[Soma]

Ice Man and Mercenary, take the disagreement to PMs. Any further derailing of the thread will be met with suspensions.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Excellent vid related to the shooting and the natural monopoly of Youtube.
AH makes a good point that companies like Windows, Google, Youtube, Facebook are so-called natural monopolies that were bound to happen.

There is a good reason why they developed and if they had not been founded by Bill Gates or by Sugarmountain, then some competitor would have taken their place anyway.

Windows was popular because a graphic operation system was bound to happen and word and excel were bound to be developed, because people and companies want compatibility. The same goes for search engines and Facebook.

The current natural monopoly of Youtube is somehow seen as being founded by genius men who believe that they are the biggest most smug geniuses and now decide to censor any user they don't seem to be fit executing supreme rule.

But essentially they are akin to a supermarket in a small village. Only because they are the only natural monopoly in that village because a town does not support 2 supermarkets, then that does not mean that this supermarket can now decide who to sell to, what to sell without respect for their clients etc.

If those buggers overdo it and the people boycott that natural monopoly and instantly move to a different supermarket, then that supermarket and that Youtube or Facebook is gone tomorrow. If both sites are deleted tomorrow, then by next week vimeo or Bitchute would be the new natural monopoly.

Would the founder of Vimeo be then the smug super-genius that Zuckerberg thinks he is? It's about as preposterous as the founder of the local village supermarket thinking that he is the genius businessman for opening that shop first.

The Iranian woman snapped partly because the natural monopoly supermarket of Youtube put up a sign at their door, that autistic Iranian radical vegans are not going to be served there.

[rotekz]

YouTube is a monopoly because it is making a huge loss. It will never make a profit and that is fine with the (((owners))). They want to hold the monopoly so they can shape all the narratives though selective censorship and the bullying of professional content creators with demonetisation.

Competitors simply cannot afford the losses involved in large scale video hosting. The bandwidth costs massively outstrip any returns in advertising. The only hope is that Trump takes an axe to the monopolies reclassifying them as public utilities.

[kbell]

[url=https://twitter.com/PIeaseNoBan/status/981503917170229248][/url]

[Jetset]

A little off-topic, but an excellent example of police putting resources into "this guy is scaring us" calls appropriately. Started with a gun shop owner getting a bad vibe, refusing to make a sale, and getting the license plate. By the time it was over, they were tracking the suspect's whereabouts and cooperated with the university and the federal government to have him suspended from his university and then deported when he tried to come back from spring break.

http://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/...oting.html

Quote:

Police didn't have enough for a search warrant -- acting suspicious and wanting to buy a rifle wasn't enough to suggest anything criminal, McGork said.

But authorities were able to find out that Zhan had sought psychiatric care at two different facilities recently. Those records showed he described drinking, suicidal thoughts, major depression, thoughts of driving a car into a tree, feelings like he might lose control and violence toward no one in particular, McGork said.

Mental health professionals agreed: Zhan wasn't someone who should have a gun, McGork said. That allowed authorities to put him on a list that prohibited stores from selling him a gun.

But police were still concerned he could find another way. And they still hadn't caught up to him.

Further investigation revealed that Zhan had also gone to Dick's Sporting Goods at Destiny USA and asked about a specific assault rifle.

When told it couldn't be sold to him, Zhan left, McGork said.

On March 16, police were contacted by an employee of Creekwalk Commons. An alarm had gone off in Zhan's room. When no one was there, the employee used a master key to get in.

And inside, the worker found ammunition.

Fortunately, by then, authorities had discovered Zhan's whereabouts: he was still in Mexico on spring vacation.

Friends there had contacted SU on March 16 concerned about Zhan's behavior, McGork said.

Among the things Zhan had told others: "The reason I want to buy guns is not to go hunting... I might do something extreme in the future."

On March 19 -- six days after the initial tip from the gun store -- police felt they had enough for a search warrant. A judge approved it.

Inside Zhan's apartment, police found the gunsights, more ammunition of various kinds, a shotgun shoulder carrier, laser scope and light.

Still, Zhan had committed no crime, McGork said. But the evidence so far was enough to get an involuntary order to commit him in a psychiatric hospital.

SU revoked Zhan's status as a student. And because he was no longer enrolled in school, his visa was no longer valid.

[kaotic]

(04-06-2018 08:15 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

SU revoked Zhan's status as a student. And because he was no longer enrolled in school, his visa was no longer valid.

Interesting little tid bit.

[Hypno]

(04-06-2018 11:36 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 08:15 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

SU revoked Zhan's status as a student. And because he was no longer enrolled in school, his visa was no longer valid.

Interesting little tid bit.

I think that means they are an illegal alien.

Anyone who listens to National Public Radio, for instance, may notice the care they take to keep the boundary as fuzzy as possible vis-à-vis the status of people here from other lands. “Undocumented” has been the favorite trope, a dodge that implies that the people in question are victims of a clerical error — someone over in the Document Division forgot to hand them the right paperwork. Or else, all they are simply labeled “immigrants,” leaving out the question of whether they are in the country legally or not. Do not suppose it is mere sloppiness.


http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/a...conundrum/

[Jetset]

(04-06-2018 11:47 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 11:36 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 08:15 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

SU revoked Zhan's status as a student. And because he was no longer enrolled in school, his visa was no longer valid.

Interesting little tid bit.

I think that means they are an illegal alien.

He was a Chinese student, here legally. Once he was kicked out of school over this while on spring break in Mexico, he no longer had a valid visa and couldn't re-enter the United States. People were alarmed and reported what they knew, the police and the university compared notes, figured out something was obviously going to happen, and worked together, confidentially, to find a pretext to do something about it.

More or less the opposite of what happened with YouTube. The police in most communities don't have the resources to do much about "this guy is pretty crazy" calls, but it's a good example of how effective it can when they put their minds to it. If he wasn't deported, proactive police work still got him on the background check list and signed up for an involuntary psychiatric commitment when he came home.

[kaotic]

Actually I think there are visas that for educational purposes only, so if you're not enrolled, you're supposed to leave the country. (Obviously alot probably don't do this and overstay their visas)

EDIT: Jetset beat me to it.

[Hypno]

invalid means no longer legal, illegal. They are not supposed to be here. Its not a technicality, its the law. Its not a paperwork error. Its intentional. He came here legally but stayed illegally.

[Jetset]

(04-06-2018 12:29 PM)Hypno Wrote:  

invalid means no longer legal, illegal. They are not supposed to be here. Its not a technicality, its the law. Its not a paperwork error. Its intentional. He came here legally but stayed illegally.

I get what you're saying, but that's not what they're saying there.

He was here legally to study the entire time. Information was discovered while he was on spring break in Mexico that led the university to terminate his student status, without his knowledge - including fellow students emailing the university from Mexico to tell them they're scared of him. Federal investigators were waiting to inform him at the airport and prevent him from re-entering the country.

It seems obvious that it was a coordinated decision to get him off the streets without tipping him off and giving him a chance to escape and hide in either Mexico or the United States. Precogs in the Syracuse PD hard at work.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-06-2018 11:36 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 08:15 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

SU revoked Zhan's status as a student. And because he was no longer enrolled in school, his visa was no longer valid.

Interesting little tid bit.

It's interesting that they revoke VISA for a Chinese bloke who had not done anything yet while countless Somalis, Jihadis, cartel members and South American actual criminals who had raped, killed, plotted mass murder - they are allowed to stay.

[SamuelBRoberts]

[url=https://twitter.com/gabrielmalor/status/982241517619240965?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Face.mu.nu%2F][/url]

Who could have seen this coming?

[Atlanta Man]

Ban Vegans, it is the only way.....

[Abelard Lindsey]

I've noticed that a lot of people through out the internet think this lady was actually a transgender. She most certainly was not, as I saw photos of her as a child. She looks like a normal girl, although rather tall one at that. Many Persian women have the kind of tall, regal look that she has, along with the somewhat angular face.

However, the one physical feature I just can't get over is just how long her neck is. I don't know if this is real or just an optical effect that shows up through the camera.

[PapayaTapper]

(04-06-2018 02:43 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 11:36 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 08:15 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

SU revoked Zhan's status as a student. And because he was no longer enrolled in school, his visa was no longer valid.

Interesting little tid bit.

It's interesting that they revoke VISA for a Chinese bloke who had not done anything yet while countless Somalis, Jihadis, cartel members and South American actual criminals who had raped, killed, plotted mass murder - they are allowed to stay.

Its much much much easier to deny entry than to deport after the fact. An immigration officer can at his own discretion say "Entry denied" based on suspicion. No court proceedings, no hearing, appeal, etc. If that happens at say an airport then it becomes the airline that brought him/her problem to simply return him/her to their point of origin (that's why airlines check passports...in case of forced return) on their dime

Deportation of someone who is physically present within the border is infinitely harder not only because of legal due process within the US but its not unilateral. The country that they are being deported to has to agree to accept them back...and that is not easy to do when the country of origin doesn't want them. Not to mention that sometimes its even hard to identify where to send them back to.

If I were to flush a particularly nasty turd down the toilet and then got a letter from the waste management company that they wanted to send it back I'd say "Fuck you...make me".

That's essentially what happens in every deportation case. Even with blanket reciprocal treaties in place theres a case by case level of negotiation required.

That's why similarly as with a disease, with immigration, 1 ounce of prevention is worth 100lbs of cure

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Deportation is easy enough if the US were not led by traitors - just as easy as it was in the past in Western Europe.

In Israel they are changing the laws now - either you accept some lump sum and deport or you end up in prison. The US used to deport regularly thousands of people and did not give two shits if their host country took them back - I remember reading about deportations of Indians in the 1930s who had stated that they were of European descent. I guess back then it was prison or deportation - their choice.

It would be cheaper to give deportees some 10.000$ and a life-long ban on entry (even as tourists), than to continue this charade.

Also revoking that guy's visa is not going to deport him. He can still work a job, get a driver's license as an official illegal now - like millions others. The only difference is that the cops might be looking for him.

This is also interesting - it's a strange scene from the shooting:

[url=https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/982669597697552385][/url]

[Dragan]

Yet another crazy vegan. Not surprising.

[Suits]

(04-06-2018 11:47 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 11:36 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

(04-06-2018 08:15 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

SU revoked Zhan's status as a student. And because he was no longer enrolled in school, his visa was no longer valid.

Interesting little tid bit.

I think that means they are an illegal alien.

Anyone who listens to National Public Radio, for instance, may notice the care they take to keep the boundary as fuzzy as possible vis-à-vis the status of people here from other lands. “Undocumented” has been the favorite trope, a dodge that implies that the people in question are victims of a clerical error — someone over in the Document Division forgot to hand them the right paperwork. Or else, all they are simply labeled “immigrants,” leaving out the question of whether they are in the country legally or not. Do not suppose it is mere sloppiness.


http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/a...conundrum/

The correct term in many cases is overstay. I've been a visa overstay myself. I didn't realize that my I-20 date was coming up and didn't get a new one within the provided time, which is a simple administrative task done by a designated school employee on a government website.

I discovered my error within the grace period, had to get a new I-20, pay a new $200 fee, then exit and re-enter the country.

It would be a real stretch of the English language to consider me a "illegal immigrant" at any time during this process, unless you had a political agenda.

[Hypno]

(04-07-2018 10:10 PM)Suits Wrote:  

The correct term in many cases is overstay. I've been a visa overstay myself. I didn't realize that my I-20 date was coming up and didn't get a new one within the provided time, which is a simple administrative task done by a designated school employee on a government website.

I discovered my error within the grace period, had to get a new I-20, pay a new $200 fee, then exit and re-enter the country.

It would be a real stretch of the English language to consider me a "illegal immigrant" at any time during this process, unless you had a political agenda.

Oh I understand what overstaying your visa means. But you miss the point.

My elected officials agreed to 700,000 legal immigrants a year. The number does not include the roughly 1.4 million people who climb over the wall or cross the border without documentation, euphamistically rererred to by the press as "undocumented," and similarly does not include people who overstay their visas. So the term "illegal" is also proper, even though you prefer the euphamism "overstay."

Anyway, the point I didn't understand (hat tip to those above who clarified for me) is that the school expelled the kid when they suspected he was crazy, and it was this unilateral action that made the kid illegal. That's an exceptional situation.

[PapayaTapper]

(04-08-2018 06:36 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

(04-07-2018 10:10 PM)Suits Wrote:  

The correct term in many cases is overstay. I've been a visa overstay myself. I didn't realize that my I-20 date was coming up and didn't get a new one within the provided time, which is a simple administrative task done by a designated school employee on a government website.

I discovered my error within the grace period, had to get a new I-20, pay a new $200 fee, then exit and re-enter the country.

It would be a real stretch of the English language to consider me a "illegal immigrant" at any time during this process, unless you had a political agenda.

Oh I understand what overstaying your visa means. But you miss the point.

My elected officials agreed to 700,000 legal immigrants a year. The number does not include the roughly 1.4 million people who climb over the wall or cross the border without documentation, euphamistically rererred to by the press as "undocumented," and similarly does not include people who overstay their visas. So the term "illegal" is also proper, even though you prefer the euphamism "overstay."

Anyway, the point I didn't understand (hat tip to those above who clarified for me) is that the school expelled the kid when they suspected he was crazy, and it was this unilateral action that made the kid illegal. That's an exceptional situation.

I know this is splitting hairs but since he wasn't in the US (he was in Mexico) when his status changed technically he wasn't illegal either. Rather was ineligible to enter the US since he no longer had a visa. Again, much easier to deny entry than deport after the fact

To your point the vast majority of illegal immigration (at least in the US) occurs by overstaying of visas.