing. Along with every other supplement you mentioned and 20 more

Depressions has many causes, so supplement regimen will indeed be different for each person. It really comes down to trying every damn thing possible while being guided by testing (blood, nutritional).

[Nord619]

I only ever took anti-depressants once. I took the small pill before leaving for work one morning. During the drive, the effects started to take hold. It was the same as MDMA. The yellow haze of vision, my jaw wouldn't stop grinding and I had a mountain of energy. I didn't want to sit still. I came down about 4 hours later and felt like utter dog shit. I knew, if you take these things day in day out it would do some serious damage. I couldn't believe how powerful and potent these little bastards were.

[CynicalContrarian]

Then there's the idea that most people don't just get Xanax for eg.
They get Xanax, then have an adverse reaction, so they get a second pill to take the edge off.
Yet that second type may have an unexpected result, so good ol' "doctor" tests out a third.

Before they know it, the poor NPC patient is ingesting a whole cocktail as opposed to a simple - "harden the fuck up!"


Joe Rogan Experience #968 - Kelly Brogan

Kelly Brogan, M.D. is a holistic women’s health psychiatrist and author of the NY Times Bestselling book, A Mind of Your Own :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cunSB69gaec

[Gremlin]

(04-12-2018 06:45 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 05:03 PM)kosko Wrote:  

This is false. In the American experience, it was African-Americans who had their communities gutted first. What we see happening in White American communities is the same plan that was done onto African-American communities decades prior.

You're correct that blacks have been the first to have their communities destroyed. Everything whites have suffered due to globalism, modernism, and open borders, blacks have suffered twice. It used to be that they knew it, too. (Somewhere in my old college library at my parents house I have a book written by black rights activists from the middle of the last century, and damn, if you think I'm against immigration, these guys would've made a wall on the southern border out of Mexicans impaled on stakes.) One of the biggest questions I've never been able to resolve is how blacks went from staunch, militaristic defenders of their own interests to selling out their own communities to globalism. I keep meaning to look it up, but it's such a political incorrect topic that I don't even know if any books have been written on it. If you know, kosko, I'd love to hear it, since it's been something I've been wondering about for years.

That said, blacks are a minority among minorities in the US now. The US is about 63% white and 37% minority, and only 12% black. The remainder are mostly relatively recent transplants, mostly Latino and Asian, who presumably haven't been here long enough to have their social structures destroyed.

The answer seems to point to Martin Luther King selling out to the establishment and proclaiming the Equality myth/religion and "we're all in this together" hippie horse shit to his people, who ever since then, made him their martyr when they would have been better off following Malcolm X, who saw through the white liberal establishment and wanted separation.

[MrLemon]

(03-20-2019 06:50 PM)Laner Wrote:  

Women need these drugs in order to rip their babies from them so they can feel OK with going back to work for some guy.

I hear women talk about postpartum, and they all fit the image; upper-middle class, high stress, shallow. On the flip side, the stay at home moms my wife spends time with go through the ups and downs, but the downs are short lived as the moods of the kids swing about on their hourly cycles.

In short: Stay at home moms probably have almost zero need for these drugs.

Great points.

Mothers have very flexible emotions, they have to, in order to raise kids. The unnatural thing is for them to go back to office work and have those emotions be subjected to the workplace. To stay healthy, mothers should be doing housework, knitting socks, baking cookies, or working in a garden... not talking with clients and being bitchy.

On a related note, I saw when my friends were having kids, that ALL the career women had difficult pregnancies or, in many cases, malformed babies. My wife and others like her, that were NOT working mothers, had regular healthy pregnancies. Of course now those working women with malformed babies are spending hundreds of thousands and dealing with endless misery. Their children are damaged for all of their lives, because mom was too fucking selfish about her career and not willing to give her pregnancy the few extra months it needed. Or more likely her doctors and family were too cowardly to tell her to quit. Of course you NEVER hear about this in the press.

[Garuda]

I hope mothers who take that new drug don't breast feed their kids afterwards. Then again most of these drugs are already in the water supply since treatment plants do not filter them all the way out.

Remember antidepressants have been linked with violent crime including mass shootings. So not only do these pills make the elite money but function as a tool to take away gun rights as well.

http://www.ssristories.net/

[Bananaman711]

Isn't a depression only a symptom, unless you attack the root cause of your depression, anxiety and misery it will not get fixed and problem is "solved" as long as you keep on taking meds

Quit social media, porn, video games and start having real social life with real punani..social media and porn are fake, its virtual and damaging

[Isaac Jordan]

(03-23-2019 12:51 AM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  

Isn't a depression only a symptom, unless you attack the root cause of your depression, anxiety and misery it will not get fixed and problem is "solved" as long as you keep on taking meds

Yep, and I'm sure that's exactly how the drug companies want it to be.

I have quite a few acquaintances on anti-depressants who drink all weekend, eat shit food, smoke cigarettes, rarely exercise, don't get enough sleep or sunlight, work jobs they hate, lack meaning and purpose in their life, and generally refuse to even try fixing any of these in an effort to solve their problems.

And then they complain when the magic pill their doc prescribes doesn't immediately change their life into sunshine and rainbows. Go figure.

[Bluto]

I am surprised that this has not been trotted out just yet.

He was kind of enthusiastic about taking AD drugs as an emergency function, but the take-away that I got from this was that if you life is fucked, no pill can fix that. Get working on your life to make you feel better about yourself. Only agree to anti-depressants if you are about ready to eat a bullet, and even then, ask why are you thinking about taking a bullet. On another note, if the pill is not making you feel better, than you are probably not clinically(chemically?) depressed. Get off of the drug and go back to fixing your life instead.

When you are taking these drugs for years on end, I have to ask are these drugs basically "Soma" from "Brave New World?" They seem to perform the same function, as both make you feel better about how crappy your life really is.

Given the graphs earlier in this post, I am not surprised by the fact that the gender and age people who frequently use this drug chronically. We are talking about 40+ women(read Post-Wall, Gen-X) who are realizing that their life is not that great and that they pissed their time on this planet away chasing after a career and/or the delusion of waiting on some prince charming who never came. I have seen a few in home care takers who fit this bill,(40+, unmarried) and I can assure you that they are as crazy as you can imagine. The only sane one was some lady who knew that she was no real catch and accepted a de-facto nun lifestyle instead.

[MrLemon]

Don't know if this has been covered already, but almost all schools in the United States *relentlessly* shove ADD and anti-depressents on the kids. ADD for the boys, anti-depressents for the teen girls.

This is not even a joke or an exaggeration. I've seen it in person. Absolutely relentless. I know parents who have threatened to have school officials arrested for "prescribing without a medical license". School teachers, counselors, and vice-priciples will sit down with some parent, and seriously, seriously try to browbeat the parent into putting kid X on ADD drugs. "We've seen a lot of this" they say. "Your child is a classic Autistic/Asberger's spectrum. Trust us". Pediatricians for many years would take the teacher's written recommendation as all the proof they need to prescribe (some pedicatricians are actually stopping this now because it's being called out by the doctor community, but the teachers are still completely unwilling to admit guilt.

Usually it's the moms (instead of the Dads) who give into this pressure, for all the same reasons that women always give in to the pressure of authority figures. Amazing number of parents who subsequently fight like crazy, serious relationship damage, because the dad refuses to put his kid on drugs and the mom demands it happens. I think you see those cases where a divorced couple get into court over it.

WHY do teachers want kids on ADD drugs? Becuase the kid is refusing to do the horrific masses of homework that the asshole teachers dump on kids. The reason for the homework is to push the school's ratings higher on the internet. High ratings = higher property values for the neighborhood and thus higher teacher salaries. Asian communities (tiger moms) are notorious for this.

The net result, most high schools are wildly addicted now to speed...it's the automatic outgrowth of ADD meds. Kids sell the pills to each other. Just ask a teen about it. They will laugh and say "are you fucking kidding me...EVERYBODY is on speed".

Of course that means suicides. Go to "high end" schools in Connecticutt or Southern California -- the high school suicide rate is off the chart.

Killing off your kids to raise your property values. That is America today.

[Polniy_Sostav]

Guys , the USA looks like a circus when I read you.
I encourage all of you to move away from this country or to gather somewhere where you won't have this delirium .

One thing I have noticed is how women are usually prompt to take "something" as soon as they have a running nose. As if they couldnt wait 2 days to heal...

[MrLemon]

(03-24-2019 12:21 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

Guys , the USA looks like a circus when I read you.
I encourage all of you to move away from this country or to gather somewhere where you won't have this delirium .

One thing I have noticed is how women are usually prompt to take "something" as soon as they have a running nose. As if they couldnt wait 2 days to heal...

Yeahhhhh...but I'm not convinced it's that much better elsewhere. I've heard that in France, the "pill popping" thing is rampant.

At least in the US I know the legal system and can always move to Montana or Nevada. Every state is different. But that's me.

[PUA_Rachacha]

(03-24-2019 09:20 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

Yeahhhhh...but I'm not convinced it's that much better elsewhere. I've heard that in France, the "pill popping" thing is rampant.

I've got close French friends that live in New York that state that French people are on a lot more prescriptions than Americans. They more readily get on meds for mood disorders too. This is all anecdotal though.

I used to live in Germany, and there mental disease is not discussed at all. Psychiatrists and therapists are frowned upon, and there's definitely a stigma associated with mental disease. I bet that prescriptions for anti-depressants are much lower in Germany than in France.

When I was filling out my paperwork to get German health insurance my insurance rep told me not to fill out the form stating that I was ever diagnosed with depression. He said that any private health insurance company would automatically deny the application if they saw that. When asked why he said b/c depressed people are generally more suicidal. I didn't see how ending your life had anything to do with health insurance (life insurance I can completely understand).

One of the reasons I moved to Germany was that I was depressed living in New York City and needed to get away. Within about four weeks of moving there my depression lifted and I felt great the entire time I lived there. People work hard, but they get a lot of vacation. And if you're sick, you're sick, you can never be fired or demoted for that. And the lifestyle of sport clubs after high school, hiking, beer, wine and Xmas festivals, etc. just made me really enjoy my life there. Also being about an 8hr flight away from Asia and a 4hr drive to the Alps made vacation much more enjoyable than in the States.

I keep trying to convince my wife to move back to Europe (she's from the Baltics), but she likes living in NYC. I make a ton more money here too than I ever could in Germany. But I teeter on the edge of mild depression constantly. Eventually I'll get my way since my life is not actually that enjoyable...

[SlickyBoy]

(03-24-2019 11:56 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

Don't know if this has been covered already, but almost all schools in the United States *relentlessly* shove ADD and anti-depressents on the kids. ADD for the boys, anti-depressents for the teen girls.

.....

WHY do teachers want kids on ADD drugs? Becuase the kid is refusing to do the horrific masses of homework that the asshole teachers dump on kids. The reason for the homework is to push the school's ratings higher on the internet. High ratings = higher property values for the neighborhood and thus higher teacher salaries. Asian communities (tiger moms) are notorious for this.

Except that the Asian kids doing the "horrific masses of homework" actually do it and don't wind up on the pills nearly as often as the white kids. I don't know where you are, but the white parents near me seem to care more about football games, bake sales and cheer leading than whether or not their kids are actually learning. When you consider who the parents are, it all comes together. See the graph in the first post of this thread - divorced moms on psychiatric meds, consumed with their own vanity.

The parents who actually care enough about education wind up home schooling or sending their kids to private/parochial schools - if they can afford it.

Any rise in genuine autism probably has more to do with women having babies in their thirties instead of their twenties (and possibly being on pills themselves). But yes there are plenty of bullshit diagnoses too. ADD is chalked up as an "autism spectrum disorder" which clouds the stats.

Put the boys on ADD meds and they become easier to manage. Put them on SSRIs and they become school shooters (fact). Either way, schools often get extra money from the state when they have a few special needs kids in the mix, since they justify support personnel and add to the teacher union rolls. I heard of one woman hired to give an "autistic" kid back rubs while he was in math class. Teachers don't need to worry about student competency, they simply inflate the grades and hand out participation trophies left and right. Colleges rely on the SAT scores even less than before, so even the valedictorian who thinks she's top of her game winds up struggling at an actual college in a real major (seen it happen).

The graph on the original post is from 2014. Given the trend line, I bet that med use statistic is now probably closer to 70% of all white middle aged females.

[Laner]

Teachers have become some sort of poster child for the overworked - under payed. They aren't, but they are forever touted around like they are.

This, coupled with a 'magic bullet' that is 1) Helpful, and 2) Favorable, means that they can cry overwork while at the same time subdue the unruly (boys) from their day. Its a win/win for the teachers. They feel powerful. They are the real victims, overcoming the difficulty in dealing with such difficult kids and parents.

A friend of mine was concerned with autism as she had her two daughters in her late 30's. She is also a teacher. It all came together for her when she began taking on more special needs classes, which consist mostly of highly autistic kids. What she learned over the years is that autistic parents create autistic kids. Anecdotal evidence aside, I believe its true. Everyone with some level of self awareness and success in their life is at least a little but autistic. So when you factor in age - where life experience teaches you to be far more careful - it comes across like its old people having autistic kids. But my instincts tells me its older parents listening more to their autistic overbearing actions and this rubs off on their kids.

The amount of times I have looked into a kids eyes and seen the eyes of an old man is saddening. Kids allowed to be kids is becoming a rare thing.

[MrLemon]

(03-26-2019 03:32 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 11:56 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

Don't know if this has been covered already, but almost all schools in the United States *relentlessly* shove ADD and anti-depressents on the kids. ADD for the boys, anti-depressents for the teen girls.

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WHY do teachers want kids on ADD drugs? Becuase the kid is refusing to do the horrific masses of homework that the asshole teachers dump on kids. The reason for the homework is to push the school's ratings higher on the internet. High ratings = higher property values for the neighborhood and thus higher teacher salaries. Asian communities (tiger moms) are notorious for this.

Except that the Asian kids doing the "horrific masses of homework" actually do it and don't wind up on the pills nearly as often as the white kids.

Or they commit suicide. There's a rash of that in my are (LA area).

I'd rather have bake sales and football games quite frankly. Doing a ton of homework and getting A's in every class is actually *not* a success strategy in the US workforce. The kids who play ball and Bs and Cs will out-earn the A student generally. That's the nature of the American economy.