[MANic]

I've noticed that people drawn to anime and kpop (non-asians) tend to exhibit strong traits of mental illness on a rather common basis, at least in comparison to other hobby based communities I've encountered.

Not that all anime fans are axe wielding otaku nutjobs that fap to lolicon porn on a daily basis but that things like depression, OCD, social anxiety, autism, personality disorders, or any other kind of "mental health issue" seem fairly common..

Any bropsychologists care to chime in.

Background for the question:

I have recently been increasingly drawn to the idea of a more long-term relationship (with a possible endgoal being starting a family). Top of my list is a friend of my cousins. She's pretty, conservate, religious, shy, high IQ and likely a virgin. However,, I know she is particularly fond of anime and kpop (evidenced by her social media like). She is Australian and I realise that the Asian influence on Sydney is strong but I'm wondering if her quirky interest may be a more serious redflag

[spokepoker]

She won't care about that stuff once she has a few kids to run after.

[LionHound]

(03-11-2018 12:50 AM)spokepoker Wrote:  

She won't care about that stuff once she has a few kids to run after.

Short and sweet answer. I think we (humans in general) make life more complicated than it really is. Get the feeling that in these modern times with so much information at our fingertips we start to second guess every little thing. Easy to do, as some aspects of our existence have become infinity more complicated than they were in the past. Sometimes the answer is simply pound that pussy and put a bun in the oven. Everything else will work itself out. / drunk post

[Genghis Khan]

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She's pretty, conservate, religious, shy, high IQ and likely a virgin.

So what's the problem?

I don't know anything about kpop, but I remember reading something about anime being so appealing because it doesn't have the typical SJW brainwashing/liberal bullshit like gay marriage, trannies, slutting around in your 20s etc.

I rather have a girl watch Naruto than the abominations that are Sex and the City and HBO's Girls.

As for kpop - can it really be worse than Miley Cyrus?

[TooFineAPoint]

The smartest guy I know loves Kpop (and death metal and classical). He calls the girls (unironically) his "sisters".

His cute wife says "you just want to fuck them".

He replies "sick, no, they are like wholesome sisters to me".

Gave me a whole new outlook on Kpop.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Back in the day I noticed a strong correlation in female anime fans for either total sexual degeneracy or the complete opposite (trapping themselves in a child-like sexual state). I don't think I ever met a girl that liked anime who I considered to be sexually "normal". Whether the chicken or the egg came first is hard to say. Anime comes in a lot of different forms so I'm guessing that they were previously damaged people drawn to it (no pun intended) rather than normal people corrupted by it.

The guys on the other hand had a strong representation of what I might term "budding paedophiles". For them the medium was utterly corrupting, as we've seen with the waifu phenomenom including images of girls that are clearly under age "but the artist says she's a 500 year old vampire so it doesn't count" type bullshit.

If she checks out as not having any particularly troublesome sexual hangups then you're probably in the clear.

[hv123]

Some people just like to be different. People who tell the world about their mental health problems tend to fit in to that category.

Have you ever met an anime fan who doesn't (claim to) have a high iq?

[Lunostrelki]

I know lots of marriagable girls who like anime and kpop. Even the mainstream works tend to have more sexist depictions of characters, since Japan and Korea are more sexist and therefore more stable nations.

Agree that the crazies are probably overrepresented among western fans. There are a bunch of neurotic weeaboos who are really into anime and are interested in Japan and Japanese almost entirely on the basis of their obsession. Almost all of this type are also hardcore SJWs (who would hate the real Japan, or just hang out with the degenerates over there) and they have weird fetishes that are satisfied by the darker products of the medium.

[CynicalContrarian]

About the only psychological quirk I can attribute to anime is the frequency of apocalyptic imagery / content.

Not too surprising for a people that are the only ones to be bombed by nukes & have their whole society upended & reformed at the same time.

[dicknixon72]

People use pet animals and extreme fandom as a surrogate for children.

[Gmac]

Short answer: No.
Long answer: Maybe sometimes (like f***ing everything in life).

[questor70]

Anime is part of geek culture. There are endless essays that psycho-analyze geek culture.

As far as male/female dynamics, anime, more than perhaps any other pop-culture phenomenon, glorifies the ideal youthful female form, and when I say that, I mean in a way that most in the US would deem pedophilic. This is why, for instance, the cultural appropriation of something like the new Teen Titans cartoon feels so...icky, because these are characters that were very explicit in the comics that they're sexually active (Robin/Starfire/Raven) and yet they're rendered like they're 8 years old.

Anime stories seem to be permanently rooted in teen angst. There isn't a heck of a lot of interest in exploring what it means to be a full adult let alone an older man or woman. It's all coming-of-age all-the-time. This is true even with the masters of the form like Hayao Miyazaki, a 77 year old man who has made a career out of telling stories that almost all center around young teenage girls finding their place in society. I guess the closest analog in the US would be Spielberg, but he at least did make some more adult movies like Saving Private Ryan, Lincoln, Schindler's List, etc...

Animation snobs like to make note that in Japanese society anime is taken seriously, and yet the protagonists seem to always be limited to adolescents.

I'm sure you could write volumes about what that says about Japanese society. Maybe they feel that when they enter adulthood it just becomes one long wage-slave purgatory and they get locked into nostalgia. I don't know.

[Knight of Malta]

To be fair, it's not just anime that attracts people like that, but other fandoms as well, geekdom as a whole tends to bring in people that have different kinds of personality issues that make them antisocial.

Though of course there are plenty of more or less normal people involved in these things, and there are anime out there that actually have good value as stories and can be pretty red pilled, not just all being about lolis and other such stereotypes (Legend of the Galactic Heroes being the best example I know, even complete with a Jew-like faction controlling a modern degenerate America-like faction. I still think its amazing how a Japanese author in the 1980s was able to create a story that so closely parallels modern American politics).

[Easy_C]

(03-11-2018 12:07 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

Anime is part of geek culture. There are endless essays that psycho-analyze geek culture.

As far as male/female dynamics, anime, more than perhaps any other pop-culture phenomenon, glorifies the ideal youthful female form, and when I say that, I mean in a way that most in the US would deem pedophilic. This is why, for instance, the cultural appropriation of something like the new Teen Titans cartoon feels so...icky, because these are characters that were very explicit in the comics that they're sexually active (Robin/Starfire/Raven) and yet they're rendered like they're 8 years old.

Anime stories seem to be permanently rooted in teen angst. There isn't a heck of a lot of interest in exploring what it means to be a full adult let alone an older man or woman. It's all coming-of-age all-the-time. This is true even with the masters of the form like Hayao Miyazaki, a 77 year old man who has made a career out of telling stories that almost all center around young teenage girls finding their place in society. I guess the closest analog in the US would be Spielberg, but he at least did make some more adult movies like Saving Private Ryan, Lincoln, Schindler's List, etc...

Part of that seems to be because high school is the last time that most Japanese men have anything close to a "normal" life where they have enough free time to socialize, pursue hobbies, etc. After that most of them live a lifestyle that makes your typical American doctor, investment banker, or laywer look like they're on holiday by comparison.

[Jetset]

(03-11-2018 12:47 PM)Knight of Malta Wrote:  

To be fair, it's not just anime that attracts people like that, but other fandoms as well, geekdom as a whole tends to bring in people that have different kinds of personality issues that make them antisocial.

This is about right. I suspect that when people identify very strongly with something that either is not real or that they have no tangible links to (Japanese cartoons being both - works of fiction from a very foreign culture), it's a hint that they're having a lot of trouble fitting in with the world that they're actually in and need that escape into something where they can imagine feeling normal and included.

This probably disproportionately includes people with mental illnesses and personality disorders. Like you say, it doesn't follow that everybody who likes anime has issues, just that people with issues are over-represented because it's one of the few things that really fits the bill for what they're looking for: a huge alternative reality they can soak up and interpret any way that makes them feel better.

[BortimusPrime]

Any sort of "geek" culture thing is going to have the same propensity towards depression and mental illness. The alphas and betas are busy competing in more socially acceptable hobbies like sports, sports betting, fantasy league sports, or their kids' sports leagues. That just leaves the gammas and omegas who, unable to compete in the alpha realm but with the same male competitive instincts, engage in "intellectual" competition like arguing over which anime chick can beat up which robot or whatever. But they're still losers, so they get the same depressive effects as any other ape at the bottom of the colony's pecking order.

For women it's the same social hierarchy, so the girls that can't or don't want to compete with the popular girls settle for the geek hobby to claim the top gamma anime nerd as a consolation prize. Look at any cosplayer, the whole point of that "hobby" for girls is to cake themselves up in so much makeup that they look like a cartoon character so you can't tell the girl underneath is a plain Jane.

[Bienvenuto]

I don't know about K Pop but with Anime...

There's something about it where I think that its the visual and binge-watching equivalent of sitting around eating too many chocolates.
Geeks seem to get oversaturated with and alienated by that rubbish mind food they're watching and I honestly don't think that its good for them.

In the old days we used to call people on the Aspergers or autistic spectrum "trainspotters".
I actually joined an 'anime fan club' when I attended art college but at the first session it seemed to be full of alienated strange people who lacked social skills to the point where they just came across ast unpleasant and rude.

A girl I work with now is big into anime and whilst I like her as a person - she does seem to be a bit of an autistic trainspotter recalling and referencing hundreds of hours of badly animated generic cartoons with incredibly similar dystopian motifs.

Just like smart phone addiction I think that Anime is a passive and unhealthy obsession that is not good for the people who get into it.

I guess you could lead the same way that you would if a prospect was becoming a dilettante social smoker - unhealthy habit, wean them off it.

[spokepoker]

Can you explain the "trainspotter" name?

[Bigmac4u]

(03-11-2018 12:35 AM)MANic Wrote:  

I've noticed that people drawn to anime and kpop (non-asians) tend to exhibit strong traits of mental illness on a rather common basis, at least in comparison to other hobby based communities I've encountered.

Not that all anime fans are axe wielding otaku nutjobs that fap to lolicon porn on a daily basis but that things like depression, OCD, social anxiety, autism, personality disorders, or any other kind of "mental health issue" seem fairly common..

Any bropsychologists care to chime in.

Background for the question:

I have recently been increasingly drawn to the idea of a more long-term relationship (with a possible endgoal being starting a family). Top of my list is a friend of my cousins. She's pretty, conservate, religious, shy, high IQ and likely a virgin. However,, I know she is particularly fond of anime and kpop (evidenced by her social media like). She is Australian and I realise that the Asian influence on Sydney is strong but I'm wondering if her quirky interest may be a more serious redflag

Yes, of course. I posted a link a few days ago that explained it all. See: Extreme intelligence and mental illness connection explained also Summary most advanced medical research

[Bienvenuto]

(03-12-2018 03:34 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  

Can you explain the "trainspotter" name?

They were people who stood around on train platforms and recorded in their notebooks what trains (make and model) came past.

Majorly Aspergers-like in their manner. Also terrible dress sense, coke bottle glasses, no social skills.

I was on an intercity train in 2004 when there was a father and son trainspotter combo next to me: standing up, "Dad look! Dad its a KLMX-1Z4743 Diesel! Get it written down! Hurry up Dad! C'mon!"

The dad was powerless in the grip of his urge to get down train numbers, otherwise lacking in confidence to talk with people, just let his equally obsessed son tell him what to do. He was in his 40's his kid was about 13.

Neither were a pair of natural alphas.

[Mr. D]

Some people use anime (especially the stories and characters in more dramatic/romantic anime) as compensation for their limited grasp of real life situations.
Similar to the girls who used to watch ”Friends” and claim they’re ”just like Rachael”, or anybody who still thinks MSM doesn’t have an agenda and it’s purely news.

(Slight confession, I used to watch anime somewhat regularly, mainly shows like ”Cowboy Bebop” or ”Trigun”, but I lost interest after seeing a friend watch the climax in the last episode of ”Video Girl Ai”. A long ass monologue about sacrifice in the name of love, while the male lead damn near kills himself climbing a very fragile glass staircase to reach his goal: a magical girl from a fucking VHS-tape. Christ Almighty, what horseshit...)

K-pop, your guess is as good as mine. It’s the look, the sound, the (translated) lyrical content or the novelty factor.

I venture the mental issues flare up when reality doesn’t meet their expectations. The go-to phrase being ”but it worked in that episode of *insert name of show here*”.

Sad really.

[StrikeBack]

Might've been true years ago (the mental issues), but both Anime and Kpop are quite mainstream now. You'll find that those girls like it because both are still fun and innocent, and much much less sick and degenerative than Western media. Do you prefer your girl listening to Kpop or Miley Cyrus?

The only significant thing - regarding Game - is that if a white girl is into Anime and Kpop, she's basically flashing a massive "Asian guys welcome!" sign.

[Zerdame]

(03-12-2018 08:05 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Might've been true years ago (the mental issues), but both Anime and Kpop are quite mainstream now. You'll find that those girls like it because both are still fun and innocent, and much much less sick and degenerative than Western media. Do you prefer your girl listening to Kpop or Miley Cyrus?

The only significant thing - regarding Game - is that if a white girl is into Anime and Kpop, she's basically flashing a massive "Asian guys welcome!" sign.

Game a pair of German girls, sisters, the other day. Both were half Russian. Older one had a nice face, the younger sister wasnt too bad her self facially but she had the most unbelievable body. She was incredibly sexy and was giving me tons of IOIs. A 19 year old German girl who loves Japan and upon finding out Im half Japanese, basically threw herself at me.

The older one was a Kpop fan. Would fly to Korea to watch their performances. She was prettier in the face but the younger one clearly won in the figure department. I know enough of Kpop to get her engaged in the conversation.

The two sisters were fighting over my attention, one telling me about Japan and the other Korea. It was a good day to be alive.