[BortimusPrime]

Sargon also illustrates the problem with trying to stay in the center during a time of intense polarization, namely that both extremes are out to get you when they have the greatest amount of influence. Same trouble that cuckservative and non-commie democrat politicians are having.

It's highly probable that the hit piece on Sargon was caused by Metokur or one of his followers emailing journalists, since the streams where Sargon was quote mined weren't something a normie journalist would have come across naturally. So you have the alt-right using the leftist MSM to strike at a centrist. Had Sargon stayed cordial with the alt-right by disagreeing with them politely instead of having to shit on them (in an attempt to prove he wasn't one of them), he would have more support now.

[Labienus]

Sargon is also not that smart. That's the problem when YouTube personalities take themselves too seriously. Sargon is merely an entertainer who found a niche in the anti-SJW crowd in around 2014. He was effective at doing that, but he has really shown his limits in his attacks on the alt right.

His problem is that the anti-SJW field is now very saturated and he has lamentably failed to reinvent himself or evolve. He is a terrible debater and his attempt to create a liberalist political philosophy has been laughable.

Sargon was able to ride the anti-SJW/Gamergate wave but he has since shown his limits and is doomed to slowly fall back into obscurity.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(09-28-2018 03:52 PM)Labienus Wrote:  

Sargon is also not that smart. That's the problem when YouTube personalities take themselves too seriously. Sargon is merely an entertainer who found a niche in the anti-SJW crowd in around 2014. He was effective at doing that, but he has really shown his limits in his attacks on the alt right.

His problem is that the anti-SJW field is now very saturated and he has lamentably failed to reinvent himself or evolve. He is a terrible debater and his attempt to create a liberalist political philosophy has been laughable.

Sargon was able to ride the anti-SJW/Gamergate wave but he has since shown his limits and is doomed to slowly fall back into obscurity.

Watch the first 2 minutes of this stream when there are cuts of Sargon's statements.

Some may be out of context, but he seriously had an ego problem.

And the stream opens up another can of worms - the so-called Skeptics.

Most of them or many of them seem to have marbles loose:

+ Sargon has his irrational insane hangups on race, about the race of his grandfather or father, about whether Spaniards and Italians are even White or European

+ Kraut and Tea when attempting to debate the Alt-Right resorted to doxxing, slander, opening a discord-doxxing server where he compiled all the personal data about the guy - why debate someone when you can contact someone at work to get her fired (now defunct Youtuber Rage after Storm). Plus - Kraut and Tea has been outed as a cuck who claimed that he does not mind if his girlfriend fucks other men - that is just "basic biology" as the so-called unemployed German eternal student "academic" repeats again and again. Plus he is known into being pegged by the women who cuck him.

+ The Skeptics will often not even debate black Youtubers who defend the race and IQ issue, because that would be too unwelcome - they are literally like the mainstream media on that point

+ Laura Loomer - the crazy Jewish semi-SJW like all the other Skeptics is batshit insane, has been even stalking a Jewish blond guy and got recently removed from a Washington hearing while screaming something

+ Bunty King - drippingly Blue Pill, admits to eating the ass of a girl who cucked him - but he still loves her and hopes that she will come back and piss on him (yes - also). Like all the other Skeptics he has ethnic hangups denying his ancient and proud Indian heritage (not all is bad - they invented a shit-ton long time ago and created grand architecture) calling himself just Canadian - guess a passport is enough for Bunty King so long as he can get pissed on.

+ Mundanematt - another Skeptic - outed himself as a serial mass flagger of anyone who even mentions him even remotely negative - being a boring fat nothing-burger Blue Piller, then he gets mentioned by many

+ Based Mama and the entire Kilroy Event that she promised to be a Free-speech seminar, but then as a good little Skeptic she began to censor and delete anyone who was to the right of her - even slightly, plus she added massive strange contracts, no financial compensation to the bigger Youtubers and she grabbed 100k+ simply for herself and the other semi-SJW Skeptic cucks

I could go on and on - the Armoured Skeptic and his bald ShoeOnhead cute nutcase is the least of the lot. They are almost normal compared to the rest and have begun to steer clear from attacking anyone to the right - stick to the simple stuff like making fun of feminism & SJWs.

Seriously - when you look at the straight Alt-Right or Identitarian guys, then many are veritably sane, Red Pilled on women and based on some ancient perception. It's as if their ideology is based on reality and they don't try to straddle the fence of SJWs and reality ending up either pegged, turning out to become doxxers like the SJWs or being confused whether their grandfather is mixed, black or just a dark Portuguese bloke.

Sargon obviously miscalculated, but he really has no idea how the actual power is being applied in our world. And the Skeptics - Metokur has promised to have content for many weekly streams on them.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(09-28-2018 03:45 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

Sargon also illustrates the problem with trying to stay in the center during a time of intense polarization, namely that both extremes are out to get you when they have the greatest amount of influence. Same trouble that cuckservative and non-commie democrat politicians are having.

It's highly probable that the hit piece on Sargon was caused by Metokur or one of his followers emailing journalists, since the streams where Sargon was quote mined weren't something a normie journalist would have come across naturally. So you have the alt-right using the leftist MSM to strike at a centrist. Had Sargon stayed cordial with the alt-right by disagreeing with them politely instead of having to shit on them (in an attempt to prove he wasn't one of them), he would have more support now.

The problem is - Sargon's views and the cuckservative perception of Western civilization since the 1960s may be all wrong. This very idea may be the downfall of the West even if the takeover began much sooner.

So he is simply backing a wrong horse while sane guys on the Alt-Right like Jared Taylor, Frame Games or Martin Sellner/Britney Pettibone/ Red Ice - they are simply talking about basics which were taken for granted from 10.000 BC to 1960. Your Normandy beach storming grandfather likely shared most views as a matter of fact and the same views are replicated by the first Black Panthers in the 1960s and 70s.

So Sargon's straddle was doomed to fail anyway - you either join the mainstream, stay in the safe zones of criticizing SJWs, the worst madness and Islam, but don't get too high on your own farts. That is why so many Skeptics fail when honestly trying to debate guys like Jared Taylor.

If they did it honestly then it would end up like this where a Japanese station spoke with Taylor:

You can then later only attack the guys to the right by long-term predictions that they would do genocide, become purity-larpers, kick out all non-Whites etc. But that is just hyperbole and not a recreation of the Reich.

[Leonard D Neubache]

The safe middle is only the safe middle while the Left is busy attacking the people further to the truth end of the spectrum, and frankly I'm done referring to it as the "far right" because guys like Spencer and Taylor have never been able to be debunked on a factual or evidence based metric. Guys like Sargon try to win on emotion and then claim victory on facts and logic, so at the end of the day they're simply bitches who cry, get their way, and then claim their wins are a product of their inherent worth.

But if/when the guys further to the truth end of the spectrum are knocked off and silenced then the faggots in the safe "center right' regions will find that their civic nationalism isn't going to protect them. The communists didn't run special "low security" gulags with golf courses and day trips for critics of Stalin who were "mostly polite about it". You were either on the list or you weren't, and if you were on the list you might as well go in hard. I can't imagine what it felt like to end up in the same salt mine as a hardcore dissenter when all you could manage personally was to politely beg the politburo for a bit more meat in your gruel.

Growing up and growing balls in the 21st century as a man is learning that if you value truth and real freedom then you will never be accepted or given fair treatment by the mainstream. Not this side of a bloody revolution.

Cucks and faggots, though, will skirt around this fundamental truth and pretend that if they throw enough honest truth speakers under the bus then they will be able to politely win back civility in the West. The ugly truth is that if Roosh was just a member and this was merely the "NeoMasculinityForum" then there would be no shortage of guys here tossing Obama under the bus as a racist rape-apologist. The forum has lurched red-pill for several years and cut away many highly repped members that were otherwise also highly progressive.

If Sargon of Akkad were running this forum then guys would still be getting instabanned for suggesting that an America populated entirely by Somalians would invariably become a shithole, no matter what magical Constitution it was founded under.

[BortimusPrime]

I don't think they really expect the gulag to come about fundamentally. The core of the center stance seems to be a disbelief that our civilization could really alter itself severely due to pressure from either the left or right. There hasn't been total chaos in the United States for 150 years, and there's never been anything here that genuinely approaches the level of totalitarianism that was seen under Stalin.

The problem with being on the truth end of the spectrum is that it's a lot like being a prepper. If a huge natural disaster does actually strike you're far better off than everyone else for having prepared, but odds of that happening during your lifetime are low and the social cost of being prepared is that everyone else thinks you're a screwball for prepping.

[Yatagan]

Teal Deer on Sargon of Applebees' trying to punch above his mental weight and his recent fumblings.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(09-28-2018 11:16 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

The safe middle is only the safe middle while the Left is busy attacking the people further to the truth end of the spectrum, and frankly I'm done referring to it as the "far right" because guys like Spencer and Taylor have never been able to be debunked on a factual or evidence based metric. Guys like Sargon try to win on emotion and then claim victory on facts and logic, so at the end of the day they're simply bitches who cry, get their way, and then claim their wins are a product of their inherent worth.

That's exactly what actually happened when I listened to those debates - the main argument was: "If we did it your way, then you would instantly do Hitlerian DNA tests, Aryan classifications and expulsions or genocide of all the mixed and non-Whites." So they are basing it on their own Holocoustian propaganda lessons of what anyone Identitarian looks like, despite the fact that it was simply your fucking grandfathers views in the 1930s and 40s.

I also noted that guys like Amazing Atheist have swung hard pro-White in their videos - this is going to accelerate as you will see the hysteria and pressure from the Bolshevik left continue - plus you will see ever more areas enriched by people who somehow were not magically transformed by the British soil into decent hard-working classical liberals.

[Foolsgo1d]

We are definitely up shit creek when we are still in the youtube stage of denial and these youtube personalities are attacking each other and there are others from the outside trying to muscle in to earn some $$ because all they have to do is say the West is doomed and we are holding an event where you pay a lot of money to attend.

We should have been on the ball as soon as the Patriot Act was announced after 9/11. Protests now are irrelevant and paid lip service to get them off the streets or, in the case of the working man they are limited in what they can do because a job doesn't give two fucks over your wishes to protest.

Whats done is done and there is no way the powers that be are going to rescind what powers they have over the people they rule. And this is what powers we know about so what else they have remains unknown for now.

Having intellectual debates is not going to stop demographics from changing. It wont stop the police and secret services targeting dissenting voices and it isn't going to change the direction Europe and GB is heading.

The personalities like Paul Joseph Watson have energised a lukewarm and disorganised group of people and honestly I wouldn't be so sure the police dont have him as a target in the future.

For those who will point out Italy as an example, lets not forget the current leader wants to pass the migrants on and has no issue with them coming. His problem was geography and politics. French police were restricting movement and the alps were a nogo for a lot of migrants.

Too little too late is the way I see it. Best get a US passport and be on your way to preserve your genes.

[Aurini]

Sargon never had a moral core. He was in it for his own glorification - popularity - he lacked the inner steel that is needed to lead and survive in a hostile world.

Some people viewed him as a gateway to the Alt Right. He always struck me as an excuse for leaving the soft pig-iron in a man's soul, never forging it into something that could hold a temper.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way. He got out of the way. Good.

[Syberpunk]

Comment: "The irony of Sargon calling others "gatekeepers" physically hurts."

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Sargon and the other "Skeptics" are just a bunch of semi-SJWs, who at best go into Peterson-level of fake opposition.

In reality here he outs himself celebrating with glee when Youtubers who irk him get deplatformed. He even retweets content to the Wallstreet Journal.

All those fuckers who dare not go into the reality of life are ultimately left with the same strategy as the Left/Globalists when faced with real arguments: SHUT IT DOWN!

That is why this moron considers the Alt Right to be his "enemy". They are his enemy, because he cannot debate them on facts, so like all the other SJWs and globalist minions - they resort in the creation of "target lists", personal attacks and deplatforms.

By the way - that also concerns the local Red Pilled semi-SJWs - they have the same tactic - personal attacks followed by nothing and more personal attacks.

There are Youtubers out there that have gone pretty Red Pill on all topics, but don't talk about it, because it hurts their business and maybe also their mood - PewDiPie is one, that big American Persian gaming Youtuber who at one time talked about too openly about race, then let the topic go. Even this Armoured Skeptic and Shoe just stay clear from attacks to the right. They deal with easy anti-SJW content and attempts at fun.

But on the other side - on the so-called intellectuals you have Sargon, Kraut&Tea, Vee - essentially nothing more than globalist cock-suckers who better shut down their own eyes and ears to reality, so that maybe some day the establishment may like them. And in the process they become the same monsters of the like of Anita Sarkeesian.

It's interesting that lies and deceit never holds up too long. You always have to be intellectually honest if you want to enter that ring - or just don't talk about it like PewDiPie and others. Law of Silence is fine, but there is no divine Law of Deceit, Lies and Censorship.

And that is why Youtube is also censoring the Killstream - because it grows and would have continued to grow. Men see unencumbered speech winning against oppressive moronic bullshit - and thus they need to end it. Sargon will never be dangerous to the establishment. That fucker's kids are going to be a hated minority in the country their ancestors built. And Sargon in his later years will realize that the magic soil did not make the Africans and Muslims into perfect replica of the old Brits. What worked with the Vikings, the French and maybe would have worked with some EE-immigrants won't work when the tribes are too far apart. In the later stages the UK will become a shithole and maybe then when he is 75, he will say: "Maybe Richard Spencer was right."

[Leonard D Neubache]

Nailed it, SS.

Our local gatekeepers are just the same. The mantra is "you should want our support*" with the little caveat in the fine print:

*but we demand the right to decide what you notice and what you discuss

And like all social justice warriors along the spectrum, for them the ends always justify the means. The moment they decide you're problematic you're dead to rights. They will hound you with baseless insults, report you for trivia, slander you, misquote you, and if they got the chance they would dox you and laugh.

The highest repped among them flat out said that Youtube was right to ban a particular Murdoch Murdoch video "because it was blatantly racist."

Sometimes it's not the lengthy posts but the momentary off-hand comments that betray what a person really stands for. If bloodshed broke out, these are the guys that would shoot you in the back just before victory was declared and then without opposition add an addendum to the First Amendment*:

*Unless it can be construed as offensive on racial grounds.

Any man that adds *these to your life is baggage at best or an enemy at worst, and seeks on some level to be your master. Be wary of them, and never show them your back.

[Syberpunk]

This marked the beginning of a bad year for Sargon, and Spencer has my favourite insult that drives people nuts "educated beyond your intelligence"

S'gon.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< It's sad frankly.

Sargon is not really viewed as an enemy to the guys on the right, but he views them as such. He gets along well with Millennial Woes. He got his Patreon worth 12.000$/month shut down recently and lost his child at a stillbirth.

Now he realizes that the left won't hold back on him - why should they? To them anyone not 100% in tune with their propaganda is the enemy. You were not allowed to criticize Stalin at all, so why did he think that he would get away with it?

Don't get me wrong - I do think that Sargon is wrong on many levels, and maybe dishonest or unable to jump across the shadow cast by his family heritage.

They are beginning to shut him down because he is just too popular and too big. The elite would also love to shut down Pewdipie, because they know that he will oppose them sooner or later anyway since they are planning far worse things in the future. The inner party members are under greater surveillance than the outer ones anyway.

[Foolsgo1d]

On the words of the Stalin and Mao era ^

The people who were responsible for the purges were purged themselves. I would have thought a man such as him would know a few details regarding history on the way humans work in that type of environment.

Same shit, differnt age but humans will always behave roughly in the same way.

[[email protected]]

I'm not seeing how this is bad for him. He's now a martyr and the center of attention. He's getting more sympathy and gibs coming through SuscribeStar and if that fails I'm sure there is Bitcoin or Monero. He's on the verge of 1m suscribers, how is he in a bad situation? He doesn't have any position on anything and has nothing innovative or unique about him other than his smugness, which works. He's an online personality, not much different from Boogie that's slightly right of center - he's just an online clown like everyone else. It works.

[Roosh]

Looks like SubscribeStar has been deplatformed by Stripe and Paypal:

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[Simeon_Strangelight]

(12-14-2018 08:29 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  

I'm not seeing how this is bad for him. He's now a martyr and the center of attention. He's getting more sympathy and gibs coming through SuscribeStar and if that fails I'm sure there is Bitcoin or Monero. He's on the verge of 1m suscribers, how is he in a bad situation? He doesn't have any position on anything and has nothing innovative or unique about him other than his smugness, which works. He's an online personality, not much different from Boogie that's slightly right of center - he's just an online clown like everyone else. It works.

Yeah - good luck with that - you can ask Roosh how his Paypal termination automatically transformed to Bitcoin/Monero donations.

Get real. Martyrdom does not give you 12.000$ a month. A few will continue to donate via other means, but the majority won't.

Hitting via banking and the big payment processors like Paypal, Mastercard, Maestro - that is essentially de-monetizing you to an overwhelming degree. And this is barely the beginning. Gavin McGinness is of similar political bent as Sargon - maybe only minimally to the right and he was de-platformed almost everywhere. Even fucking Millennial Woes said that he is afraid of inviting Gavin on his show, because he fears getting banned by Youtube if he does!

And Woes is an ethno-nationalist.

What big tech is doing is simple - they apply the same methods as the Bolsheviks - take people out incrementally, first Stormfront, then Alex Jones, then increasingly everyone willy-nilly, but not too many at the same time or there would be an outrage. It's first Paypal there, then Amazon banning, then website and domain withdrawal, then complete shutdown even on the dark web.

Your most "far-right" guy will be Bill Maher or some cuckservative. Only then will they be satisfied. And don't think that even such forums will be allowed to stay online. Why should they let you voice even minimal opposition? When you meet in real life, then for sure a few agents will be among you, so they got that covered. The real Fight Club would be filled with undercover agents and would get nowhere.

[Teedub]

What's happening is scary. When Visa and Mastercard getting involved, what do our side do? They can literally leave you starving.

In his own words:"The progressive censorship machine is revving up. All the pieces are in place for the IDW, Alt Media and Alt Tech to make something new, however, they just need a billionaire patron to do it."

No more punching right though Sargon. I'm going to stop it also, not that I matter!

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Sargon punched right to appease the globalists never realizing that they won't allow him to punch left either.

The new right does not need to shut him down, the right can deal with Sargon, civic nationalism and the moronic left with arguments and examples, with petitions to reality. There is simply no reason to shut down opposition, just a way to communicate and teach about the reality of life.

That is why the left wants to shut down Sargon. He simply says more truth than their NPC-propaganda-educational-gulags. And that is why they will ultimately come for everyone to the right. If the right was populated mainly by some Nazi-Larpers then they would let them stay as the big boogiemen. But the reality is that many are far smarter and simply utterly new. They - the new right doesn't need Nazi book burnings. Their ideas will win if they are allowed a voice. And that voice is being snuffed out.

[Foolsgo1d]

(12-14-2018 08:29 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  

I'm not seeing how this is bad for him. He's now a martyr and the center of attention. He's getting more sympathy and gibs coming through SuscribeStar and if that fails I'm sure there is Bitcoin or Monero. He's on the verge of 1m suscribers, how is he in a bad situation? He doesn't have any position on anything and has nothing innovative or unique about him other than his smugness, which works. He's an online personality, not much different from Boogie that's slightly right of center - he's just an online clown like everyone else. It works.

His family is at risk from the government and Antifa-types and those who follow him can also be doxxed. No such protection for them is there?

His British base would be subject to the full force of the law if they decided to go after people not behind a good VPN.

[Teedub]

I just learned about Sargon having a stillborn kid, revolting that some of his critics made fun of him for it. I'm talking guys on the right—very low grade behaviour. But, when you're that into internet bloodsports that's how low you'll go I guess.

But anyway, back on topic. They're coming for everyone, but I'm sure they're aware of the phrase "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". These silicon valley nerds are creating a very chaotic future in the western world with all this censorship. All the dissidents, even though they might not all agree on every issue, need to come together. Everyone from Alex Jones to Roosh, Tommy Robinson to Mark Collett, Sargon to Millennial Woes. Fuck, that Sargon is considered a "baddy" shows we're fucking fucked. It's almost enough to make you want to quit your job and paying your bills to stop funding the system—just go and dwell in a cave somewhere and plan a 9/11 for the Google headquarters.

Maybe we should team up with Islam like the left has and use them for our goals instead! Joking aside, they also want him gone because Sargon eats away at legacy media. 900k subs from talking about politics is pretty incredible—especially as they legacy media's main viewership is literally dying off from old age. They need people like Sargon gone, and his audience consuming their content instead. Otherwise, they're dead.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Of course they need Sargon gone. And Pewdipie too - the Youtube Rewind 2018 is a perfect example where they handpicked "a diverse" crowd of Youtubers that hardly anyone watches. Blue-haired SJWs and NPCs that they control fully - 10 mio. dislikes is the result.

As for the jokes - Sargon came out before with direct tweets to the Wallstreet journal to entice the media to attempt to ban the Killstream and others. The jokes were in bad taste, but they came directly after the action of Sargon where he himself engaged in some censorship LARPing. I get it that he was not in a good place after the stillbirth of his kid, but if you punch in a SJW-fashion, then you should expect some flak. Besides - the drama there is useless even if it was started by the stupid semi-SJW-skeptics and Sargon simply picked the wrong side - should have stayed out of the likes of KrautandTea. They pull you only into the gutter.

And as for unification - we can unite all we want, but the web of control is rather extreme. Even if you got a Red PIll billionaire willing to fund alternative channels, sites and payment processing systems - they have tools to even shut down those. All domains are under US jurisdiction and can be closed - worldwide. Of course they can also use more extreme measures when it's financed by one guy - he can be threatened. The real James Bond of this world is doing that kind of dirty work - he isn't fighting evildoers with golden guns.

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Crypto was built for this - censorship resistance. Sure, fiat exchanges like coinbase will probably end up banning Sargon like they have banned Roosh in the recent past because of muh TOS. That still doesn't stop you from using local bitcoins or using a sock/sleeve to cash out your crypto for you. These guys are going to have to adapt for the time being and crypto has no middle men.