[Keepiticy2]

What do you guys think of this? haven't been any recent threads on the topic so wanted to see if there are any new opinions on the subject

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TSiPprjloo

[911]

[Razor Beast]

I'm more interested in hearing about economically viable solutions to mining untapped areas of Earth. There's a huge amount of Earth (deep sea and below ice) that has yet to be explored. That's the key - economically viable. Anyone can throw out random futuristic ideas with the intent to suck in vast amounts of unproductive capital. That's not useful because it rarely leads to any progress and does nothing to advance society technologically. Society won't be doing anything notable in space likely for hundreds to thousands of years. Using Earth-like combustion methods for space propulsion or any activity in space is not the answer and a laughable waste of time and money.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

I'm very interested, and I have a marketable skill set in this field.

I want to go to space. However, I want to get laid, and I want to be able to go drink at a cool bar when I'm there.

[Foolsgo1d]

(02-23-2018 06:15 PM)Razor Beast Wrote:  

I'm more interested in hearing about economically viable solutions to mining untapped areas of Earth. There's a huge amount of Earth (deep sea and below ice) that has yet to be explored. That's the key - economically viable. Anyone can throw out random futuristic ideas with the intent to suck in vast amounts of unproductive capital. That's not useful because it rarely leads to any progress and does nothing to advance society technologically. Society won't be doing anything notable in space likely for hundreds to thousands of years. Using Earth-like combustion methods for space propulsion or any activity in space is not the answer and a laughable waste of time and money.

Not sure if serious.

[IvanDrago]

Humanity hasn't settled the poles or the oceans yet. You are watching too many sci-fi movies and jerking off to Spacex porn. Don't put the cart in front of the horse, we aren't there yet.

Once someone makes Antarctica and the ocean floors habitable, then I will believe humanity is anywhere near a point where it can reach out and do something valuable beyond earth's orbit.

[Razor Beast]

(02-23-2018 09:03 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 06:15 PM)Razor Beast Wrote:  

I'm more interested in hearing about economically viable solutions to mining untapped areas of Earth. There's a huge amount of Earth (deep sea and below ice) that has yet to be explored. That's the key - economically viable. Anyone can throw out random futuristic ideas with the intent to suck in vast amounts of unproductive capital. That's not useful because it rarely leads to any progress and does nothing to advance society technologically. Society won't be doing anything notable in space likely for hundreds to thousands of years. Using Earth-like combustion methods for space propulsion or any activity in space is not the answer and a laughable waste of time and money.

Not sure if serious.

Apparently context went right over your head. Which is why your bold tags aren't necessary. Read the thread title, then read the entire post again. Amazing that people have the nerve to suggest wild ideas like this when the entire globe is up to its eyeballs in debt. Do you think trees built on top of sand grow to the sky? One big wave and the whole thing topples over.

[IvanDrago]

(02-23-2018 06:15 PM)Razor Beast Wrote:  

Society won't be doing anything notable in space likely for hundreds to thousands of years.

Wait, you mean launching a car in to low earth orbit isn't productive or anything more than a TV commercial to sell cars? How dare you sir!

(02-23-2018 09:03 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Not sure if serious.

Not sure if you're serious.

[Sooth]

Got 40 seconds in and heard deGrasse Tyson.
One of the few people in this world who I can't listen to.

My prediction for worlds first trillionaire will be the first person to create an apt AI software that teaches itself how to make money online.

God Tyson is infuriating. Still got a bad taste in my ears from his voice.

[Tex Cruise]

Baaaaaahhhhhhh ba-pa paaa ba-pa paaaahhh...... bup-a-pup-a-paah.

[blck]

Illusion misdirection and ridicule are the 3 hallmarks of an operation of deception, the last one being the most efficient "Too much scifi dude...".
Do not talk about innovative ideas, it's the consensus here, or at least not seriously, like talking about crypto-currencies 10y ago would have got you kicked out of most money talks but today everyone is in it.

The what-should-I-text-next is almost 3300 posts long because nobody have been able to come with a solid framework to answer text but some interesting threads with good ideas are left dying.

This thread had potential but, as always, it has been driven down even when good hypothesis because yes fossile combustible won't be the way to explore space and believing tyson degrasse space rambles is like following dr oz health advices...

[Hypno]

Here is an interesting article about deep sea mining. What you have to realize is that on the surface of the earth, and even under the surface, many of the easy to reach mineral deposits have been depleted. In gold mining for example, if you find a deposit that has 1 gram of gold per ton of rock (which has 900,000 grams) its considered a good deposit and might be economically viable depending on its size and access to infrastructure like power and transportation.

Some of these deep sea deposits are orders of magnitude richer, and the trick is getting them to the surface. Of course, deep sea mining will be orders of magnitude easier than space.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-...sea_mining

[zigZag]

We'll definitely see space mining. It will be under 100 years. Technically we've already mined things in space. We got moon rocks from the apollo missions and right now we have a rover on mars that's drilling into soil and taking samples. The biggest problem is getting off earth cheaply and powering missions once in space. Both of those things can be overcome. It's one thing to go to another planet though. It's totally something different to set up a complete supply chain in space.

The issue is that we need nuclear power for any sort of serious space exploration and the regulatory environment in USA sucks when it comes to getting reactors approved. That's why we're seeing companies building reactors in China and India and the people creating new types of reactors are doing it in Canada and other countries where it's easier.

The next phase will be putting a permanent colony on mars. After that we can start thinking about mining asteroids. I think we won't even need to solve the issue of launching from earth because we'll be able to manufacture things on mars.

Equally we won't be mining the deep ocean floor for a while. We don't currently have the materials to build large scale craft that can withstand the pressures at that depth.

[Keepiticy2]

Maybe its the mass effect fanboy in me that has me excited for this. Pretty much everything nowadays was a breakthrough away. cars, planes, weapons, etc. All DRASTICALLY changed within 10-20 years. It's always easier to innovate than it is to come up with a new concept.

[Ski pro]

I'm still waiting for power laces, flying cars, mr fusion and self drying jackets promised in Back to the Future 2.

Sort those and then we can talk about 'space mining'.

[911]

Flying cars are around the corner, in the form of passenger drones, they will replace more expensive options like helicopters which are already in use by the 0.1% in cities like Sao Paolo. Uber passenger drones will be the equivalent of limousine service in many metropoles by the next decade.

http://www.businessinsider.com/flying-ca...016-6?op=1

Cold fusion and other forms of cheap energy technology are being suppressed, but eventually that dam could break.

I think asteroid mining could well happen within 20-40 years, in a multipolar world where countries like China will have achieved full techonological parity and competition for resources is further intensified.

[Syberpunk]

I've ran some simulations in Kerbal Space Program and they suggest the answer is: No.

[Sooth]

In the under ground mining industry many of the machines are remotely operated for safety reasons. The operator can be in a vehicle close but not at the blast face or on the surface in an aircon room.





The next step is a hybrid "guided autonomous" which will mean the skills required to operate the vehicle will be reduced but the vehicle will prevent the drivers doing damage.

Fully autonomous vehicles have been trialed under ground but the tech is not quite there yet. I give it 3-5 years.

Submarine machinery already exists but the limiting factor has always been diesel engines needing air or power cords for electric motors.



The advancement in battery technology due to the electric vehicle uptake will make submarine mining a viable option in the very near future.

It will be a lot safer than above ground mining for the simple reason that there won't be anyone down there.

[Foolsgo1d]

(02-23-2018 11:29 PM)Razor Beast Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:03 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 06:15 PM)Razor Beast Wrote:  

I'm more interested in hearing about economically viable solutions to mining untapped areas of Earth. There's a huge amount of Earth (deep sea and below ice) that has yet to be explored. That's the key - economically viable. Anyone can throw out random futuristic ideas with the intent to suck in vast amounts of unproductive capital. That's not useful because it rarely leads to any progress and does nothing to advance society technologically. Society won't be doing anything notable in space likely for hundreds to thousands of years. Using Earth-like combustion methods for space propulsion or any activity in space is not the answer and a laughable waste of time and money.

Not sure if serious.

Apparently context went right over your head. Which is why your bold tags aren't necessary. Read the thread title, then read the entire post again. Amazing that people have the nerve to suggest wild ideas like this when the entire globe is up to its eyeballs in debt. Do you think trees built on top of sand grow to the sky? One big wave and the whole thing topples over.

You sound like a woman whose pussy is hurt. Get over yourself.

Saying space exploration doesn't solve our problems here. How about you check your facts before spouting off utter shit like its fact?

No, we're not exploring space but the endeavour of space science and tect brings benefits, some of which you should do a bit of research on.

Its like these morons who say Formula 1 is worthless and why does it even exist then they figure out most of the advanced tech we now take for granted was developed because we were on the edge and it was needed.

Heres something radical for you to consider. You know all that debt? It will be there even with your future familiy members in the 23rd century because as long as there is a capitalist society we will have debt and a pyramid of wealth. The top will always lend to the bottom.

Those asteroids aren't going to mine themselves.

[wi30]

(02-24-2018 07:08 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

Here is an interesting article about deep sea mining. What you have to realize is that on the surface of the earth, and even under the surface, many of the easy to reach mineral deposits have been depleted. In gold mining for example, if you find a deposit that has 1 gram of gold per ton of rock (which has 900,000 grams) its considered a good deposit and might be economically viable depending on its size and access to infrastructure like power and transportation.

Some of these deep sea deposits are orders of magnitude richer, and the trick is getting them to the surface. Of course, deep sea mining will be orders of magnitude easier than space.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-...sea_mining

Good read.

I just finished reading The Universe Below by William Broad. He spends a chapter explaining the politicizing of deep sea mining by the UN back in the 70's and 80's with poor countries crying foul when US/Japan/Germany/et al. were all working on deep sea mining projects. He also talked about current possibilities, which were in the mid-to-late 90's when the book was published. Interesting subject.

I'm sure space mining will happen someday, but it won't be within our grandchildren's or great-grandchildren's lifetimes.



Edit: Missed Foolsgo1d post.

[IvanDrago]

(02-24-2018 08:46 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

You sound like a woman whose pussy is hurt. Get over yourself.

Saying space exploration doesn't solve our problems here. How about you check your facts before spouting off utter shit like its fact?

No, we're not exploring space but the endeavour of space science and tect brings benefits, some of which you should do a bit of research on.

Its like these morons who say Formula 1 is worthless and why does it even exist then they figure out most of the advanced tech we now take for granted was developed because we were on the edge and it was needed.

Heres something radical for you to consider. You know all that debt? It will be there even with your future familiy members in the 23rd century because as long as there is a capitalist society we will have debt and a pyramid of wealth. The top will always lend to the bottom.

Those asteroids aren't going to mine themselves.

I got a Juicero and a load of bitconnect for sale. Interested?

j/k. cool out bro

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Nope - won't happen with our current leadership.

The globalists even if they have the technology to mine asteroids, won't be doing jack shit. They would rather kill 6.5 billion of you before showing you a way off the prison-planet.

That's kind of their shtick and they have not changed their plans ever since their ancestors came up with their grand shitty plan riddled by syphilis-induced paranoia.

[roberto]

(02-24-2018 07:35 PM)Sooth Wrote:  

In the under ground mining industry many of the machines are remotely operated for safety reasons. The operator can be in a vehicle close but not at the blast face or on the surface in an aircon room.





The next step is a hybrid "guided autonomous" which will mean the skills required to operate the vehicle will be reduced but the vehicle will prevent the drivers doing damage.

Fully autonomous vehicles have been trialed under ground but the tech is not quite there yet. I give it 3-5 years.

Submarine machinery already exists but the limiting factor has always been diesel engines needing air or power cords for electric motors.



The advancement in battery technology due to the electric vehicle uptake will make submarine mining a viable option in the very near future.

It will be a lot safer than above ground mining for the simple reason that there won't be anyone down there.

Interesting post, but I beg to differ upon the bolded. Mining takes huge amounts of energy, however you do it. Way more than any electric lorry, let alone car. Constant, full power too. You're going to need either a suction line or a conveyor of sorts to a mothership above to deliver the mined material, and possibly return the tailings after processing upon the mothership. Therefore battery would never even be considered for this application when you could just run a large hydraulic or electric supply from the mothership.

[Thomas Jackson]

Isn't this one of the main goals of the Bezos owned Blue Origin? Tons of rare earth minerals on asteroids.

[cascadecombo]

(02-23-2018 06:15 PM)Razor Beast Wrote:  

I'm more interested in hearing about economically viable solutions to mining untapped areas of Earth. There's a huge amount of Earth (deep sea and below ice) that has yet to be explored. That's the key - economically viable. Anyone can throw out random futuristic ideas with the intent to suck in vast amounts of unproductive capital. That's not useful because it rarely leads to any progress and does nothing to advance society technologically. Society won't be doing anything notable in space likely for hundreds to thousands of years. Using Earth-like combustion methods for space propulsion or any activity in space is not the answer and a laughable waste of time and money.

If people like you are in charge, then yes I would agree.

Crazy how you think discussing something is a waste of time, go to another thread. Discussions are tools to share ideas, and an idea that gets into the right head leads to progress.