Quote: (01-24-2018 08:50 AM)ShuaiGe Wrote:
Flawed answer, we don't know what we don't know.
Trust your woman or don't, Hank's post is a great place to start guessing from, but that is in fact what you'd be doing, guessing.
If you're in doubt, think it over, personally I think you should trust your gut feeling, your feeling of instinct.
Is every girl who has fucked a lot of guys going to cheat on her boyfriend? Is every low notch count chick always going to be good while he's away? Of course not.
My point is this: Taking the red pill doesn't mean drinking the kool-aid that your girl is definitely fucking other people behind your back just because she's a woman and many women do, it just means she very well could be, but maybe she's not. Use your best judgement and don't become jaded, there are some girls who actually don't cheat.
This deserves a rep. Not because it is some genius level talk, but because it is basic logic/common sense.
Everyone that knows anything about girls beyond simple basics knows some of the "good girl" type chicks are the biggest sluts, and at the same time some of the "good girl" type chicks are actually truly faithful and the epitome of loyalty (not out of lack of options only).
Same thing with "slutty" looking or behaving girls. They can remain slutty or they can totally change their ways. Anyone who knows the whole stripper boyfriend type dynamic knows that because they are oversexed and surrounded by men they are looking for that one guy that can both turn them on and hit them on a mental level. They get past the I want this and that and the other experience that a lot of the more conservative (relatively speaking) girls that only sleep with 5-15 guys in their entire lives types sometimes never do.
The whole you can't turn a hoe in to a housewife thing has at least some element of truth to it, and I'd venture to say a heavy element of truth (not talking about a hoe in the sense of an actual prostitute necessarily, as I think the saying as well). But there are many hoes, p4p or just slutty, that actually do get over it and settle down (although maybe a small percentage but still total numbers worldwide do add up).
A recent pope was at the least affiliated with the Nazis. He became pope and despite my not being a part of his religion and thinking he said some imprudent things I nonetheless believe that at the time he was pope he had definitely reformed and was truly a good hearted man despite my disagreement with some of his world view.
Most people don't change and become more entrenched in their world view and try to find examples and people in their lives that will justify their world view. Some people do legitimately change, whether for better or worse.
There are men and women walking around that change their lives entirely. Like Malcolm X who started as a broken home criminal type, who went into black activism and working for his people, and then transitioned into understanding the common nature of humanity as exemplified in his I prayed next to a blonde haired blue eyed Muslim on the Hajj experience. Those are three substantial, although somewhat related, changes in one person in a relatively short lifespan.
I'm not saying the men and women walking around that do substantially change themselves do so on a level of greatness like that guy, X, but there are tons of people that change themselves substantially, whether for for good or worse.
How many guys can you think of, even on this forum, that started out barely able to talk to or understand girls and years or maybe a decade later have women wrapped around their fingers? I'd venture to say that a substantial portion of red pill or pua internet forum guys, even those that achieve levels of game that if they weren't modest about it and said it openly, make naturals and Iceberg Slim types look weak (not necessarily talking about taking it into the illict activities realm). These sites are the realm of the guy that starts off slow or metaphorically hits puberty late and jumps up to beast mode afterwards (obviously not 100%, some or maybe many are naturals and what not that want to expand their game). Isn't that Roosh's story to an extent, the founder of the site? He's not the only one.
It is the same thing the quoted poster said, you can't say either way how a girl will be with regards to cheating (or really anything) down the line. This, beyond it's inherent logic, is the epitome of the whole modern marriages are shit thing even for many true players. Shit starts off one way, not necessarily even with cheating or what not, and then the girl and guy and the relationship also change and things fall apart.
All that being said, as I said before in this thread, I agree with the whole (to fumble the translation and over simplify it) get your game/lifestyle up, find other quality women, don't give a shit about any girl and she will like you more, these are the tell tale signs of cheating posts. Totally agree with all that, despite what my post, which was an anomaly in my history with women, may seem like. 100% agree with the logic of those posts and the reality of them as well, IMHO.
But based on my post I probably seem to be along the lines of the Kevin Heart joke where he says he has a Muslim friend that won't even eat Starburst because it contains minute pork amounts in it and when he starts drowning on a boating trip yells Lord Jesus save me (yes I know Muslims believe in Jesus too, and I also get the nature of the joke).
Just wanted to support what the above poster said with my own seemingly irrelevant abstractions.
Had the same type argument with a person in my personal life recently that has this same logic. I'm from a lower income family and I went to an Ivy League school for a short time. The other person was saying how Jared Kushner probably did terrible in school "because he's some rich kid" and his daddy got him in and they just passed him through. The rest of the argument was he doesn't deserve his current position and only got it because his dad was a billionaire and he happened to marry Trump's favorite daughter.
I'm not a Republican, don't care for any of the Trumps (other than I respect them for their accomplishments and that girl of his is fine), and it is in my interest personally to say yeah rich kids only get into those schools because of their wealth.
My response was you can't say either way whether he did good or not and why he got in. You might be able to say he lucked into his current position, but I doubt that as well because there could have been other people chosen. I added, from personal experience that hurts me in terms of my specific situation, that when I was actually at an Ivy League (the other arguer didn't even get an associates) that it was in fact the rich kids and not the obviously financial aid but did well in school types like me that did best, at least in the beginning. Not all of them, but they generally rocked it at least early on for whatever reason (I assume in part because they were exposed to ideas that lower income kids generally aren't as youths and the rich kids were also genuinely smart as well).
So the logic, we don't know how it'll turn out or what the reality is stands. Hanks post makes a lot of sense and I agree though (to a large extent although I think it is a bit exaggerated). Yeah, we can make an educated guess on who is cheating and who isn't and we might be right most of the time or all the time. But there are no rules to this. Steelex's post is a big part of reality too. If they are cheating and not entirely retarded they will become experts at covering it up if they aren't already. A lot of times the ones that are experts at covering it up are the ones that are physically around and attentive to the guy they are cheating on most. If they aren't living with a guy or seeing him much they may still cover it up, but they have less reason to make apps and what not or change contact names on their phones because there isn't as much of a possibility of leaving their phone around a guy's house that they don't even go to much.
Quote: (01-24-2018 10:27 AM)fitness2569 Wrote:
"The power of any relationship lies with who cares the least, and nothing makes you care less than banging other girls".
The less you care who she is fucking because you are fucking other girls, the more she wants to be faithful to only you.
It is literally that simple
Agreed 100% despite my Captain Save A Hoe post and example. Always agreed with that statement even when I had severe approach anxiety and couldn't talk to a random girl let alone now where things are, well, different. My experience also backs that statement up besides just my general belief.
Not saying your posts were directed at me or at the general thread though.
Quote: (01-24-2018 10:33 AM)fitness2569 Wrote:
Alot of guys are what me and my close friends call "Tender Dick ". You claim you are a player and that you want to fuck alot of girls, but you get butthurt when you fall for a girl then realize she is a slut.
Now it's no problem to like a girl but don't hope or expect anything and you will be rewarded with loyalty from girls. [The less you care > >> The more she cares ]
Again, not sure if this was directed at me or not, but I agree 100% again.
In my case, whether I'm trying to be Mr. Internet Super Player or not and convince everyone that I've met through the forum (no one) that I am, this was actually an anomaly. I've both in theory and in practice only ever had girls treat me very well, because by the time I get the number and make it past a date or two and sleep with them they generally are interested to say the least. Not saying no one ever cheated, although in almost every case I doubt it for specific reasons, but I didn't care either way.
This specific scenario was painful because I broke my rules, not just rules I told myself to have but what I actually felt and that mirrors what you said 100%, and not only did I know I was being stupid while I was doing it, but this was the only breakup in my entire life where things almost took a horrible turn (laws gone get you type stuff). I even told the chick about 3 times something to the extent of, I know you aren't fighting to have me because I'm treating you well (meaning like I'm beta in forum parlance) and if I treated you like I do other girls you'd be all over me. I told her almost exactly that if I treated you like that and you did in fact really care for me you'd go through anything to make me happy as I've seen so many times with other girls. At the end of it I told her she was a fuckgirl, not out of anger in all honesty, just fuckgirl meaning like a female player douche that strings along guys to get her Instagram followers up. I don't mean literally, I don't have an instagram and she isn't all about IG. She also did treat me well by some people's standards overall. On my birthday got into an argument with her mom who she lived with to sneak out and pick up a custom cake with my name written in her language on it and balloons and shit to give to me. That day I even asked her to do it the next day because I was going to get head and food from my first Ukrainian flag girl in her apartment as a happy birthday, but I showed up anyways while knowing I was being beta. The most expensive thing I got her in the first 3 months, which is when basically all the good things aside from the staring at guys happened, was a $15 dollar meal that she didn't even want to eat in front of me because she was being a girl and didn't want to eat while I wasn't going to (dieting). She probably spent a few dollars more on me than I did on her in those three months even though neither of us spent much and she was making near minimum wage.
Not saying you were talking about me specifically in your post, again, but I in this case am not butthurt about her cheating (I'm 90% sure she did not actually take dick in any hole and that is only 90% because I'm paranoid and keep convincing myself she did something). I may be a tender dick though, although I don't think so overall outside of this case.
I was just trying to get info and opinions about a case of potential female deviousness that I had never experienced before both for my knowledge and to think if it happens again how I'd deal with it (probably just drop the chick and walk a block over and get another number).
An exaggerated but I think relevant metaphor I can use for this situation is about giving money to a homeless man for the first time in your life. Let's say you have a rule never to give money to homeless people both as a general rule and because you actually believe they are lazy and they use it for drugs or whatever. One day, well into your life, you see a homeless dude and for some reason decide let me hand the guy some change (because of a religious vision, because you want karma to work for you, because you want to just do it once in your life, or whatever stupid reason). You go over to the homeless guy and kindly hand him 97 cents with no arrogance. Then he looks at you and screams at you that he only takes bills and throws his hot coffee in your face (this happened to a friend of mine in LA minus the coffee in the face). That'd be a pretty funny, or in my case, infuriating reaction to the whole scenario.
That, although not as extreme, is what this I did and how the girl treated me.
I was never that butthurt, although the first time I saw it I couldn't bring myself to jerk my dick off and ejaculate for a day or two. She never talked to that first guy and looked at him for no more than 5 seconds.
I was not butthurt, I was furious. Not because of her, more so because you're shitting on my individuality and name with your actions. Let's just say I even tried months later to walk a certain person in site of a working camera and slap the shit out of the person on tape so there would be no debate on who did it and what would happen.
That isn't merely butthurt, it is furious belongs in a cage behavior, and it was based on a girl looking at three different guys and no more.
I'v never even slightly been in a cuck type scenario, if you can call it that, and now I know how my personality reacts to it.
I just wanted to know in theory what others thought about what she did so I could learn from it even if it never occurs again with another girl.
I know full well I was the hypocrite of all people, and I'm aware how the story makes me look. I'm also aware I'm writing a series of long ass posts and claiming not to be butthurt. I'm also aware of the old term keyboard jockey and what that entails.
Just wanted to see what others thought. Don't even necessarily think you were calling me out and I'm not defending my posts. I'm just the type to talk, and apparently, type, a lot about every single thing I've ever experienced or even read in a book once.
Still do want to see what others think (doubt people are reading these long posts) just to see whether this was actual cheating type behavior (or leading in that direction) or whether it was an "I'll show him" type behavior or maybe both.
I'm flying to another continent in two weeks and I doubt I'll see the girl again. Slept with two different girls a little over a week ago, one of which I recorded with her obvious knowledge giving me a handjob on top of my track pants while she was on the phone with her coworker. Still have the video on my phone. Didn't take the video out of being kinky or to show anyone, just to have some evidence that was legally admissible to show that the later sex was mutual because I weighed 120 lbs more than her and am a foot taller and I'm just paranoid like that.
I haven't texted more than 10 girls in the destination I'm going on tinder (lots of matches) and I haven't approached a girl in the city I'm in or really gone out in about a week. Basically since that recording I mentioned. I like to cold approach in the day, it is one of my favorite hobbies aside from sex and working out. I could at least do that or text on tinder instead of trying to prove I'm a player online.
As the British would say, I just can't be arsed. Not in the mood. And butthurt girl ended over 2.5 months ago. Just was wondering in theory, but I should just make smaller posts that are more relevant to what is actually being said.