[Edmaster]

Good girls vs Bad girls ?

First, to me yes there is a dichotomy between the two because some chicks definitively have any higher T than some others (exactly like some man are more effeminate than others).

Second, I noticed that as i grow older i am actually more interested into bad girl because I feel far more confident about my sexual abilities now (I'm 26) than when i was younger. So I need somehow someone who matches that.

Third, I am ok with open relationships and i am not really possessive and i just like someone low maintenance to pass some time with.


Here my vision of things

Bad girl : She has her shit together and need a strong guy to tame her. She is challenging and love to bang.

Good girl : She is the one who requires you to make good bucks. She is more dependent on you. In return she is very caring toward you. It definitively feels more transactional.


Bad girls :

Pros
- Wild and spontaneous
- Laidback
- Flirty (imrpove my sense of manliness)
- Not afraid to stand up for herself (‘I don’t take shit from anybody’ attitude)
- Open minded
- Great sexual chemistry (open to anything/ kinks)
- Strong sex drive
- Challenge my masculinity (and act submissive once tamed) Damn I love it !
- More independent (less demanding) doesn’t require commitment
- Make me feel like a stud (and manly)

Cons
- Less loyal
- Less caring
- Can try to manipulate at times
- Not really well mannered (can be disagreeable at times)
- Impatient
- Not willing to listen to you for hours


Good girls :

Pros
- Responsible (she does what she says… never derive from that)
- Calm and timid (no need to tame her)
- She stays somewhat in the background
- She has a really specific plan for the future
- She is polite and well mannered
- Listen to your problems
- Nurturing/ comforting
- Has moral values and head on shoulders

Cons
- Less spontaneous than the bad girl
- Prude (damn i feel judge)
- Usually very conformist (lack the sense of danger of the bad girls)
- She doesn’t stand up for herself (people walk over her)
- She doesn’t make me feel like a stud.
- Dependent (Expect gifts, diners out, you to make good money…)
- Tend to gossip with her friends about babies, celebrities, other people relationships ect
- Require commitment fast
- She bottles up feelings for a really long time


It's usually assumed that it exists just the other way around (i.e girls like bad boys) but damn the good girls don’t challenge my masculinity and i don’t feel this sense of wildness and danger (that i honestly kind of addicted to).
I love how submissive she acts once i tamed her ego. If she has a dirty mind without any financial concerns behind it i feel hooked.
However If she is too much interested in money or materialistic things I loose all attraction for some reason.

I have to admit that as an adventurous guy i can’t get enough of the bad girl. However i know the the good girl is good for relationships and stuff but i don't feel alive with her. I loose attraction after a while because i feel the relationship is transactional.


Any other guys attracted to bad girls ?

[Montrose]

Dominance is a psychological trait, yes, and there are girls who are more Dominant than others. Some men like Dominant women, either because they are submissive men, or, as seems to be your case, because you like the challenge and the fight. I can’t disapprove that.

However I think your dichotomy is simplistic. There is no strong correlation between dominance, kinkiness, materialism, neuroticism or other traits. There are many submissive girls who are not prude, as anyone who is a Dom knows.

[kinjutsu]

Have sex with, yeah if i'm feeling i want something different i would bang.
But now i dont want to love a "bad girl". Too much bs

[dosequis]

(03-23-2018 02:34 AM)Edmaster Wrote:  

Third, I am ok with open relationships and i am not really possessive and i just like someone low maintenance to pass some time with.

Aka a "cuck" ?

(03-23-2018 02:34 AM)Edmaster Wrote:  

Bad girl : She has her shit together

In what sense? Wasting your prime years getting fucked by different dudes isn't what I would call "having your shit together".

(03-23-2018 02:34 AM)Edmaster Wrote:  

- Challenge my masculinity (and act submissive once tamed) Damn I love it !

The ultimate challenge of your masculinity would be if she fucked another man in front of you, right? Damn, you'd love it right?

No, I rather not deal with a bitch who tries to shit test me all the time. If that turns you on then I would think it probably has to do with something weird about your childhood.

(03-23-2018 02:34 AM)Edmaster Wrote:  

- Usually very conformist (lack the sense of danger of the bad girls)

I'd say it's the opposite. For a woman to not be a slut who goes out drinking every weekend, spams Instagram with attention whore selfies and just be on the traditional side in today's world seems to be the exact opposite of a conformist.

Our cultural marxist society is telling girls today to be "bad" girls and sluts to sleep around, so I'd say this is rather a trait of the slut.

[LeBaron]

I'm around your age aswell and the only time I enjoy being in the company of "bad girls" is when I'm out at a bar or club and Im going for a SNL, sure gaming them while slightly drunk is fun but other than that I don't want to have to deal with damaged women at all in my everyday life.

[Dalaran1991]

Typical cucked French guys you like masculine girls because you are a submissive feminine "intellectual" hobo who thinks women who act up are fun and "exciting". Probably enjoy open relationship when she fucks other guys while you only get to flirt with some girls and feel like you are desirable and bask in your enlightenment.

Man, never thought I would live to see the day where the only somewhat masculine guys in Paris are actually the Black/Arabs. Even they are starting to spout feminist/marxist bullshit.

Edit: been seeing it for a while now but this is why I always say pyjama boys in Paris do get laid. Most of the time they have a masculine girlfriend who enjoys having a beta boyfriend for social validation while she still sleep around as if she is single.

Paris has the perfect orgy for female.

[Montrose]

You are cruel Dalaran, but I have seen many LTR between submissive men and dominant women (in fact, they are the majority in my social circle) and they kind of work.
But I agree the only alpha men around tend to be Muslims. Sad!

[Edmaster]

It's maybe because my English is not so good so I didn't express myself correctly.

I am not talking about a real relationship here but an open thing or Friends with benefits kind of thing. That's why i say "someone to pass some time with".

The only point i was making here is it's difficult to have the best of world!
And you have to compromise however i do prefer bad girls but you can't for sure have a sustainable relationship with them. The reason for that is because she requires you to be 100% alpha.

It's about dominating the one who thinks she is the shit. That's totally the opposite of what you guys are saying!

(03-23-2018 03:23 AM)dosequis Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 02:34 AM)Edmaster Wrote:  

Third, I am ok with open relationships and i am not really possessive and i just like someone low maintenance to pass some time with.

Aka a "cuck" ?

The thing in here is you misinterpreted what i was saying!

It is just that i am in a complicated compromise (i think a lot of men do) is that most nice girl to start a relationship with are somehow too much inhibited for me (at least it takes some time)

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(03-23-2018 02:34 AM)Edmaster Wrote:  

Bad girl : She has her shit together

In what sense? Wasting your prime years getting fucked by different dudes isn't what I would call "having your shit together".

Dude you really hear what you want hear. I may have mis-express myself but by that I just mean someone who doesn't count too much on me to provide for her.
Usually something good about them is that there are more independent so i don't feel pressure to provide for her as much as a more good girl which usually count more on the man to provide.

(03-23-2018 02:34 AM)Edmaster Wrote:  

- Challenge my masculinity (and act submissive once tamed) Damn I love it !

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The ultimate challenge of your masculinity would be if she fucked another man in front of you, right? Damn, you'd love it right?

No, I rather not deal with a bitch who tries to shit test me all the time. If that turns you on then I would think it probably has to do with something weird about your childhood.

I like someone who tries to challenge my masculinity because I know that deep down they are just waiting for a dominant man to call them out of this.
I like to be that man it makes me feel dominant (aka alpha).

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(03-23-2018 02:34 AM)Edmaster Wrote:  

- Usually very conformist (lack the sense of danger of the bad girls)

I'd say it's the opposite. For a woman to not be a slut who goes out drinking every weekend, spams Instagram with attention whore selfies and just be on the traditional side in today's world seems to be the exact opposite of a conformist.

Our cultural marxist society is telling girls today to be "bad" girls and sluts to sleep around, so I'd say this is rather a trait of the slut.

I am just talking about more independent women here not bar sluts. The one who put up a dominant social apparence on the surface but are just waiting to be tamed. I like to tame the wild cat i guess. I don't like someone who follow me around like a little puppy that much.

[Repo]

Loving hoes is beta

[Black Caesar]

Don't buy in to the good girl / bad girl stuff that the community throws around...

it's just a form of madonna/whore complex. Avoid at all costs.

It is good to go after girls with edge, especially when you are coming up. It will make you BETTER.

You should go and sample everything so you know what you like.

But girls are not just either bad or good, there is a lot of nuance.

[heavy]

(03-23-2018 06:49 AM)Black Caesar Wrote:  

Don't buy in to the good girl / bad girl stuff that the community throws around...

it's just a form of madonna/whore complex. Avoid at all costs.

It is good to go after girls with edge, especially when you are coming up. It will make you BETTER.

You should go and sample everything so you know what you like.

But girls are not just either bad or good, there is a lot of nuance.

Probably the best response here. So keep the nuance in mind for my post, but I'll use the labels since that's how we communicate.

This thread intrigued me because I married a "bad girl", who then divorced me 6 years later. She's now getting her second divorce.

I then dated a bad girl not too long ago.

Neither relationship ended well.

The older you get, the more you have your life figured out, the more you'll figure out the type of girl you want to date.

BJJ alone has made me realize some very important things about who I want to surround myself with, girls included.

Good girl / bad girl is far less meaningless than having a girl who is honest (or at least more honest) and who will kill her ego in the midst of facts (even if it takes a few days).

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i don’t feel this sense of wildness and danger (that i honestly kind of addicted to).

This. You're not "supposed to" (for lack of better term) get your sense of wildness and danger as you get older, with women. Get your shit together. Get busy. Fill up your schedule. Do things that give you a sense of wildness and danger.

Your life, not your girl, should be your morning coffee. Your girl should be your fun happy hour beer, your glass of wine for dinner, your smooth scotch before bed.

[DonnyGately]

I like submissive sweet girls, but I also like girls with an edge and many of them turn out to be subs also.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Well - there is a certain history in France about the Libertine experience of going to group sex sessions with your wife.

However - you are 26 and not 46 while having a 37 year old wife that you married aged 25.

Some girls have a higher sexual drive without the markings of what you describe as "bad girl". Enjoying hoes is no problem, but I would not call this a relationship.

[ItalianStallion9]

For whatever reason I have a thing for 'nice' girls. Maybe it's because I forsee them being better mothers?

[SeaFM]

Trying to turn a ho into a housewife has never ended well for anyone, and never will.

[godfather dust]

I have a place in the back of my heart (balls actually) for sluts because a couple busted sluts raped me at 14 and turned me out.

However sluts/bad girls are obnoxious, arrogant, rude and annoying as fuck and I wish less girls were like this.