[KingofScotland]

Met a fun and good looking girl out in Brazil last year whilst in Rio, she was there for a few days with a friend but lived in SP. Hung out with them in Rio until they went home then went to visit them a few weeks later. She had a boyfriend at the time but we still flirted and kissed a lot, though nothing more. The only real golden opportunity I had was at a party at her place when her parents were away, just as I was about to take off her underwear her brother walks in, loiters around for ages and fucks the whole thing up. No more opportunities and I leave soon after and go back to SP some 5 months later only for a few days so don't see her much.

Fast forward to now and she's here visiting me in Scotland before going to a couple other places in Europe over a month. She talked about it for for ages but didn't think it would ever happen. I met her on Wed night the spark we had in SP seemed absent, felt akward at times and conversation wasn't exactly flowing. We went out and drank, both of us really tired her from travelling me from early starts at work. We go back to my place a bit drunk and jump into bed, bit of kissing and then I try and take it further and she rolls away and says she's tired, we need to be up early etc so lets not. I tried to act like I didn't care and just rolled over without a fuss, must have fallen asleep instantly as next thing I know it's morning.

Last night we got drunk again and came back, kissing again, sucking on her tits her on top of me and grinding against me through my boxers and then went to take her top off and she said something like "no we shouldn't do this, it will ruin everything". I told her to stop being a cock tease bitch, she pleaded innocence and said she didn't know what I was talking about so I said "if you're going to be a bitch you should just go sleep on the floor" and kicked her out of bed. When I got up this morning she was cold, distant and has barely said a word to me all day. We've been out and about but hardly anything has been said between us, I've been making most of the conversation.

She's here until next week and if she leaves here and I've not fucked her I'll be furious at myself forever but I don't think it's going to be easy especially with me making her sleep on the floor. I don't really want to hang about with her for another few days if there's going to be no sex but I'm not big enough of a prick to tell her to fuck off either.

Anyone got any advice on how to deal with this and make it happen? If someone can tell me why someone comes and visits you so far away from home when they're not even interested then I'd be interested to hear that too.

[Menace]

When she said it will ruin everything, you should have said, "Don't worry, the sheets will come out in the wash."

Sounds to me like classic LMR, and I guess you should have just been more persistent and non-reactive. Can't get angry. By kicking her out of bed you're telling her I just want you for sex or you're useless, which is true, but you can't be overt by it.

[Roosh]

Seems like a case of her wanting some assurance that you don't think she's a slut. Stepping back and then restarting would have probably solved the problem. The only time you should get angry in bed is when you want her to leave.

[SkeletonJelly?]

Registered just to post this because it's a very obvious solution even though I have weak game and no legit bangs.

Your attitude towards sex needs to be that she always wants it more than you. She says sex is off the table? deliver "No problem, sleep on the couch or I won't control myself" with a smirk

Right now she just thinks you're a douchebag and is probably re evaluating every detail about you in her head. Chicks are supposed to *fall in love* with you AFTER the bang, right?

[gringochileno]

(09-16-2011 10:15 PM)SkeletonJelly? Wrote:  

Registered just to post this because it's a very obvious solution even though I have weak game and no legit bangs.

Your attitude towards sex needs to be that she always wants it more than you. She says sex is off the table? deliver "No problem, sleep on the couch or I won't control myself" with a smirk

Right now she just thinks you're a douchebag and is probably re evaluating every detail about you in her head. Chicks are supposed to *fall in love* with you AFTER the bang, right?

That's the right idea but if she actually goes and sleeps on the couch you're probably not going to end up having sex with her that night. If you want to keep escalating to the bang, the right move is to withdraw for a few minutes and then re-engage and see if you can't push through the resistance this time.

What you're saying about having the frame that she wants sex more than you do is true, but I feel like 90% of late game boils down to being a persistent motherfucker who doesn't mind spending an hour or two breaking down resistance. You're doing it right if there are only two end possibilities: you either have sex with her or she gets up, puts her clothes on, and leaves.

[KingofScotland]

Sorry for the delay in replying, been away touring the highlands with the girl. I can't stand spending 24/7 with the same person, it's torture. Got nothing new to say to each other, things just seem stagnant and boring, the laughs are few and far between and STILL NO SEX!

The night after me kicking out of bed things were uncomfortable all day between us, no conversation, she barely spoke, distant etc. Not surprised. I didn't even dare try it on that night in bed. Next two nights we spent in a hostel as part of this tour and were put in male and female dorms. She annoyed me all weekend, she would ignore me, avoid me, walk away from me when I tried to talk to her, didn't answer my questions or respond then at night we went out and she spent all night flirting with everyone in the pub, dancing and flirting shamelessly with people from the tour. Last night things were a bit better, we came to visit my mum (her idea not mines) and had dinner and drinks and she relaxed and went back to the happy and flirty girl I know and like and we got on well even after my mum had gone to bed. Tried to go for it last night in bed, but she just didn't react at all to any of my moves and lay there like she was alseep. Felt like it was a waste of time, she had kept her bra on in bed as well which she hadn't done before, thought maybe to try and tell me she wasn't interested. Today was OK, we got on a bit better again.

Tonight is the last night we'll spend together, going to go meet a couple friends for drinks. Gonna have to try it again tonight but I've a feeling it's a no go, think me kicking her out of bed killed any chances. Also the fact we've spent so long together and are clearly bored of each other isn't helping, there's no spark or passion there so can't see any good reason she'll decide tonight to give it up easily. See now that kicking her out of bed was the worst thing I could have done, felt at the time it was a strong move and would show her who the boss was, make her come crawling back for more type thing. How wrong could I be.

Anyone got any advice on how to seal the deal tonight?

[el mechanico]

Last chance huh? Ok. Have one of your buddys girl pull a smoke shield on her ass. Tell her to walk in right before you are ready to change venues and start getting a little touchy like she's jealous and cockblocking the Brazil prude.

Or if you have tight game just mack on some others lizards in front of her. Use her as a pawn to attract other bicthes. If she's hot you will at least get some local DHV out of her.

[tenderman100]

(09-16-2011 12:42 PM)KingofScotland Wrote:  

Last night we got drunk again and came back, kissing again, sucking on her tits her on top of me and grinding against me through my boxers and then went to take her top off and she said something like "no we shouldn't do this, it will ruin everything". I told her to stop being a cock tease bitch, she pleaded innocence and said she didn't know what I was talking about so I said "if you're going to be a bitch you should just go sleep on the floor" and kicked her out of bed. When I got up this morning she was cold, distant and has barely said a word to me all day. We've been out and about but hardly anything has been said between us, I've been making most of the conversation.

Anyone got any advice on how to deal with this and make it happen? If someone can tell me why someone comes and visits you so far away from home when they're not even interested then I'd be interested to hear that too.

Listed to Roosh...wisdom. The minute you accused her of being a "cock tease bitch" and conveyed your anger, it was over.

Here's the thing. There are two universes for women: the real universe, where she gets her tits sucked and grinds into you (and, ultimately, allows you to pound her pussy) and the imaginary universe, where sex is the end product of a "great romance" or "a prince charming." Virtually all problems related to sexual relationships boil down to the inevitable conflict between these two universes.

This is why women are really really nuts. Don't EVER expect rational thinking or consistent behavior when it comes to fucking a man. It's a hurricane inside that brain.

It is part of your job, as a gamer, to game those conflicts. To conflate them. To get that babe to see the real universe as consistent with the imaginary one. This is why kino, NLP, and other techniques work. They go to the heart of how to get women to get comfortable with reconciling these two universes.

You splashed cold water on her as she was trying, quite hard it seems, to get those two universes to align. Better for you to have her sit up, when she's all concerned about being a slut, and then face you, and say to her, while you are holding her hands, and from time to time gently stroking her arms, "Baby, I know, I know, I understand why you think making love will ruin everything. But you and I are meant to be lovers...I can feel it, I know YOU can feel it. Trust me...this is right...this is how we should be together."

In other words, you seduce her...she is begging, SCREAMING to be seduced. When a woman is asking to be seduced, seduce her.

If that doesn't get past the LMR, then allow her to shut down, but never ever demonstrate you are pissed off or hurt. Then follow El Mechanico's advice and set up the situations to DHV, and see how see reacts.

She WANTS to fuck you...but the universes are in conflict.

[SkeletonJelly?]

Jealousy plotline? Or sleep on the floor tonight as a last ditch effort

[Moma]

Play the tip as Tuth says. Play the tip.

Grease her with drinks and play the tip.

I had a lizard recently, I succeeded with penetration, it was a first time for me and her. She would not kiss (did so with minimal passion). I think she has a man and she is experiencing guilt.

We lay there that evening in a spoon position watching some rubbish film I put on as an excuse.
I just kept on rubbing her arse and thighs all the time and moving those panties down, inch by inch. Often she reclaimed the inches lost, pulling her leggings and panties up with a swift snatch (young lizards in Toronto..pfft!!).
I continued as indifferent as a Persian salesman intent on delivering my pitch.
I pulled them down the level they were resumed, gradually..masking the movement with a rub of the lower back or some other area.

I finally got her arse out partially (and what a juicy specimen it was!!), and after rubbing it for a bit, I found my way (round the back) to her snatch with my fingers.

Once I fondled the slit and was able to determine that her gash was juicy, I knew that it was now or never.

I brought out Benjamin and I eased him to her entrance. As soon as I found the cavity, boom, I went in..to the balls.

The rest as they say, en France, c'est l'histoire.

Play the tip, bruv. Play it.

[tenderman100]

(09-19-2011 03:24 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Play the tip as Tuth says. Play the tip.

Grease her with drinks and play the tip.

I had a lizard recently, I succeeded with penetration, it was a first time for me and her. She would not kiss (did so with minimal passion). I think she has a man and she is experiencing guilt.

We lay there that evening in a spoon position watching some rubbish film I put on as an excuse.
I just kept on rubbing her arse and thighs all the time and moving those panties down, inch by inch. Often she reclaimed the inches lost, pulling her leggings and panties up with a swift snatch (young lizards in Toronto..pfft!!).
I continued as indifferent as a Persian salesman intent on delivering my pitch.
I pulled them down the level they were resumed, gradually..masking the movement with a rub of the lower back or some other area.

I finally got her arse out partially (and what a juicy specimen it was!!), and after rubbing it for a bit, I found my way (round the back) to her snatch with my fingers.

Once I fondled the slit and was able to determine that her gash was juicy, I knew that it was now or never.

I brought out Benjamin and I eased him to her entrance. As soon as I found the cavity, boom, I went in..to the balls.

The rest as they say, en France, c'est l'histoire.

Play the tip, bruv. Play it.

There you go...seduction. Sometimes you can seduce with words, other times by escalating with the touch.

A technique I have found especially effective is to get a woman into a position where you can kiss the nape of her neck. "You smell really great."...and then you plant the gentle kiss. The minute she reaches back to touch you...you have her.

[el mechanico]

(09-19-2011 03:35 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

(09-19-2011 03:24 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Play the tip as Tuth says. Play the tip.

Grease her with drinks and play the tip.

I had a lizard recently, I succeeded with penetration, it was a first time for me and her. She would not kiss (did so with minimal passion). I think she has a man and she is experiencing guilt.

We lay there that evening in a spoon position watching some rubbish film I put on as an excuse.
I just kept on rubbing her arse and thighs all the time and moving those panties down, inch by inch. Often she reclaimed the inches lost, pulling her leggings and panties up with a swift snatch (young lizards in Toronto..pfft!!).
I continued as indifferent as a Persian salesman intent on delivering my pitch.
I pulled them down the level they were resumed, gradually..masking the movement with a rub of the lower back or some other area.

I finally got her arse out partially (and what a juicy specimen it was!!), and after rubbing it for a bit, I found my way (round the back) to her snatch with my fingers.

Once I fondled the slit and was able to determine that her gash was juicy, I knew that it was now or never.

I brought out Benjamin and I eased him to her entrance. As soon as I found the cavity, boom, I went in..to the balls.

The rest as they say, en France, c'est l'histoire.

Play the tip, bruv. Play it.

There you go...seduction. Sometimes you can seduce with words, other times by escalating with the touch.

A technique I have found especially effective is to get a woman into a position where you can kiss the nape of her neck. "You smell really great."...and then you plant the gentle kiss. The minute she reaches back to touch you...you have her.

Ohh Gawd. Moma sounds like he's writing for some British knock off of Penthouse letters and Tenderman a romace novel.lol

Heat her blood up Scotland and destroy her pussy!

[tenderman100]

(09-19-2011 03:59 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Ohh Gawd. Moma sounds like he's writing for some British knock off of Penthouse letters and Tenderman a romace novel.lol

Heat her blood up Scotland and destroy her pussy!

They love that shit...they really do. It works. It's why 8 jillion romance novels are sold every year, and they aren't being bought by you and me.

Give them what they want as a preliminary. And then, pound her like the animal she really wants to be.

[Spike]

(09-19-2011 11:16 AM)KingofScotland Wrote:  

Sorry for the delay in replying, been away touring the highlands with the girl. I can't stand spending 24/7 with the same person, it's torture. Got nothing new to say to each other, things just seem stagnant and boring, the laughs are few and far between and STILL NO SEX!

The night after me kicking out of bed things were uncomfortable all day between us, no conversation, she barely spoke, distant etc. Not surprised. I didn't even dare try it on that night in bed. Next two nights we spent in a hostel as part of this tour and were put in male and female dorms. She annoyed me all weekend, she would ignore me, avoid me, walk away from me when I tried to talk to her, didn't answer my questions or respond then at night we went out and she spent all night flirting with everyone in the pub, dancing and flirting shamelessly with people from the tour. Last night things were a bit better, we came to visit my mum (her idea not mines) and had dinner and drinks and she relaxed and went back to the happy and flirty girl I know and like and we got on well even after my mum had gone to bed. Tried to go for it last night in bed, but she just didn't react at all to any of my moves and lay there like she was alseep. Felt like it was a waste of time, she had kept her bra on in bed as well which she hadn't done before, thought maybe to try and tell me she wasn't interested. Today was OK, we got on a bit better again.

Tonight is the last night we'll spend together, going to go meet a couple friends for drinks. Gonna have to try it again tonight but I've a feeling it's a no go, think me kicking her out of bed killed any chances. Also the fact we've spent so long together and are clearly bored of each other isn't helping, there's no spark or passion there so can't see any good reason she'll decide tonight to give it up easily. See now that kicking her out of bed was the worst thing I could have done, felt at the time it was a strong move and would show her who the boss was, make her come crawling back for more type thing. How wrong could I be.

Anyone got any advice on how to seal the deal tonight?

Kicking her out your bed and making her sleep on the floor and you're still wondering why she doesnt want to have sex with her.
Let me tell you why : Because you are a giant jerk for doing this and she's only staying with you for a free bed and probably food and drinks.

I couldnt believe what i was reading. you kicked her out of the bed after she gave you some resistance. You are a moron. Show some respect and don't try to act over alpha or believe all the alpha advice to the letter. Some "guru"s dont know what they are talking about.

[el mechanico]

(09-19-2011 06:48 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(09-19-2011 11:16 AM)KingofScotland Wrote:  

Sorry for the delay in replying, been away touring the highlands with the girl. I can't stand spending 24/7 with the same person, it's torture. Got nothing new to say to each other, things just seem stagnant and boring, the laughs are few and far between and STILL NO SEX!

The night after me kicking out of bed things were uncomfortable all day between us, no conversation, she barely spoke, distant etc. Not surprised. I didn't even dare try it on that night in bed. Next two nights we spent in a hostel as part of this tour and were put in male and female dorms. She annoyed me all weekend, she would ignore me, avoid me, walk away from me when I tried to talk to her, didn't answer my questions or respond then at night we went out and she spent all night flirting with everyone in the pub, dancing and flirting shamelessly with people from the tour. Last night things were a bit better, we came to visit my mum (her idea not mines) and had dinner and drinks and she relaxed and went back to the happy and flirty girl I know and like and we got on well even after my mum had gone to bed. Tried to go for it last night in bed, but she just didn't react at all to any of my moves and lay there like she was alseep. Felt like it was a waste of time, she had kept her bra on in bed as well which she hadn't done before, thought maybe to try and tell me she wasn't interested. Today was OK, we got on a bit better again.

Tonight is the last night we'll spend together, going to go meet a couple friends for drinks. Gonna have to try it again tonight but I've a feeling it's a no go, think me kicking her out of bed killed any chances. Also the fact we've spent so long together and are clearly bored of each other isn't helping, there's no spark or passion there so can't see any good reason she'll decide tonight to give it up easily. See now that kicking her out of bed was the worst thing I could have done, felt at the time it was a strong move and would show her who the boss was, make her come crawling back for more type thing. How wrong could I be.

Anyone got any advice on how to seal the deal tonight?

Kicking her out your bed and making her sleep on the floor and you're still wondering why she doesnt want to have sex with her.
Let me tell you why : Because you are a giant jerk for doing this and she's only staying with you for a free bed and probably food and drinks.

I couldnt believe what i was reading. you kicked her out of the bed after she gave you some resistance. You are a moron. Show some respect and don't try to act over alpha or believe all the alpha advice to the letter. Some "guru"s dont know what they are talking about.

Neil, He knows he made a mistake and is being honest about it. He asked us for help and we should give it to him.
He doesn't deserve a neg point for that.

[mycleverid]

I rather favor Roosh's answer. You have to roll with events as they happen.

A lot of game is learning to just roll with the good and the bad. Women connect with any man who can do that. If she doesn't go for the cute-cocky answer, ala Roosh, then you disengage, stay in the room and see if she'll take the bait. Admittedly, disengagement works better as a first play -- but it's a hell of a lot better plan than "bitch? fuck me or leave!"

And to be truthful, we've all had that frustrated moment with a girl where we let our frustration get the better of us. Just realize that you don't really have master game until you stop letting frustration get the better of you. Master game is when you roll with everything like a Zen monk doing improv comedy in front of a crowd turning increasingly restless.

It's hard as hell, because there's a part of male aggression that screams to be reactive. But, that doesn't work with women. If you're reacting to a woman, especially her failures and weak moments, you've already failed to game.

[KingofScotland]

Fucked her last night. We had a good night at the pub with my mates, she ended up quite drunk, me not so much. Got back to mines, I went and brushed my teeth and came into the room and it looked like she was sleeping fully clothed. I climbed into bed and realised she had her top on still but had taken everything else off so I started playing atround with her which she responded to, there was no resistance this time. Fucked her twice. This morning I started playing around with her again, bit of resistance, would let me go so far then tell me to stop but I just kept at it until I had her naked and still even at that point she would tell me to stop. Eventually got her to the point where she was begging for it but I'd had enough of her by that time so just stopped and went and had a shower leaving her lying their frustrated. Probably should have fucked her again but felt better about myself by teasing her to the point of her begging for it then me not giving it to her.

Anyway all is well that ends well. She leaves today and I'm glad. Been long enough and we ended on a high.

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Kicking her out your bed and making her sleep on the floor and you're still wondering why she doesnt want to have sex with her. Let me tell you why : Because you are a giant jerk for doing this and she's only staying with you for a free bed and probably food and drinks.

I couldnt believe what i was reading. you kicked her out of the bed after she gave you some resistance. You are a moron. Show some respect and don't try to act over alpha or believe all the alpha advice to the letter. Some "guru"s dont know what they are talking about.

No I was well aware that she didn't want to have sex with me after me kicking her out of bed, I said that myself. I realised it was a big mistake but I was drunk and half asleep at the time it happened so wasn't thinking straight. She's not been getting free food and drinks from me at all, free bed yes but I don't care about that. If I had her stay in a hostel (which is what she'd be doing if I didn't put her up) chance of sex would have been zero. It's not like she couldn't afford a hostel either, mummy and daddys credit card are financing the whole thing, they are rich.

Also I didn't kick her out of bed because I thought it was was what the 'gurus' would do, I haven't read anything from any gurus or otherwise.