[thegmanifesto]

Dash-

"I have yet to see an american girl getting fucked in a hostel dorm"

Are you joking?

"European girls seem to put out much more than american chicks imo"

Which countries have you been to in Europe?

[Dash Global]

(09-21-2011 08:03 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Dash-

"I have yet to see an american girl getting fucked in a hostel dorm"

Are you joking?

Nope not joking. Stayed in an ass ton of hostels over the years and never seen an american female getting it in. Saw quite a few European and Australians though.

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"European girls seem to put out much more than american chicks imo"

Which countries have you been to in Europe?

Is Europe the only place to meet girls from Europe?

[thegmanifesto]

Dash-

Got you.

America female tourists in Europe are different from America female tourists in Latin America.

America female tourists in Mexico might be the easiest around.

Not even a hostel is necessary.

Bang them in the bar or on the street. Or the beach.

(Watch out for The Federales though!)

"Is Europe the only place to meet girls from Europe?"

No.

But it would be a key component in formulating a complete opinion.

[Dash Global]

Come to think of it

most of the chicks I know that backpack LA are more cultured, and outdoorsey types.

most of the chicks i know that backpack europe are more of partiers / slutty.

So your comment makes some sense.

[thegmanifesto]

double post

[thegmanifesto]

(09-21-2011 08:50 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

Come to think of it

most of the chicks I know that backpack LA are more cultured, and outdoorsey types.

most of the chicks i know that backpack europe are more of partiers / slutty.

So your comment makes some sense.

Yes.

[Dash Global]

Its a shame I was a complete noob when I went to Cancun.

So much easy pussy left on the table......

[Excelsior]

(09-20-2011 08:21 PM)Ohiogang Wrote:  

Athlone what if your brown but you kind of look like this guy

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Mrad+Moua...5&hovw=183

I understand these girls would be snobbish, somewhat racist, and self-absorbed, but who is generally most successful with these types of women? (The hot ivy league ones), assuming you are not white.

I'm black with a dark skin tone, for the record.

A guy who looks like the one in your photo will do fine. I know guys like that at my school (dudes with some iranian ancestry plus a few latinos) who do pretty well.

(09-21-2011 02:51 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Oh, I agree-- they're hard to get-- it's like they're from a different planet--everyone they know has beach houses, elite jobs in elite institutions, it's a world you just don't hear about because you never were, and never will be invited. The screening starts, literally, in nursery schools. It' s not just "do YOU go to Harvard?", it's "Where did your Parents go to school?"

. I just think they looked good. No chance of working class me/ anyone not preppy getting them. You're spot on there. Different gene pool with no desire to mix.

This guy knows the deal.

(09-21-2011 11:41 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

I lived the life. I don't see it your way.

Why wouldn't you see it my way...?

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I'm white and upper middle class, but not a WASP.

...that's why.

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The girls definitely do respond to game, they aren't some superior form of being.

It isn't about superiority, it is about acculturation.

These are girls who are bred a certain way in a certain class. They aren't going to fuck around outside of it. Iknowexactly's characterization of them is absolutely spot-on from what I've seen. Even if they like you, you will need to move mountains to get near them(or they'd have to be out-of-their-mind wasted) if you're not bred in a similar manner.

It is not about their screening for money and asking questions-this class of people never does that, they're far too discrete. It is about being bred in their culture and assimilating. They do not need to ask if you're bred well-they can see it on you. It will show naturally if you are, and if you aren't then you WILL NOT be able to fake it. There are a million little tells that they'll spot before you even realize you're doing yourself in.

I should know-as a freshman, I showed them all without having a clue what I was doing. Things I got away with at home (among an entirely different class of people) and tought were entirely harmless got me quizzical (one could argue that a few were angry) stares here. It is a different world.

If you are white and upper-middle class, then you're already closer to this club, and they might respond to you a little better. You've been bred in a culture somewhat similar to their own (you do not need to be a WASP for this, btw). East Asian/Indian/Hispanic and upper-middle class or above does ok too.

If you are not upper middle-class (they will know) and/or intimately familiar with/bred in this culture, you're facing an uphill battle to deal with these type of girls, even if you are white.

God help you if you're broke(read: middle class or lower) and black/hispanic. Your game better be masterful and I hope you're all-conference in a money sport(football, basketball, maybe baseball). Lighter skin helps a little too.

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If you're emotionally bothered by people richer than you, sure you may have trouble. But I honestly didn't find people that judgmental about it. If you're in the social circle, it's not really going to matter much.

You're not getting into the social circle without without fitting in completely socio-economically.

These people are very, VERY good at spotting those who do not come from where they do. They can see it in your carriage, your clothing, your family occupation, etc. They read me like a book when I got here, and I foolishly helped them along because I, like you, didn't think money/class/culture mattered. I figured that, as students at my school, we were all inherently kin in a sense.

I couldn't have been more wrong.

This is about breeding. You cannot fake being "well-bred". You were either raised in that society (literally 90% of the kids at my school were) and/or are very close to that culture in some other way (example: maybe you're just middle class and white, but you're great at lacrosse and got recruited to play here-that'll bridge you with some wealthier bros) or you aren't. That, or you are just socially masterful enough to overcome your lack of assimilation (read: airtight game, elite social skills, extroversion, etc).

They do not need to ask you and they certainly will not do it openly. It will happen all on its own, and WELL before you notice.

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I used to monitor a campus gossip site, and money rarely came up.

They're not that open about it.

Excommunication is FAR more subtle than this. It is usually very polite. They will not have an open discussion about money and/or your lack of it. You simply aren't going to fit into their culture seamlessly (because you haven't been bred in it), and you'll slowly feel less than welcome/integrated. You'll feel alone even in their company.

The girl situation will deteriorate similarly. They won't fuck with a clear outsider who, by definition, has low status. They'll start shying away from you, and you won't know why. It'll seem kind of odd at first, like they're willing to be polite but for some reason are still inherently wary of you. By the time you get it, the process will have long been done.

You, being white and upper middle class by your own admission, already met the baseline for integration. You, naturally, would not feel any of this.

One more thing: I don't know what school you went to, but girls engrossed in the culture I'm talking about usually attend the following institutions:

Ivies
NESCAC

Those places are where the culture I'm talking about is most concentrated, and it is also where I am. If you didn't go to one of these, you and I have very different experiences.

You'll also find plenty at these places (especially the ones in the Northeast).

And, of course, there are less significant populations out at many other schools (USC, Maryland, Ole Miss, etc), though they do not dominate here like they do at a Trinity, Hamilton or Princeton.

The concentration/nature of this culture at a school like Princeton, Cornell, Middlebury, Dartmouth or Penn is very different from what you're going to see at a USC or Maryland.
We could both be coming from two very different environments.

[iknowexactly]

(09-21-2011 09:31 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

It is not about their screening for money and asking questions-this class of people never does that, they're far too discrete. It is about being bred in their culture and assimilating. They do not need to ask if you're bred well-they can see it on you.

Although you are right about the exclusionary nature of the American ( and probably other countrys') upper class, ultimately one has to figure out what to do .

Me personally, i am screamingly working class/lower middle class, but ironically grew up in a wealthy town. I sensed what you were talking about in terms of exclusion, and have long since figured out what adaptations are worth it and which aren't, because as you say, you'll never be in that USA society anyway, so why toss and turn about it?

What I did was go looking for women in Russia, where the equivalent of the upper middle class is available to an accomplished working class guy.

One girl who wanted to marry me -- both her parents were professors in a medical school, her grandfather was an officer in the last Czar's army.

Although these people made less money than a 2nd level manager in McDonalds, in terms of intellectual ability and quality of character, they were essentially upper middle class.

So fuck the American preps. They suck at guitar, too. Too tame.

Also, "discrete" means functioning separately, like "discrete factors affecting surgical outcomes."

"Discreet" means socially sensitive regarding privacy and being diplomatically non-candid.

For a look inside the American upper class in a fascinating movie about the CIA and how they recruit[ed] from Skull and Bones club at Yale, etc, consider seeing Matt Damon in THE GOOD SHEPHERD. Damon is a Harvard man. The scene where he interviews the Italian Mob boss looking for intel is priceless.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0343737/

[Moma]

(09-20-2011 03:15 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(09-19-2011 05:09 AM)sheesh Wrote:  

(09-19-2011 03:24 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(09-19-2011 01:10 AM)Geronimo Wrote:  

Well the point I was trying to make that was WE women (excluding spain/portugal) are no different when it comes to behavior to American girls. The only difference might be that Am girls may be more fatter because in Europe they are all active due to public transport options etc.

For me the ROI was much lower in WE women compared to American girls. I talked to enough of them in London to not travel to Greece, Spain, France, ect. Some were just downright arrogant. Like mycleverid stated, listening to how fucked up America is and how to fix it gets old. Especially from a 20 y.o.

Seems to be a typical Western (continental) European problem. People go out and end up talking about pseudointellectual shit the whole evening because they can't relax and just have fun for an evening.

I guess not knowing how to "small talk" and flirt makes a lot of people tense and nervous.
Happens a lot in Germany.

Do any of you Euro pro's know how to counter this? Feel free to start another thread. This became a big sticking point when I was in Europe.

This is not through extended experience but I find that I am able to connect quite well with Europeans. I'm always able to make them laugh because I understand the different worlds.

I find North Americans, especially Americans (no offense, guys, I defend you lot in arguments) can be rather self centered in conversation.
I got a big ranch, we cleared 1.2 million last year, we own big cars, we just bought this, I did that..blah blah..Europeans are more reserved and don't like all that self aggrandizing whoop whoop stuff.

If you mock yourself slightly and spend most of the conversation slightly poking at yourself, I think you build respect in the Europeans eyes. This goes for females too. All that alpha, beta shyt goes out the window in Europe because feminism has not seized as viciously as it has in North America (IMO).
America is so much about rights, that lizards will just harp on about their female rights and end up denying you the puzzy because you are a womanizer etc.

In fact, it's only since I came to North America did I hear such baffling words. Womanizer, male chauvnistic pig etc.
These terms weren't used in Europe because roles weren't so overly exaggerated there.

So I think if you play it beta (play the game of mocking yourself and building yourself up), it may work well in terms of chats with a European.

European guys are welcome to chime in with corrections or totally negate my experience if they think I am totally wrong.

[Moma]

@Athlone - yea, your uni life sounds tough and rather elitist. Just soldier it out, get your degree and keep your physique. Hustle up some money during the year and spend your summer breaks travelling, it will help to alleviate the bitterness. Due to your intellect (it seems to be high) you will over analyse scenarios that you can do NOTHING about.

There are parts of America where you will get your dyck so wet, you will hardly believe you are in the same country. But sometimes, being stuck in some area can jade your views.

So, bear in mind that these 90 percentile do not dominate you. You are superior intellectually and most importantly physically.
A billionaire can get lizards but she still needs a powerful rodgering to make her come.
Remember that in the three years you have left of study.
*Salutes Athlone*