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What do you guys think about how H.I.V. came to be
#51

What do you guys think about how H.I.V. came to be

Quote: (09-29-2011 06:25 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 05:27 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Looks like another tinfoil conspiracy site to me.

hahaha. what did it take you , all of 5 minutes ? I'm still digging thru it, and its been quite informative ,especially reading luc's essays/books on his discovery of hiv, aids. That's just a beginning but you're fast man!

Only took me 30 seconds to dismiss it after I read this on their front page:
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In March 2011, Firenze, Italy, hosted the Italian Conference on AIDS and Retroviruses. It is well known that for more than 25 years the opinions of so-called dissident scientists such as Professors Peter Duesberg and Henry Bauer were never allowed in mainstream conferences and any voice questioning the role of HIV in causing AIDS was systematically shut off. Associations for the scientific reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS hypothesis such as Rethinking AIDS were never invited or even allowed to participate.

Anybody questioning the fact that HIV is the cause of AIDS absolutely is a tinfoil conspiracy theorist and doesn't deserve to be listened to. If you want non-Wikipedia information on HIV the best source is the peer-reviewed literature. Go to pubmed.gov, a lot of articles on there are free.
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#52

What do you guys think about how H.I.V. came to be

Quote: (09-29-2011 07:00 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 06:25 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 05:27 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Looks like another tinfoil conspiracy site to me.

hahaha. what did it take you , all of 5 minutes ? I'm still digging thru it, and its been quite informative ,especially reading luc's essays/books on his discovery of hiv, aids. That's just a beginning but you're fast man!

Only took me 30 seconds to dismiss it after I read this on their front page:
Quote:Quote:

In March 2011, Firenze, Italy, hosted the Italian Conference on AIDS and Retroviruses. It is well known that for more than 25 years the opinions of so-called dissident scientists such as Professors Peter Duesberg and Henry Bauer were never allowed in mainstream conferences and any voice questioning the role of HIV in causing AIDS was systematically shut off. Associations for the scientific reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS hypothesis such as Rethinking AIDS were never invited or even allowed to participate.

Anybody questioning the fact that HIV is the cause of AIDS absolutely is a tinfoil conspiracy theorist and doesn't deserve to be listened to. If you want non-Wikipedia information on HIV the best source is the peer-reviewed literature. Go to pubmed.gov, a lot of articles on there are free.
The only piece of information I have been looking for is the actual source. Once I found where his essays, books were being peddled I wanted to read what he had to say as opposed as to what was transcribed via wiki or any other source. Have you read his book or essays? Just the same as I can point out errors in wiki reports( i actually pointed one glaring error to you ) you are free to point out errors on any particular sight, but, within each site, there are nuggets of information. I couldn't find any of robert gallos or lucs findings on wiki, avert, pub-med, nada. I don't recall ever believing one source, or that hiv does not cause AIDS.
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#53

What do you guys think about how H.I.V. came to be

Quote: (09-29-2011 07:42 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 07:00 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 06:25 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 05:27 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Looks like another tinfoil conspiracy site to me.

hahaha. what did it take you , all of 5 minutes ? I'm still digging thru it, and its been quite informative ,especially reading luc's essays/books on his discovery of hiv, aids. That's just a beginning but you're fast man!

Only took me 30 seconds to dismiss it after I read this on their front page:
Quote:Quote:

In March 2011, Firenze, Italy, hosted the Italian Conference on AIDS and Retroviruses. It is well known that for more than 25 years the opinions of so-called dissident scientists such as Professors Peter Duesberg and Henry Bauer were never allowed in mainstream conferences and any voice questioning the role of HIV in causing AIDS was systematically shut off. Associations for the scientific reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS hypothesis such as Rethinking AIDS were never invited or even allowed to participate.

Anybody questioning the fact that HIV is the cause of AIDS absolutely is a tinfoil conspiracy theorist and doesn't deserve to be listened to. If you want non-Wikipedia information on HIV the best source is the peer-reviewed literature. Go to pubmed.gov, a lot of articles on there are free.
The only piece of information I have been looking for is the actual source. Once I found where his essays, books were being peddled I wanted to read what he had to say as opposed as to what was transcribed via wiki or any other source. Have you read his book or essays? Just the same as I can point out errors in wiki reports( i actually pointed one glaring error to you ) you are free to point out errors on any particular sight, but, within each site, there are nuggets of information. I couldn't find any of robert gallos or lucs findings on wiki, avert, pub-med, nada. I don't recall ever believing one source, or that hiv does not cause AIDS.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=...BAuthor%5D
892 results

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=...BAuthor%5D
313 results

Both of these guys are eminent virologists with hundreds of publications. You don't need to go to a website that gives a forum to HIV-denialist crackpots to read their publications because they actually do have legitimate research, and as such are published in peer-reviewed journals.
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#54

What do you guys think about how H.I.V. came to be

Quote: (09-29-2011 07:59 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 07:42 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 07:00 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 06:25 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 05:27 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Looks like another tinfoil conspiracy site to me.

hahaha. what did it take you , all of 5 minutes ? I'm still digging thru it, and its been quite informative ,especially reading luc's essays/books on his discovery of hiv, aids. That's just a beginning but you're fast man!

Only took me 30 seconds to dismiss it after I read this on their front page:
Quote:Quote:

In March 2011, Firenze, Italy, hosted the Italian Conference on AIDS and Retroviruses. It is well known that for more than 25 years the opinions of so-called dissident scientists such as Professors Peter Duesberg and Henry Bauer were never allowed in mainstream conferences and any voice questioning the role of HIV in causing AIDS was systematically shut off. Associations for the scientific reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS hypothesis such as Rethinking AIDS were never invited or even allowed to participate.

Anybody questioning the fact that HIV is the cause of AIDS absolutely is a tinfoil conspiracy theorist and doesn't deserve to be listened to. If you want non-Wikipedia information on HIV the best source is the peer-reviewed literature. Go to pubmed.gov, a lot of articles on there are free.
The only piece of information I have been looking for is the actual source. Once I found where his essays, books were being peddled I wanted to read what he had to say as opposed as to what was transcribed via wiki or any other source. Have you read his book or essays? Just the same as I can point out errors in wiki reports( i actually pointed one glaring error to you ) you are free to point out errors on any particular sight, but, within each site, there are nuggets of information. I couldn't find any of robert gallos or lucs findings on wiki, avert, pub-med, nada. I don't recall ever believing one source, or that hiv does not cause AIDS.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=...BAuthor%5D
892 results

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=...BAuthor%5D
313 results

Both of these guys are eminent virologists with hundreds of publications. You don't need to go to a website that gives a forum to HIV-denialist crackpots to read their publications because they actually do have legitimate research, and as such are published in peer-reviewed journals.
Ye, two good sources, did you read gallos or lucs book or essays was my question? Those are original sources.
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#55

What do you guys think about how H.I.V. came to be

Quote: (09-29-2011 08:48 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 07:59 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 07:42 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 07:00 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 06:25 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

hahaha. what did it take you , all of 5 minutes ? I'm still digging thru it, and its been quite informative ,especially reading luc's essays/books on his discovery of hiv, aids. That's just a beginning but you're fast man!

Only took me 30 seconds to dismiss it after I read this on their front page:
Quote:Quote:

In March 2011, Firenze, Italy, hosted the Italian Conference on AIDS and Retroviruses. It is well known that for more than 25 years the opinions of so-called dissident scientists such as Professors Peter Duesberg and Henry Bauer were never allowed in mainstream conferences and any voice questioning the role of HIV in causing AIDS was systematically shut off. Associations for the scientific reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS hypothesis such as Rethinking AIDS were never invited or even allowed to participate.

Anybody questioning the fact that HIV is the cause of AIDS absolutely is a tinfoil conspiracy theorist and doesn't deserve to be listened to. If you want non-Wikipedia information on HIV the best source is the peer-reviewed literature. Go to pubmed.gov, a lot of articles on there are free.
The only piece of information I have been looking for is the actual source. Once I found where his essays, books were being peddled I wanted to read what he had to say as opposed as to what was transcribed via wiki or any other source. Have you read his book or essays? Just the same as I can point out errors in wiki reports( i actually pointed one glaring error to you ) you are free to point out errors on any particular sight, but, within each site, there are nuggets of information. I couldn't find any of robert gallos or lucs findings on wiki, avert, pub-med, nada. I don't recall ever believing one source, or that hiv does not cause AIDS.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=...BAuthor%5D
892 results

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=...BAuthor%5D
313 results

Both of these guys are eminent virologists with hundreds of publications. You don't need to go to a website that gives a forum to HIV-denialist crackpots to read their publications because they actually do have legitimate research, and as such are published in peer-reviewed journals.
Ye, two good sources, did you read gallos or lucs book or essays was my question? Those are original sources.

No, I haven't read anything by either of them. All I was responding to was the fact that you posted a "great link" to a website that pushes a ludicrous theory about HIV not causing AIDS. Anybody who gives the slightest bit of credence to that idea is not at all trustworthy on the issue.
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#56

What do you guys think about how H.I.V. came to be

Quote: (09-29-2011 09:24 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 08:48 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 07:59 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 07:42 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Quote: (09-29-2011 07:00 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Only took me 30 seconds to dismiss it after I read this on their front page:

Anybody questioning the fact that HIV is the cause of AIDS absolutely is a tinfoil conspiracy theorist and doesn't deserve to be listened to. If you want non-Wikipedia information on HIV the best source is the peer-reviewed literature. Go to pubmed.gov, a lot of articles on there are free.
The only piece of information I have been looking for is the actual source. Once I found where his essays, books were being peddled I wanted to read what he had to say as opposed as to what was transcribed via wiki or any other source. Have you read his book or essays? Just the same as I can point out errors in wiki reports( i actually pointed one glaring error to you ) you are free to point out errors on any particular sight, but, within each site, there are nuggets of information. I couldn't find any of robert gallos or lucs findings on wiki, avert, pub-med, nada. I don't recall ever believing one source, or that hiv does not cause AIDS.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=...BAuthor%5D
892 results

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=...BAuthor%5D
313 results

Both of these guys are eminent virologists with hundreds of publications. You don't need to go to a website that gives a forum to HIV-denialist crackpots to read their publications because they actually do have legitimate research, and as such are published in peer-reviewed journals.
Ye, two good sources, did you read gallos or lucs book or essays was my question? Those are original sources.

No, I haven't read anything by either of them. All I was responding to was the fact that you posted a "great link" to a website that pushes a ludicrous theory about HIV not causing AIDS. Anybody who gives the slightest bit of credence to that idea is not at all trustworthy on the issue.
Perhaps you should read a bit more about when and how gallo discovered htlv-1 in 1980(the first human retrovirus discovered). Merck was already doing research on retro viruses that causes cancer in humans in the 70's. HTLV-1,2,3,4, was already being researched by labs set up by merck and the N.I.H. in Africa. The reason I posted the link( as my last sentence states) is because if you read how his research came to be, it is quite provocative. I couldn't find the information on the MERCK trials, GAllos search for hiv, or Luc's researches on wiki, but, I was able to find the documents and the original trials with many other sources and i got to the original point.If you wanted to find something out, why wouldn't one want to start from the origination point? Have you even looked into whether the documents exist or not? I can point out errors in wiki on this same HTLV-1 research,but you don't hear me screaming about believing what is on wiki , or not. I just take what parts can be verified, and move on to the next. You haven't even looked at one single document i have written about, nor have you looked into any dates, names, so what is your point? That a renowned virologist(s) has concurred with what you believe? Gallo is a renowned virologist, and you didn't even research his htlv-1 findings, nor did you even research the man who supposedly discovered hiv in his race against gallo. It might surprise you to know that you didn't even mention the Merck trials, which lead to gallos findings, which eventually lead to the discovery of hiv as you know it today. You're gonna have to tell me how you came to your conclusions without even researching any of this information. If it's wiki, then I wholeheartedly respect that , and our job here is done.
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#57

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No, I haven't done a review of the primary literature on the origin of HIV. As I understand it the scientific consensus is that we originally got it from eating bushmeat but I'll readily admit to not knowing the research well enough to know if that's an area of active dispute. I do know that there is indisputable evidence that HIV is the cause of AIDS and that anyone who says otherwise is not to be trusted.

Again, all I was doing was pointing out that the website you posted is an outlet for bogus conspiracy theories. There may or may not be useful information that you can find through the site, but in general, if you're looking to educate yourself on a subject it's best not to trust resources that you've already found to be peddling disinformation.
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#58

What do you guys think about how H.I.V. came to be

I've tried to stay away from this thread instead of banging my head against a wall convincing someone HIV virus leads to the clinical syndrome of AIDS.

It is a absurd to believe the worldwide medical community along with patients are deluded and that a few attention seeking nuts are correct.

Yes when the virus hit there were lots of questions asked. These have been answered and the debate is over.
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#59

What do you guys think about how H.I.V. came to be

Quote: (09-29-2011 10:19 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

No, I haven't done a review of the primary literature on the origin of HIV. As I understand it the scientific consensus is that we originally got it from eating bushmeat but I'll readily admit to not knowing the research well enough to know if that's an area of active dispute. I do know that there is indisputable evidence that HIV is the cause of AIDS and that anyone who says otherwise is not to be trusted.

Again, all I was doing was pointing out that the website you posted is an outlet for bogus conspiracy theories. There may or may not be useful information that you can find through the site, but in general, if you're looking to educate yourself on a subject it's best not to trust resources that you've already found to be peddling disinformation.
I can agree with that. I didn't really care about the peddling, I wanted to get a hold of Gallos' information and luc's information. THat was paramount to me, and if it meant rummaging thru shit, that was what i would have to do. I had to rummage thru 4 other sites for mercks information on the trials in Africa because Merck doesn't have shit you could find on what it did or didn't do. Rummaged thru two more for the N.I.H. and one other for original docs for the initial trials in New York.I figured you were following the post from the beginning, so when I posted it , it wasn't with the intention of saying it was legit, hence my last statement that says it had some information that was not revealed on other sites about the original cast of characters and the depths they went to "discover" the virus. If you thought I did it to mislead the forum, that was not my intention, but if you could find in depth information on these two men anywhere else, that would be helpful. Wiki just have basic shit, and nothing worth posting about how these men actually got involved. I never trusted any one source on such a serious matter. Actually ,that site I posted has more damn information about these men than any other I have seen so far, because the site leads to links and other sources of information, so it's not all bad in my opinion. Just depends on what you are using if for. I cant see myself just reading one thing and concluding it is , gospel.
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#60

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Quote: (09-29-2011 10:29 PM)bigxxx Wrote:  

I've tried to stay away from this thread instead of banging my head against a wall convincing someone HIV virus leads to the clinical syndrome of AIDS.

It is a absurd to believe the worldwide medical community along with patients are deluded and that a few attention seeking nuts are correct.

Yes when the virus hit there were lots of questions asked. These have been answered and the debate is over.

I don't know of one single person who has contributed to this post that doesn't agree with the fact that HIV causes AIDS. Perhaps the title of the post wasn't clear? The questions or point of the post was, How HIV came to be HIV, as in its origin. HIV causing AIDS has not entered into the discussion ,since we pretty much know its a forgone conclusion .Thank God you didn't bust your head wide open for nothing.
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#61

What do you guys think about how H.I.V. came to be

Quote: (09-29-2011 10:19 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

No, I haven't done a review of the primary literature on the origin of HIV. As I understand it the scientific consensus is that we originally got it from eating bushmeat but I'll readily admit to not knowing the research well enough to know if that's an area of active dispute. I do know that there is indisputable evidence that HIV is the cause of AIDS and that anyone who says otherwise is not to be trusted.

Gringo,
I think know what the problem is . After reading your post above, in which you state"we originally got it form eating bush meat". This is way past the original point. What I am trying to ascertain is how HIV the virus even came on the scene to begin with, not how humans got it. This is why I have been trying to put a trail together. IF you say that HIV came from monkeys, then that's where I am have a bit of trouble, because I have found a lot of shit that showed prior to the scientific community accepting the premise that monkeys were carrying a strain of SIV, that morphed into HIV when hunters were scratched or bitten, trials of all sorts, dates, names, and clinics ( I have mentioned them all in my previous posts) had already concluded that retro viruses causes opportunistic ailments that lead to death in humans(better known to me and you as HIV). THis did not come from monkeys, but from trials. This was done way before anything was ever published as HIV.(1970) Hope I was able to clarify what i am looking for.
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#62

What do you guys think about how H.I.V. came to be

Quote: (09-29-2011 06:25 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

hahaha. what did it take you , all of 5 minutes ?

Even less than that. Same as gringochileno, same quote. You know, this is how a typical tinfoil conspiracy works - "the original theory is wrong, here are our facts". Looks no more credible to me than the "Bush did 9/11" crowd.

Quote:Quote:

I'm still digging thru it, and its been quite informative ,especially reading luc's essays/books on his discovery of hiv, aids.

Why?
It is very easy to scrap up a bunch of facts to support any crazy theory you can come up with.
However this is meaningless unless the theory also somehow explains ALL known facts. A valid scientific theory should be able to explain all the facts, otherwise it is not valid.
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#63

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Quote: (09-29-2011 11:04 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

What I am trying to ascertain is how HIV the virus even came on the scene to begin with, not how humans got it. This is why I have been trying to put a trail together.

There are two problems I see here.

First, you did not point out any problems with the accepted theory. So far your main argument against it is that "nobody in Merck's trial ever mentioned being fucked by an African black dude", but this argument is very weak, and I provided a lot of possible explanations.

Second, you do not provide another theory. See, the way things work in scientific community is that there are often several theories, and the scientists analyze all of them to see which one is more credible. If all you do is attach the accepted theory, and at the same time you admit HIV exists, it is suspicious you do not provide your own explanation of its origin.
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#64

What do you guys think about how H.I.V. came to be

No one knows how AIDS got started but I am more inclined to believe that it is a man made virus and Robert Gallo had a big part in development.
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#65

What do you guys think about how H.I.V. came to be

Quote: (09-21-2011 07:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Magic Johnson is on the down low.

So he got it from someone's magic johnson? [Image: huh.gif]

I have read about a few different explanations; one of which is along the conspiracy lines.

1. HIV came from a biological warfare experiment in Fort Detrick, MD. The virus was spliced from an immuno-deficiency virus affecting animals, sheep I think it was.

2. It was combined with smallpox vaccinations and given to Africans to cure their smallpox. Dr. Gallo was involved in this explanation.
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#66

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Quote: (10-06-2011 06:32 PM)velkrum Wrote:  

No one knows how AIDS got started but I am more inclined to believe that it is a man made virus and Robert Gallo had a big part in development.

Bingo!
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#67

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Quote: (09-21-2011 07:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

From what I've read, I infer that to get HIV from vaginal sex you must have an open sore on your dick and she has to be on her period. Or you have to have an open sore and have really rough sex.

Check out this chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV#Transmission

If you have vaginal sex with an HIV positive girl 10,000 times, you have a 0.05% chance of getting it.
In other words, Magic Johnson is on the down low.
Where exactly did you get this math from? I'm almost positive that is wrong.
That would mean its literally impossible to get the HIV which we know is not true.
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#68

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Quote: (10-01-2012 11:54 AM)jammer Wrote:  

Quote: (09-21-2011 07:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

From what I've read, I infer that to get HIV from vaginal sex you must have an open sore on your dick and she has to be on her period. Or you have to have an open sore and have really rough sex.

Check out this chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV#Transmission

If you have vaginal sex with an HIV positive girl 10,000 times, you have a 0.05% chance of getting it.
In other words, Magic Johnson is on the down low.
Where exactly did you get this math from? I'm almost positive that is wrong.
That would mean its literally impossible to get the HIV which we know is not true.

There is a reason it hits drug users so much and their affiliated communities. It is bloody hard to get HIV you would have to bang men, shoot needles, and raw dog the dirtiest of whores to get it.

I swing and I am safe. But I have seen hundreds of people raw dog random people all the fuking time. We are all Hetero and in my time doing this I have never heard of anybody getting any rank shit. this is the type of taboo shit they claim will get you that HIV death with but I have never seen it.

I have only met one person in my life with HIV and it was a mentally challenged women whom dated a 40 yr old crack head whom was nutty himself. The other was a football player whom fucked around with mad girls and did not tell them, he fucked my classmates mom as she was a mega whore. She did not get shit though and they dated and fucked raw for months. Even having a pregnancy scare to boot!

The crack head is dead. The football player is locked up. The female whom I presumed had HIV, after more tests were done turned out she was clean and it was a false scare. So actually I really have not met anybody with it. And I worked in the health industry for almost 10 years!

I am not condoning wreaklessness with sex but it's damn hard to get HIV if your not a drug user, working on a boat ans banging dirty Moroccan hookers, or gay.
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#69

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Guy's question everything you are told.

If you cant sit through this whole video watch it 30mins at a time,but please watch the whole thing before you respond.







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#70

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Has anyone come across research showing the use of amphetamines increases contraction of AIDS ? I have read several articles over the years but can't seem to find them about how use of drugs like " poppers " and other drugs associated with the gay lifestyle is a major cause for increased infection rates. Has something to do with opening up of certain receptors that can attract the AIDS virus to flourish in the body.

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#71

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Quote: (10-01-2012 04:34 PM)BIGINJAPAN Wrote:  

Has anyone come across research showing the use of amphetamines increases contraction of AIDS ? I have read several articles over the years but can't seem to find them about how use of drugs like " poppers " and other drugs associated with the gay lifestyle is a major cause for increased infection rates. Has something to do with opening up of certain receptors that can attract the AIDS virus to flourish in the body.

I have no idea about this, but my first reaction is that it's correlation rather than causation.

Any drug use is linked to high risk behaviours, which in turn is connected to higher infection rates.

In any case I have very little time for all these conspiracy theories promoted by self-taught healthcare 'gurus'.

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#72

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Quote: (10-01-2012 04:43 PM)Caligula Wrote:  

Quote: (10-01-2012 04:34 PM)BIGINJAPAN Wrote:  

Has anyone come across research showing the use of amphetamines increases contraction of AIDS ? I have read several articles over the years but can't seem to find them about how use of drugs like " poppers " and other drugs associated with the gay lifestyle is a major cause for increased infection rates. Has something to do with opening up of certain receptors that can attract the AIDS virus to flourish in the body.

I have no idea about this, but my first reaction is that it's correlation rather than causation.

Any drug use is linked to high risk behaviours, which in turn is connected to higher infection rates.

In any case I have very little time for all these conspiracy theories promoted by self-taught healthcare 'gurus'.

Well I get how increased drug use lowers inhibitions and causes people to do things they wouldn't normally do. But I remember there being specific hypothesized experiments or studies that had led the scientist's to research the chemical reaction and the contraction of the virus.

I'm not sure how this is a conspiracy theory ? Obviously some of the researchers were led to believe something and they set out to prove whether it was true or not. In any event I am just looking for someone who may know where I can find those studies.

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#73

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#74

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Quote: (10-01-2012 04:55 PM)BIGINJAPAN Wrote:  

Quote: (10-01-2012 04:43 PM)Caligula Wrote:  

Quote: (10-01-2012 04:34 PM)BIGINJAPAN Wrote:  

Has anyone come across research showing the use of amphetamines increases contraction of AIDS ? I have read several articles over the years but can't seem to find them about how use of drugs like " poppers " and other drugs associated with the gay lifestyle is a major cause for increased infection rates. Has something to do with opening up of certain receptors that can attract the AIDS virus to flourish in the body.

I have no idea about this, but my first reaction is that it's correlation rather than causation.

Any drug use is linked to high risk behaviours, which in turn is connected to higher infection rates.

In any case I have very little time for all these conspiracy theories promoted by self-taught healthcare 'gurus'.

Well I get how increased drug use lowers inhibitions and causes people to do things they wouldn't normally do. But I remember there being specific hypothesized experiments or studies that had led the scientist's to research the chemical reaction and the contraction of the virus.

I'm not sure how this is a conspiracy theory ? Obviously some of the researchers were led to believe something and they set out to prove whether it was true or not. In any event I am just looking for someone who may know where I can find those studies.

Just to clarify I wasn't suggesting the idea you proposed to be a conspiracy theory, it's an interesting possibility. Was referring to the rest of the thread.

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What do you guys think about how H.I.V. came to be

Quote: (10-01-2012 02:53 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Quote: (10-01-2012 11:54 AM)jammer Wrote:  

Quote: (09-21-2011 07:24 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

From what I've read, I infer that to get HIV from vaginal sex you must have an open sore on your dick and she has to be on her period. Or you have to have an open sore and have really rough sex.

Check out this chart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV#Transmission

If you have vaginal sex with an HIV positive girl 10,000 times, you have a 0.05% chance of getting it.
In other words, Magic Johnson is on the down low.
Where exactly did you get this math from? I'm almost positive that is wrong.
That would mean its literally impossible to get the HIV which we know is not true.

There is a reason it hits drug users so much and their affiliated communities. It is bloody hard to get HIV you would have to bang men, shoot needles, and raw dog the dirtiest of whores to get it.

I swing and I am safe. But I have seen hundreds of people raw dog random people all the fuking time. We are all Hetero and in my time doing this I have never heard of anybody getting any rank shit. this is the type of taboo shit they claim will get you that HIV death with but I have never seen it.

I have only met one person in my life with HIV and it was a mentally challenged women whom dated a 40 yr old crack head whom was nutty himself. The other was a football player whom fucked around with mad girls and did not tell them, he fucked my classmates mom as she was a mega whore. She did not get shit though and they dated and fucked raw for months. Even having a pregnancy scare to boot!

The crack head is dead. The football player is locked up. The female whom I presumed had HIV, after more tests were done turned out she was clean and it was a false scare. So actually I really have not met anybody with it. And I worked in the health industry for almost 10 years!

I am not condoning wreaklessness with sex but it's damn hard to get HIV if your not a drug user, working on a boat ans banging dirty Moroccan hookers, or gay.
No I was challenging the math on Roosh's post. Based on my calculations, that would mean you have a 1 in 20 Million shot of contracting HIV for each bang with an HIV infected woman which would be absurd. Since less than 1% of women have HIV, that would put his odds at like 1 in 100 Million-1 Billion of ever contracting HIV. I'm guessing the 0.05% number is the odds per bang of an HIV infected woman not the odds of getting it in 10000 bangs. Based on my math, its almost impossible not to get HIV in 10000 bangs with an HIV infected woman at 0.05%.
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