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03-13-2018, 11:57 AM
It would be nice if we could focus more on Vox's writings and ideas in this thread instead of "Vox is Gamma", or a certain poster is Gamma etc... we are falling prey to all the logical fallacies Vox warns readers about.
The question should be, who has the good ideas on the right?
I see some sharp analysis as well as contradictions in the things that Vox writes and those are the more interesting things to explore.
Vox predicted that Trump's administration would have record turnover and today's news shows that prediction coming true.
If only you knew how bad things really are.
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03-13-2018, 12:25 PM
I know him and have spoken with him, on the phone (Not in person) a few times.
He's not a gamma. I don't know what he is, 'cause I still find the whole "hierarchy" thing a little hard to apply to actual people, but I do know what gammas are like. I've dealt with a ton of them in my life. They're real, they're exist, and they're FUCKING ANNOYING.
Actually, I just had a thought.
Are there any Trump supporters who are gammas? I've never met one, and like I said, I know a lot of gammas.
Liking Trump means liking someone who's more successful than you are, unless you too are a billionaire president who flies around in his private jet to fuck supermodels. And I don't think gammas are capable of doing that.
Has anyone here met a gamma trump supporter? I'd be curious to know.
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03-13-2018, 12:39 PM
Highly intelligent Gammas are indeed very strange, but most of them are odd and weird around both women as well as men.
Though honestly I met some clear Alpha and Sigma guys who were both smart and assholes at the same time. Some of them are cunts or have huge egos. It gets mistaken for Gamma-ish behavior were it not for the fact that the guy turns around and bangs a new conquest the next day or is beloved by his group of male friends while also acting like a cunt somewhere else.
No idea bout the classifications which are only mental props and Trump supporters, but my take on Trump supporters is this:
+ more testosterone
+ more individual
+ more conservative or at least anti-SJW
+ more distrustful of the media and mainstream
+ if I had to estimate IQs of men who support him, then it would both the lowest and highest in IQs who are behind him - the SJWs and left recruit more around the middle (and this is also backed by studies of those who see through propaganda - you lose the bottom and upper curves the fastest)
Almost all Trump supporters I met were too well-rounded to be qualified as Gamma either way.
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03-13-2018, 04:18 PM
Quote:SamuelBRoberts Wrote:
Has anyone here met a gamma trump supporter? I'd be curious to know.
I would tentatively nominate Youtube personality, RC Maxwell, as a Trump-supporting Gamma.
He's a Black conservative who referred to himself as "Black Hannity" during a heated debate with Nick Fuentes. (I've never heard of him before the debate, and I don't think that nickname was given to him by someone else. And if it wasn't, then RC Maxwell has an enormously high opinion of himself.) During that debate, he also repeatedly mentioned his life as a "professional college debater".
Nick argued that Black people don't assimilate into American politics, as evidenced by their never producing a successful world settlement and by voting for Barack Obama at 93+%. RC Maxwell then argued that "Voting patterns have nothing to do with assimilation." - and that Blacks voting for Obama
is assimilation because "they're literally participating in the American democratic system".
I don't have any links to video, but you could see RC's face freeze for about two seconds after he said that. You could also sense that Nick and the debate moderator (Baked Alaska) were silent-laughing and realizing that RC just said something really fucking stupid. This caused RC to fire a long string of insults at Nick, which were laughed away.
I don't know RC well enough to say whether he's Gamma, but that was definitely a string of Gamma moments.
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03-13-2018, 10:35 PM
Quote: (03-13-2018 04:18 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:
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I don't know (whoever) well enough to say whether he's Gamma, but that was definitely a string of Gamma moments.
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T'would be nice that we be able to meet in some sort of middle ground such as this.
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03-20-2018, 05:18 PM
Vox's taxonomizing of absolutely everything just reminds me of that weird kid from school who'd talk your ear off about his bug collection that's categorized by genus and stored next to the plastic bin of color-coded new-in-box GI Joes. I don't think I'd call Vox a gamma, but he seems very much like someone who was probably a really strange kid but figured out how to work things to his benefit; a turbo-powered nerd, if you will, who was probably beat up exactly once before he set the bully's car on fire in retribution and other kids learned to stay the hell away.
It's not really surprising why people keep "bringing it up," when shouting "Gamma!" at anybody who questions him about anything is Vox's go-to response. The guy is a genuinely talented writer, why he spends so much time in petty arguments is puzzling and has really dragged down the quality of his blog over the last few years. Vox reminds me of the evangelical megachurch pastor Mark Driscoll, who seems to have a similar pathology and need to always be right about everything that muddies the waters of what would otherwise be consistently high-quality output.
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06-01-2018, 01:23 PM
Something that has been consistent about Vox Day since day one is his "my way or the highway" mentality. This is a mentality that is very common to those who believe in religion, BTW.
For example, Vox posted a ranting diatribe against MGTOW types on his blog about six months ago. Having limited familiarity with the term, I commented on his blog asking for clarification of what constituted being a MGTOW. Was it one of these ranty raving types who hate western women that want to make it into a movement? Or is a MGTOW any guys, for whatever reason, chose not to get married and have kids? The way I posed the question was if I were a guy who generally likes women, even western women, but chose not to get married and have kids because, say, I like travel and international life style, or simply enjoy my life doing outdoor sports and like to have money and peace of mind and, thus, simply did not prioritize marriage and kids. In the opinion of most of the responses I got in his blog, it turns out that even these latter cases even where you do not identity with MGTOW as a movement, still considered one an MGTOW.
I made the snarky response that one can be an MGTOW even without knowing it. I also made the comment that share very little personal information about myself (whether I'm married, etc.) simply because I don't consider it anyone else's business how I live my life and that, furthermore, to question the private life choices of people who clearly have their act together (for example, do not have drug, alcohol, or other such problem) to be rude and socially unacceptable behavior.
In short, Vox Day does exhibit rude behavior from time to time.
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06-01-2018, 04:06 PM
Quote: (02-26-2018 11:09 PM)Enoch Wrote:
Dude is a true polymath who has taken the path less travelled. Best blog on the internet. An ex hated his content which is how I knew she wasnt the one.
That's a good barometer...I've had exes who hated Roissy, or Jordan Petersen...and I know I made the right choice in not marrying them.
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06-01-2018, 04:10 PM
Quote: (06-01-2018 01:23 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:
In short, Vox Day does exhibit rude behavior from time to time.
It's the reason I stopped visiting his blog. The rudeness, and the incessant "world is ending" negativity. Funny that he bashes MGTOW's...they have the same "world is ending" perspective! I think his "fire and brimstone" negativity comes from his religious perspective. Now, I happen to think religion adds a lot of value to society, particularly in moderating women's behavior. So I understand why people would want religious tenets upheld and i even understand why some would choose to adhere to them, themselves. But do I believe a Jewish carpenter from 2,000 years ago is actually god? Ummm, no. And he won't stop banging on about it. So, I stopped paying attention.
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06-01-2018, 05:12 PM
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I made the snarky response
Well, Vox really hates any kind of snark, because Gammas use it a lot.
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06-01-2018, 06:09 PM
I have a somewhat differing conclusion to Voxday that occurred to me recently :
Voxday essentially likes a mental challenge.
With his mentality, when he comes across a notable speaker / author or popular speaker / author; Voxday's inclination is to analyse & postulate on that speakers content.
Then if Voxday finds a flaw or a failing in the intellectual conclusions of said speaker, Voxday is obviously one to broadcast his analysis / opinions of those failings.
So it was that he wrote a book pointing out the intellectual flaws & failings of Richard Dawkins, the one Hitchens & Sam Harris in 'The Irrational Atheist'.
He's written books arguing against SJW's as a whole.
He's conducted (or been willing to conduct) debates with varied YouTube / Twitter notables (Ben Shapiro).
If the said third party speaker is willing to engage with Voxday, then they'd better be willing to sink their teeth into the matter.
Cause we all know Voxday will, in an intellectual context.
Yet if they shirk / shy away or fail to challenge Voxday on an intellectual level, then Voxday is likely to move onto another challenge.
So at this point. Who could be a bigger intellectual challenge for Voxday than none other than the internets latest darling - Jordan Peterson?
Do note, that I say all of the above to where it's not about the specific personalities, it's not about the specific individuals in question.
It's all to do with the notion of an intellectual challenge.
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06-01-2018, 07:55 PM
I think Vox's biggest problem is that he subscribes to a Gamma driven internet battle-royale mentality over who will lead the Right to ultimate victory. This mentality is massively prevalent among the Right in general which is one of the reasons that we're so ineffective at actually winning. Rather than fighting the left we'd rather participate in an endless circle jerk over who gets to be new-Jesus on the internet. Vox has a large fan base simply because he's very good or at least very active in fighting to be new-Jesus on the internet.
If Vox were willing to move back to America and start some kind of movement that actually had a real world presence then I would give him support. Instead he lives in exile while insulting Peterson as a "physical coward" for running away from a bully at the tender age of 6 years old.
But like every other participant for the title of new-Jesus-on-the-internet he is irrelevant until he takes away the on-the-internet part and actually begins a real world organisation where stuff actually gets done.
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06-01-2018, 08:47 PM
Which is, ultimately, a Gamma type of mentality in some ways. It's also a very feminine behavior to live for the sake of seeking internet fame like some basic thot who lives her entire life trying to up the number of Instagram followers.
It's also about cash. A lot of these guys are various types of affiliate marketers so being "internet jesus" isn't really about actually causing any positive social change but about making money off your websites and books. Effectively they're the private jet pastors of 2018.
The problem with actually striking a blow for the better is that you end up exiled in Russia or confined to an Ecuadorian embassy, and not traveling the world on your five figures a month location independent income.
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06-01-2018, 10:25 PM
What's funny to me is that around 8-9 years ago, I came to the conclusion that national debt and other issues would result in a sort of collapse or breakup of the U.S. around the early 30"s. I then read Vox's book on the return of the depression that also predicted the same event around the same time frame, early 30's. Vox's prediction was based more on the issues of ethnic conflict and HBD. Mine was rooted almost exclusively on the debt issue. The mass retirement of the boomers will force the choice between funding social programs, mostly for the NAMS, or the Social Security, mostly for the boomer retirements. We'll be able to have one or the other, but not both. And forget about the massively expensive military and foreign interventionism. All of this, I predicted, would lead to a financial and social disaster by the early 30's.
Largely due to the fracking revolution (read all about this in Peter Zeihan's latest book), I no longer subscribe to this scenario, and said so on Vox's blog a couple of days ago. I got very little response to this assertion. But at least I did not get flamed, which is a good enough for me.
I believe the fracking revolution, combined with increased automation as well as a Trump "Reagan" economic resurgence, will kick that can down the road another 20 to 30 years, say to the 2050's or even 2060's.
Vox, being much more in tune to the racial/ethnic perspective on this, still subscribes to his early 30's breakup scenario.
Only time will tell as to which of us is correct.
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06-02-2018, 12:21 AM
More like it's neither in his personality nor his interest to not grind that axe.
Ultimately the economics drive it,and migrants are a consequence of that cycle. Regardless of the specific details the root cause is always the same: governments get too greedy, spend more than they have, and then begin cannibalizing their own economies trying to stay in power which leads to violence.
There is no long term western economic resurgence coming. Debt loads are enormous especially if you count in the massive pension obligations that are bankrupting municipalities all over the US. We are now in a situation where interest rates are being forced up at the same time as we have a strong dollar which is going to be catastrophic for the Eurozone and have global implications.
Put this into perspective: Draghi has offhand admitted that the ECB CAN NOT stop buying european debt because there are no other bidders. The only thing propping up the continued existence of Germany and other EU governments is the ECB's debt buying power The moment that dries up they have to deal with a massive drawdown. Couple that with a dramatic shift in the real interest rates they pay jumping and on top of an already tense migrant situation you've got a recipe for widespread societal anarchy in Europe.
The US is in a similar situation but benefits from having the reserve currency and a lower debt load. However it IS regionally divided and we have municipalities that are starting to tax and fine everything that moves in order to stay solvent...which just accelerates the collapse as people and businesses flee. I'm already noticing that the white collar job postings in "flyover" states are starting to outnumber the ones in traditional leftist Utopia cities
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06-02-2018, 02:44 AM
The whole world is currently burying bad debt with more debt because if a single major debt is called in and defaulted on then it creates a domino effect of collapsing lendors. For any one of them to go after a credit risk would reveal them to be insolvent a dozen times over. Whatever people's opinions on the "too big to fail" bailouts are, the reality is that if those banks weren't bailed out we would currently be looking at a radically different world than the one we're semi-comfortable with right now.
It will remain to be seen whether this house of cards can be propped long enough for the elites to complete their stranglehold on the world. We can be certain that the very second they realise the jig is up they're going to throw up a false flag attack and take us to war with whoever they want to be rid of. The resultant economic chaos will be blamed on the enemy at that point.
It's the biggest squirrel grip in history. Damned if we stop it. Damned if we don't.
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