[mikado]

It am not necessarily thrilled about this, but Leonard has a point: at least in Western World you can most often stay alive even if you criticize religious beliefs.

In Senegal, not only speaking against Islam is pretty much a cause of at least heavy beating, but even speaking ill of a confrery (Typical example: muridism, a sufi confrery) will get you beaten too, even if you are also a muslim. At the very least, they will insult you.

It can see why during my whole life I was never even interested in getting into that Sufism.

[Graft]

(02-04-2018 11:07 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 10:00 PM)Graft Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 09:51 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Mate, you are the textbook example of a self-hating white liberal, no matter what brand of politics you claim to support.

"My culture is shit, so we need more Indians".



File under: "Shit I never thought I'd see on the RVF"

Move to a conservative state, immerse yourself in real actual American culture, grow some balls and take your nation back. You have centuries of culture running through your veins that didn't involve cucking yourself to foreign men.

I'm not loyal to my host white culture. It is highly individualistic, so why should I be?

If I can get a better deal with an Indian woman in the dating/marriage market, I'll do it. If I can make money/connections with successful Indian people, I'll do that as well.

White culture had it's dominant days, and is probably the most successful culture of all time, but it's in decline, surely. i'm not shouldering the responsibility of saving it, besides contributing to what I could to the Trump campaign.

You don't have the slightest clue about white culture, and I don't blame you for that. We're now two generations + deep into hardcore cultural marxist programming.

It's one thing to marry a woman of foreign origin and bring her into your own culture because the local women are mostly shit. It's another thing to cuck yourself to your wife's culture because you can't be bothered learning about your own. That's solid "balls in a jar somewhere" bullshit.

It's commonly accepted that women are conditioned to surrender to foreign invaders because it's the only survival mechanism they can comprehend. You'll forgive me then for saying that your strategy is the height of feminine surrender.

What the fuck are you going to teach your sons, exactly? How to ride an elephant?

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White culture had it's dominant days...

TFW you'd rather be a foreign cuck in an ascendant nation than a patriarch in the nation your ancestors built.

Feminine surrender? You white separatists are the SJWs of the right. Instead of addressing internal cultural decay, you point the finger at a nonviolent and successful minority and scream "demographic replacement!!"

Indians wouldn't even be a factor if white's could handle their women, educate themselves with relevant degrees, and build supportive families.

Sure, I believe that certain races/religions are "invading" because of their violent nature. I believe that certain (((cultures))) have subverted our institutions in order to brainwash the weak.

None of this applies to Indians, who contribute far less toward white decline then whites themselves.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-04-2018 12:21 AM)mikado Wrote:  

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However the thing is that fondamentally you cannot discriminate based on race. For example, people from Antilles: they were french before even some regions or cities like Savoie, Nice, Corsica...
You have also the people that came in the 60-70s for construction work. They worked their ass off for this country, so that their kids would be french. You want to deny them citizenship?

...

As a matter of fact you have to discriminate on the basis of race. It's fine to accept highly alien people up to a degree, but if you overdo it and accept 200 mio. Europeans for example to Japan, then you are not having Japan.

And Africans and Muslims have to be kept at a minimum in Europe. Keep Muslims at zero % and a few million deserving blacks who are extremely highly selected are enough.

The same would go for Indians or Chinese. Even if those groups assimilate better - if you import 500 mio. into Europe, then you get India or China, but Europe will be gone.

The current cultural marxists can be gone just as communism has disappeared, but if you are left with a Europe that is minority-White, then you won't have Europe - you just have some shithole, but you will find that soon enough.

And that is why even guys like Mikado will be for open borders and for every union of Antifa with Islam, because that gives them more folk who look like him - more power to him, less power to the actual White Europeans who created this and who need to be exterminated because some cultural Marxists have taken over for the last 15 years.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(02-05-2018 11:13 AM)Graft Wrote:  

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Feminine surrender? You white separatists are the SJWs of the right. Instead of addressing internal cultural decay, you point the finger at a nonviolent and successful minority and scream "demographic replacement!!"

Indians wouldn't even be a factor if white's could handle their women, educate themselves with relevant degrees, and build supportive families.

Sure, I believe that certain races/religions are "invading" because of their violent nature. I believe that certain (((cultures))) have subverted our institutions in order to brainwash the weak.

None of this applies to Indians, who contribute far less toward white decline then whites themselves.

I'm not a white separatist. I just recognise that it's fundamentally unavoidable.

But don't worry. Whites are cottoning on to exactly what you're saying. That they need to fix their own shit. And they're doing that in part by saying no to demographic replacement by third worlders.

It may have escaped your notice but white people didn't fall out of the sky 20 years ago. They've demonstrated an ability to "handle their women, educate themselves with relevant degrees, and build supportive families" for centuries.

So whether Indians are directly involved in the degradation of white-built nations is irrelevant. There's no obligation to admit them any more than India is obligated to admit whites. So, yes, whites are coming around by the hundred each day to the realisation that we are going to "fix" the problem of demographic replacement.

Not that it matters to you, Tonto.

[infowarrior1]

(02-06-2018 07:23 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 11:13 AM)Graft Wrote:  

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Feminine surrender? You white separatists are the SJWs of the right. Instead of addressing internal cultural decay, you point the finger at a nonviolent and successful minority and scream "demographic replacement!!"

Indians wouldn't even be a factor if white's could handle their women, educate themselves with relevant degrees, and build supportive families.

Sure, I believe that certain races/religions are "invading" because of their violent nature. I believe that certain (((cultures))) have subverted our institutions in order to brainwash the weak.

None of this applies to Indians, who contribute far less toward white decline then whites themselves.

I'm not a white separatist. I just recognise that it's fundamentally unavoidable.

But don't worry. Whites are cottoning on to exactly what you're saying. That they need to fix their own shit. And they're doing that in part by saying no to demographic replacement by third worlders.

It may have escaped your notice but white people didn't fall out of the sky 20 years ago. They've demonstrated an ability to "handle their women, educate themselves with relevant degrees, and build supportive families" for centuries.

So whether Indians are directly involved in the degradation of white-built nations is irrelevant. There's no obligation to admit them any more than India is obligated to admit whites. So, yes, whites are coming around by the hundred each day to the realisation that we are going to "fix" the problem of demographic replacement.

Not that it matters to you, Tonto.

Whites do need to build up immunity to the poison being propagated from our educational systems. As well find out its antidote.

Unless that happens there can be no true civilizational resurgence.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Political movements and their indoctrinations can change:



Chinese can de-Maoize.

Feminism and SJW paranoia can be cured:


White girls can de-feminazi-ize.

But when France looks like this, then there is no comeback:



But when the native French are a minority among blacks and Muslims, then what do you do?

Even if the natives ditch their cultural marxism and feminism, it's game over - you would have to fight your way out of the malaise - if there is anything to fight for at all.

The pictures above also clearly show you that this civic nationalism bullshit is just too faulty at the current stage without a strong dominating ruling race and ideology at the center of a system.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Even if the ethnic French were to suddenly regain their balls and retake their nation it would be an impossible task to displace the invaders peacefully.

Consider the following:

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According to the census of June 16, 1933, the Jewish population of Germany, including the Saar region (which at that time was still under the administration of the League of Nations), was approximately 505,000 people out of a total population of 67 million, or somewhat less than 0.75percent.

We all remember how that went.

It's apparently illegal to collect statistics on racial demographics in France, but we can assume that there are now millions of Arabs and Africans there who hold French citizenship but have no allegiance to the spirit of the nation whatsoever. If I recall correctly Marseilles is just about 50% muslim now. We are looking quite unbelievably at a second invasion of the Moors with not a spear or a scimitar to be seen, but we can be certain that the ethnic natives of Europe will never retake that ground without levels of bloodshed quite similar to the Crusades.

Still, the traitors among us have to go before we can even think about repelling the invaders. We needn't bother delving into ridiculous moral concerns about birthright citizenship. If our ancestors thought like that then Arabia would have invaded under the banner of the Moors who could then have simply tossed their weapons when defeat loomed and "stayed on as citizens of Christendom" to retain their gains. Europeans tossed them all back across the Med back then. It would be difficult, but it needs to happen again.

[YossariansRight]

(02-03-2018 04:42 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

The Italian suspect reportedly was the boyfriend of the young Italian woman who was tortured and dismembered by an African migrant... this African migrant, called Innocent (!) had... eaten the heart and intestines of the young native Italian girl, while performing voodoo. Certainly the Italian grieving boyfriend should have reacted with love, comprehension and inclusion, singing "you will not have my hate" along with MSM...

http://www.iltempo.it/cronache/2018/02/0...o-1048109/

Gotta love multiculturalism...

“BROCKTON — Latarsha Sanders allegedly stabbed her 8-year-old son some 50 times with a kitchen knife as part of a “ritual incident” and then attacked her 5-year-old son after she concluded that the first child’s death had failed to complete the ritual, a prosecutor said Tuesday.”

“During a series of interviews with police following the discovery of the bodies of the two boys Monday, the 43-year-old Sanders gave varied explanations for the deaths that ranged from a claim that she was motivated by “voodoo stuff” to the claim that her 16-year-old daughter “wanted a little blood.””

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/0...story.html

[Volk]

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It's apparently illegal to collect statistics on racial demographics in France, but we can assume that there are now millions of Arabs and Africans there who hold French citizenship but have no allegiance to the spirit of the nation whatsoever.

Well, the fact that nature does not care about dumb laws is a pity for them, because they can't outlaw Sickle Cell Anemia Neonatal screening rates per region.

The state that Marseilles belongs to stands at 42%, so almost half of the newborns in that region has African origin, but since this also counts the countryside, Marseilles is probably closer to 80%.

The region where Paris is located though? That shithole is already at 55%.

Fratricidé, Illégalité, Le Génocide!

[8ball]

(02-06-2018 09:24 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

But when the native French are a minority among blacks and Muslims, then what do you do?

Shit hitting the fan doesn't mean the unemployment rate ticking up 5-10%, it means all hell breaks loose. You would be surprised what can happen in times of depression, starvation, war. Peaceful neighbors that may have lived side by side for generations are slaughtering each-other in a matter of weeks. See Yugoslavia, Syria etc. There are countless examples.
The winning sides tend to be the more organized and the more socially cohesive. This tends to not include people that live in shitty Paris/Marseilles ghettos.
The US will ultimately begin its retreat and will probably accelerate it as the petro dollar finds a competitor. Other forces are will move in and have no quarrel about supporting groups/political parties that support "mass movements of people for their own protection."

[nomadbrah]

Let's hope there isn't a new great hero Churchill and (((Morgenthau))) to slaughter millions of Europeans this time.

[Orson]

(02-04-2018 07:50 PM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 05:50 PM)Graft Wrote:  

(02-03-2018 11:43 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Going into the future when ethnic boundaries are inevitably reinstated by blood and steel I think smart nations are going to take a damn hard look at how citizenship is dictated.

It's currently considered a dirty idea to deny citizenship to someone who intends to live in your country, and particularly to deny citizenship to their kids who are born in your country, but that's the way it really has to be.

There is no fundamental ethical difference between giving one Indian immigrant citizenship and giving 1 million Indian immigrants citizenship. Assimilation is a joke. Nobody can measure how readily a group is absorbed or even qualify what "absorbed" means in a technical sense and so no numerical boundaries can be accurately set. What inevitably happens is that you only recognise "too much too soon" when it's already in the rear view mirror.

When most nations are back to being ethnically oriented I think the idea of foreigners becoming citizens will rightly be a thing of the past. Not even international marriage will confer citizenship, and the foreigner of such unions will have no fundamental legal rights to custody of any children if the marriage dissolves. In general, living in a place where you were not born will be a lot more difficult, as it should be.

It's easy to deal with an unruly guest. You just kick them out. But once they have citizenship then your options diminish in the extreme.

Indian people are successful, intelligent, and patriarchal. They are typically Hindu or Sihk which are both peaceful and prosperous religions. Their crime rate is very low as well.

They have a pretty high percentage of women who aren't whores as well, but they mostly stick with other Indian/Pakistanis.

They are also 75/25 leftists. Also completely ethnocentric and look at America more as a piggybank than something to be loyal to. Military service rates are very low. Try living around a bunch of first gen Indians - they are extremely rude and keep their odd customs intact instead of assimilating.

I think the complaint is this: despite having certain desirable habits, they too readily embrace collectivism and socialism, ie, support the Democrat (communist) party.

They are too much like Mexicans. They lack individualism like Korean (often Christian) immigrants do; and they immigrate as complete and extended families (Family, then Tribe first!), and thus don't really assimilate to American social and political values.

In addition, some Indians are dark skinned and get classed as "Blacks," and therefore come to embrace the negative socio-political and even some cultural values of Black descendants of slaves.

[Leonard D Neubache]

This is how deep the indoctrination runs. Having to justify turning 3rd worlders back.

Imagine this. Let's say for examples sake India is doing OK for a century or so but then falls prey to some sort of bizarre social malady that causes them to seemingly act against their own best interests. In the process they throw their borders open to anyone that wants to arrive.

Now, imagine being the kind of person that would do the following.

1) Migrate to India and pretend to want to assimilate.
2) Never follow through because "Indians are degenerate".
3) Demand citizenship.
4) Demand chain migration.
5) Complain about racism even though you make more money than the native Indians.
6) Start businesses and engage in nepotist hiring practices to exclude native Indians.
7) Vote consistently for whichever party undermines the interests of the native Indians.
and finally...
8) When the Indians get upset, you tell them "fuck you, sort your own shit out, losers".

So putting the shoe on the other foot, does it make any sense whatsoever that these vultures (not just Indians but all economic migrants) flocking to the West are in reality "good, decent, conservative people"?

No "good, decent, conservative" person I've ever known would undertake a single step of the above, much less all of them.

[Mekorig]

(02-06-2018 05:23 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Let's hope there isn't a new great hero Churchill and (((Morgenthau))) to slaughter millions of Europeans this time.

There is always a (((Morgenthau))) in the US goverment.

[Transsimian]

(02-07-2018 10:24 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

This is how deep the indoctrination runs. Having to justify turning 3rd worlders back.

Imagine this. Let's say for examples sake India is doing OK for a century or so but then falls prey to some sort of bizarre social malady that causes them to seemingly act against their own best interests. In the process they throw their borders open to anyone that wants to arrive.

Now, imagine being the kind of person that would do the following.

1) Migrate to India and pretend to want to assimilate.
2) Never follow through because "Indians are degenerate".
3) Demand citizenship.
4) Demand chain migration.
5) Complain about racism even though you make more money than the native Indians.
6) Start businesses and engage in nepotist hiring practices to exclude native Indians.
7) Vote consistently for whichever party undermines the interests of the native Indians.
and finally...
8) When the Indians get upset, you tell them "fuck you, sort your own shit out, losers".

So putting the shoe on the other foot, does it make any sense whatsoever that these vultures (not just Indians but all economic migrants) flocking to the West are in reality "good, decent, conservative people"?

No "good, decent, conservative" person I've ever known would undertake a single step of the above, much less all of them.

Great post

[Parzival]

(02-07-2018 10:24 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

This is how deep the indoctrination runs. Having to justify turning 3rd worlders back.

Imagine this. Let's say for examples sake India is doing OK for a century or so but then falls prey to some sort of bizarre social malady that causes them to seemingly act against their own best interests. In the process they throw their borders open to anyone that wants to arrive.

Now, imagine being the kind of person that would do the following.

1) Migrate to India and pretend to want to assimilate.
2) Never follow through because "Indians are degenerate".
3) Demand citizenship.
4) Demand chain migration.
5) Complain about racism even though you make more money than the native Indians.
6) Start businesses and engage in nepotist hiring practices to exclude native Indians.
7) Vote consistently for whichever party undermines the interests of the native Indians.
and finally...
8) When the Indians get upset, you tell them "fuck you, sort your own shit out, losers".

So putting the shoe on the other foot, does it make any sense whatsoever that these vultures (not just Indians but all economic migrants) flocking to the West are in reality "good, decent, conservative people"?

No "good, decent, conservative" person I've ever known would undertake a single step of the above, much less all of them.

There was a time where millions of young German men went to other countries all over the world. They forced their way of life and culture on the others, they excluded the locals, they took advantage of the assets, and a few things more. This time was called the second world war.

Most of those so called immigrants never spin it the other way around. Imagine Europeans send a bunch of Hooligans to their countries, the Hooligans get even financed by European governments or when the Hooligans face deportation they give fake ID or their original countries deny to take them back.

[beta_plus]

(02-06-2018 03:07 PM)8ball Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 09:24 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

But when the native French are a minority among blacks and Muslims, then what do you do?

Shit hitting the fan doesn't mean the unemployment rate ticking up 5-10%, it means all hell breaks loose. You would be surprised what can happen in times of depression, starvation, war. Peaceful neighbors that may have lived side by side for generations are slaughtering each-other in a matter of weeks. See Yugoslavia, Syria etc. There are countless examples.
The winning sides tend to be the more organized and the more socially cohesive. This tends to not include people that live in shitty Paris/Marseilles ghettos.
The US will ultimately begin its retreat and will probably accelerate it as the petro dollar finds a competitor. Other forces are will move in and have no quarrel about supporting groups/political parties that support "mass movements of people for their own protection."

Yugoslavia is an especially scary case. They were just having tough economic times and they turned on each other. People weren't starving in the streets. They were the same race, spoke the same language (except Slovenia), and shared at least some common culture. To an outsider, the only difference between them is that some bow to allah, some kneel to Jesus, and some do Orthodox stuff that I admit that I still don't really understand. They ended up performing unspeakable acts of violence and death on each other.

If that's all it took for them, imagine what it would be like for the USA.

[Thomas Jackson]

(02-08-2018 09:31 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 03:07 PM)8ball Wrote:  

(02-06-2018 09:24 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

But when the native French are a minority among blacks and Muslims, then what do you do?

Shit hitting the fan doesn't mean the unemployment rate ticking up 5-10%, it means all hell breaks loose. You would be surprised what can happen in times of depression, starvation, war. Peaceful neighbors that may have lived side by side for generations are slaughtering each-other in a matter of weeks. See Yugoslavia, Syria etc. There are countless examples.
The winning sides tend to be the more organized and the more socially cohesive. This tends to not include people that live in shitty Paris/Marseilles ghettos.
The US will ultimately begin its retreat and will probably accelerate it as the petro dollar finds a competitor. Other forces are will move in and have no quarrel about supporting groups/political parties that support "mass movements of people for their own protection."

Yugoslavia is an especially scary case. They were just having tough economic times and they turned on each other. People weren't starving in the streets. They were the same race, spoke the same language (except Slovenia), and shared at least some common culture. To an outsider, the only difference between them is that some bow to allah, some kneel to Jesus, and some do Orthodox stuff that I admit that I still don't really understand. They ended up performing unspeakable acts of violence and death on each other.

If that's all it took for them, imagine what it would be like for the USA.

Exactly genetically speaking Bosniaks, Croats, and Serbs are far more similar than groups in the US.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Cenk Uygur has gone on the offensive picking especially this case as proof of "Italian terrorism" or the nebulous "anything but Muslim terror or crime is right-wing terrorism".

This is not even terror, because after the dismemberment of a pretty young Italian girl some guy's fuses blew. If you did that in Saudi Arabia, then hundreds would have gotten killed by lynch mobs.

But of course Cenk is a shithead who wants to paint anyone as equally prone to violence and terror as Muslims.

It reminds me of that other moron who wrote the book ZEALOT where he claimed that the Romans had to kill Jesus before he became a killing-machine.

It's really funny when supposed secular Ex-Muslims like Cenk defend Islam to the bone while it is the most evil, most retarded and most violent religion in human history.

------------

He even misses the entire point of the story because that Nigerian criminal may not even be Muslim, but he uses it to attack anyone who is not far-left while lumping anyone together and thus also claiming that accepting 500 mio. Muslims into the West will be swell, because if you had 500 mio. Italians, then everything might get tricky too.

[El Chinito loco]

(02-15-2018 03:01 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

It's really funny when supposed secular Ex-Muslims like Cenk defend Islam to the bone while it is the most evil, most retarded and most violent religion in human history.

Sweaty kebab Cenk has always talked out of the side of his mouth when it comes to these things. He's a typical Turk who is highly critical of other ethnicities but possesses zero introspection when it comes to his own degenerate tribe.

When called out on it he'll just retract into his defensive shell with non acknowledgement or debate flak to change the subject.

It's not just Turks but culturally speaking middle easterners in general who suffer from this malady. They all share the same cultural similarities.

This is why they act like arrogant inbred twats while producing zero productive content when it comes to modern civilization. Just look at how they strut around with their shitty luxury items when they have money but yet accomplish so little. Throwing up glass and steel monuments to their vanity or subverting the west with terrorism are the heights of their achievement as a culture.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I personally would defend more the Turkish people who would not be so bad as Christians, Buddhists, Taoists or whatever - but he chooses to defend Islam as the highest moral ground.

[El Chinito loco]

(02-15-2018 03:29 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

I personally would defend more the Turkish people who would not be so bad as Christians, Buddhists, Taoists or whatever - but he chooses to defend Islam as the highest moral ground.

There will always be exceptions but in general they are pretty degenerate. Just look at how they run their society and try to play both sides to try and advance the concept of the turkic empire.

Yeah..that's a real thing they believe will happen eventually spanning east to west.