[CleanSlate]

(01-18-2018 06:15 AM)Pointer Wrote:  

Well if you were using canned material and nothing happened it means you we're not doing it right or not following all the steps. Of course you can't use canned shit in the comfort building stage, that's where you have to work on becoming an interesting person. If you're a nerdy type you will fail hard once you get past the approach.

And gentlemen, that's exactly what a PUA would say.

(01-18-2018 06:15 AM)Pointer Wrote:  

What you probably needed was a bit more confidence which you gained from working out but that doesn't apply to everyone. Some guys just don't have time and simply don't enjoy spending hours in a smelly, sweaty gym.

You're kidding, right?

Getting my ass to the gym has done more for me than any game-related or self-help book.

Do you even lift?

(01-18-2018 06:15 AM)Pointer Wrote:  

Maybe they're confident in their looks without packing muscle. Are you going to tell them be yourself, be a man ? That's fine, some may even be more confident than you are, some may be bodybuilders, but without game they won't get consistency. Confidence alone does not seduce the girl. If you don't have a set of tools in your brain that you can use once you break the ice then you are relying purely on luck. You have no control on the outcome.

I didn't say "be yourself." I said "be a man." There is a massive difference. Apparently you don't get it... yet.

And, "set of tools"? "Confidence alone does not seduce the girl"? Have you been paying attention to what people are saying in this thread? Especially LINUX. There are no "tools" to use here. I had a mindset like yours in the past, but I was just getting in my own way. Once I got rid of that kind of thinking, I pulled far more than before, and better quality, too. All I had to do was get out of my own way and let my confidence and assertiveness carry me.

[Steelex]

My game may not be as sharp but my looks are five times better. My results are miles ahead.

It doesn't matter how you get the ball in the net, as long as it makes that swish sound.

[Hypno]

(01-18-2018 10:08 AM)Steelex Wrote:  

My game may not be as sharp but my looks are five times better. My results are miles ahead.

I'm the opposite. I was married for a long time, I am much heavier now, less hair, etc. But my inner confidence attitude etc means my results are way beyond where I was in my 20s. Its no comparison.

[General Stalin]

(01-18-2018 05:03 AM)Statesman Wrote:  

What I'm interested in is the stages you go through to get to the place Linux described. I've seen some writings on this but it would be good to have something on the RVF to progress from and to. What happens between newbie and internalized?

This can be a little different for everyone. It's a good topic and I'd be happy to write on it but my path might not parallel another's path.

For me it went like this (in a nut shell):

1.) Was bitter about being a doormat my whole young adult life and learned to treat women purely as sex objects and run textbook game from manosphere literature. Was mainly concerned with fucking as many different girls as I could - If they weren't going to fuck me then I didn't want to spend time with them. I deliberately kept myself from being attached to any women as I understood attachment = weakness and he-who-cares-less has the power. I would actually time my text responses to women and consciously calibrate my interactions.

2.) The novelty of smashing strange constantly was wearing off and I started to question my ability to love and pair-bond. Decided shallow interactions with women was not as enjoyable and beneficial to me as it once was and I started to go on dates with girls with a more outcome independent outlook and just cared about having a good time. If the girl was not enjoyable to spend time with then I didn't want to see them regardless of if she put out or if she was great in bed. This outcome independence leaked through to my game and women could sense I was just about enjoying life and good company moreso than just getting laid. This lead to having mini-relationships with girls who were enjoyable to be around.

3.) After enjoying a series of mini-relationships I stumbled upon one of them that I saw myself spending more and more time with, and then saw myself blowing off other girls to hang out with her instead. Decided to start seeing her exclusively and showed myself that I could bond again and care about a woman. This is where I am today, enjoying the exclusive company of one woman currently.

[Irenicus]

Not at all. My game has improved a lot over the years, and it still does.


I concur with LINUX. Game is something you can't really learn by reading forums, books, watching PUA's and so on. Experience, failure, and overcoming most of your insecurities is what really matters. Manosphere/PUA is indeed a good weapon in your arsenal, but it alone will not help you achieve what you want.


When I was a teenager, I was an angry beta who could not get laid even if my life depended on it. I was handsome, yes, but I could not sleep with girls I wanted. I did not lift, and I did not play any sports. Also, the fact that I was growing in a single mother household, without any good male role model, did not help at all. All things considered, my game was shit, and SMV even more.


In the Uni, I have started lifting. But improperly, because I relied mostly on machines and broscience given by trainers. But, despite all that, I did gain a little bit of gains, my confidence improved and I lost my V card (with an ugly girl). My game was better, and my SMV. But still...I could not bang hotties.


Them came the Army and the discovery of the Manosphere. Both helped my life tremendously. I have learned to lift properly (I rely on compound movements only), so I got a decent body. Became more soft spoken, stoic and Machiavellian (especially with girls). As a consequence, my SMV and game got better.


Will they keep improving as I age (28 years at the moment)? I am absolutely certain I will. I'll keep lifting, and will do my best to beat fucking Don Equis (or something) as the World's Most Interesting Man one day.


All my experiences are similar to what many manosphere authors themselves experienced. Roosh, for example, was also an intoverted teenager, and had to eat a ton of shit to get where he is now. Mike Cernovich was a fat kid with asthma, who was bullied. Look at him now. Cappy (a.k.a Aaron Clarey) was also something like that, and look at him now. They all had to eat ton of crap to become what they are now!


Same for everyone else. As long you work out, and try to unset Don Equis, your Game will improve. Again, PUA and manosphere knowledge alone will never help you.


So, to wrap it up, no, I thing that I am getting better at Game as I get older.

[The_e_man]

(01-18-2018 05:51 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

No.

I used to use canned openers, routines and negs, but I understand today that it wasn’t really game.

Right now, it’s not so much about what comes out of your mouth. It’s more about being a man.

In the past I would think I was killing it with game, busting out DHV stories and getting her to laugh — and then nothing happens.

Now, I don’t give a fuck if she thinks I’m funny or entertaining. Game, as I understand it, starts way before the girl is in front of me. I do my groundwork in the gym, personal improvement, and inner game. Then we’ll make some small getting-to-know-you talk to break the ice.

If I like her, I make it known as such. If she likes me, then we’re heading home together that night. I find that the “old version” of game tends to complicate things at best, or fuck it all up at worst.

Be a man. Don’t complicate things.

Agreed brother.
Although laying the groundwork and improving yourself as a man is the meat and potatoes of this "game" business, the actual part of interacting with girls must follow the KISS principle:
Keep
It
Simple
Stupid

[alex homer]

Unless, of course, you're talking to Russian, which is why you're told to never ask a Russian how they're doing because they give a far more detailed and accurate answer than "Fine."

It applies to Romanian also maybe, I asked one girl what she was doing in my city and she told me that she was running away from the cold weather and her marriage too

[Repo]

Yes, but I've also improved my appearance alot too. It's amazing how much of a difference more stylish and well fitting clothes have, with a better haircut and facial hair and more muscle.

My main areas of improvement are not getting emotional, and not being an edgelord. Back when I was younger, dumber and lonlier, I would say what I thought was edgy shit just to get a reaction. I was too socially unaware to realize everyone was cringing. I see alot of noobs doing the same thing, especially ones who watch RSD.

[Kieran]

I don't know if my game is better or not as I think I get about the same results, but I'm more natural and do the kind of game I feel proud of. The turning point for me to go completely natural was seeing a friend of mine giving girls high fives, and giving typical game responses to common questions like "what do you do", and it made me cringe. It still annoys me now if I see a girl that I'm moving to get her attention piqued at all by some high energy idiot, but I usually get the result in the end because she sees me as the kind of guy that will actually fuck her, not some light-weight entertainer. Sub-communicatilon is everything with this type of game though, and the off nights where I'm not feeling myself are brutal, much worse than when I was using material.

[Gorgonzola]

Spot on, guys. Great point, Linux. Thanks for sharing.

[scotian]

I had natural game when I was 10-14 and can remember girls asking me out and passing me cheesy notes as was normal back in the mid 90s. I had my first girl friend at 12 and to this day one of my biggest regrets was not fucking this 16 year old big titty girl when I was 14 who I remember once cornered me in the hallway at school to ask me out but I turned her down because she was from the wrong part of town. I truly had a “I don’t give a fuck” attitude and was a bad boy, my shenanigans made the tv and newspaper when I was ten. I was the kid that half the kids at school weren’t allowed to hang out with and the girls loved it. Of course, I didn’t really give a shit about stupid girls, I was into smoking weed/darts, playing hockey and fishing.

Then my idiot parents agreed to put me on Ritalin and I became a robot for two years, wised up by 16 though, quit the meds and started pounding some of that local teenage beaver.