"What I had more than anyone else was drive. I was hungrier than anybody. I wanted it so badly it hurt."
- Arnold Schwarzenegger
How can you objectively assess your relative physical attractivness?
"What I had more than anyone else was drive. I was hungrier than anybody. I wanted it so badly it hurt."
- Arnold Schwarzenegger
Quote: (01-20-2018 06:45 PM)sonderho Wrote:
https://www.photofeeler.com/
This can be misleading, that website is more for judging the photos themselves, not your inherent attractiveness. I've scored in the top 10th percentile for two of my photos but much lower in others, and I would guess that I'm really just in the 7-8 range at best. You can make a 6 look like a 9 with a good photo and vice versa. Really you have to gauge it off of your own experiences in real life, if women often tell you you're attractive...then you probably are.
Case in point, a good photo can make all the difference.
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H1N1 is on point.
I also think it's more binary for women. You're either hot or you're not.
I realized that I am more attractive/handsome than I give myself credit when I lost weight (cheek bones and jawline appeared more prominent) and the following started happening:
- straight mates would tell me that my success is due to my looks
- I would catch girls checking me out in a static place (i.e. restaurant or bar) as opposed to the street (they check you out from way in advance)
- girls compliment me when drunk and offer to buy drinks
- gay guys constantly check me out and hit on me when I go out. I high five them and send them on their way or let them buy my girlfriend and myself a drink. A gay colleague tried pulling into me when were talking at an office party (not cool).
- like H1N1 said, girls compliment certain traits instead of calling you outright hot. I like your eyes/cheekbones/lips/anything
- my girlfriend can get pretty jealous when we are out especially when girls are next to me at the bar and looking at me or waitresses flirt and hold eye contact a bit longer etc.
- the way girls look at you
- girls naturally gravitate to your proximity
It's just my face, guys who have met me off here know that I am average height and weight (athletic with clothes on).
Honestly, out of all the above, probably the gay guys checking me out or complimenting me is the most surprising yet most reliable because they are super direct and I purposely try to avoid them or engaging with them. Girls are way more shy and it can be hit and miss due to factors such as your game interfering with how they evaluate your looks.
It's all relative though. I go out with both of my cousins who both used to model and girls don't even fucking notice me. If I am an 8, they are definitely 9s. Girls make an active effort to be around them.
I also think it's more binary for women. You're either hot or you're not.
I realized that I am more attractive/handsome than I give myself credit when I lost weight (cheek bones and jawline appeared more prominent) and the following started happening:
- straight mates would tell me that my success is due to my looks
- I would catch girls checking me out in a static place (i.e. restaurant or bar) as opposed to the street (they check you out from way in advance)
- girls compliment me when drunk and offer to buy drinks
- gay guys constantly check me out and hit on me when I go out. I high five them and send them on their way or let them buy my girlfriend and myself a drink. A gay colleague tried pulling into me when were talking at an office party (not cool).
- like H1N1 said, girls compliment certain traits instead of calling you outright hot. I like your eyes/cheekbones/lips/anything
- my girlfriend can get pretty jealous when we are out especially when girls are next to me at the bar and looking at me or waitresses flirt and hold eye contact a bit longer etc.
- the way girls look at you
- girls naturally gravitate to your proximity
It's just my face, guys who have met me off here know that I am average height and weight (athletic with clothes on).
Honestly, out of all the above, probably the gay guys checking me out or complimenting me is the most surprising yet most reliable because they are super direct and I purposely try to avoid them or engaging with them. Girls are way more shy and it can be hit and miss due to factors such as your game interfering with how they evaluate your looks.
It's all relative though. I go out with both of my cousins who both used to model and girls don't even fucking notice me. If I am an 8, they are definitely 9s. Girls make an active effort to be around them.
I agree with the gentleman above, they either like you or don't, they don't have this wide score and openess to variaty we have as man.
When you have your shit together and you're reasonably "atractive", say a 7 or so. Girls check you out and outrightly give you the looks or that eye-fucking stare. When you don't have your shit together, you don't even exist to them at all. That's how I've been measuring it.
When you have your shit together and you're reasonably "atractive", say a 7 or so. Girls check you out and outrightly give you the looks or that eye-fucking stare. When you don't have your shit together, you don't even exist to them at all. That's how I've been measuring it.
Quote: (01-23-2018 08:38 PM)lonewolf1992 Wrote:
I agree with the gentleman above, they either like you or don't, they don't have this wide score and openess to variaty we have as man.
When you have your shit together and you're reasonably "atractive", say a 7 or so. Girls check you out and outrightly give you the looks or that eye-fucking stare. When you don't have your shit together, you don't even exist to them at all. That's how I've been measuring it.
what do you mean 'having your shit together?'
Usually that phrase is used in relation to having a very well paid job and a big house and stuff, but obviously a hot girl walking down the street wouldn't know that about you lol
So are you just talking about like haircut and clothes or something?
Quote: (01-10-2018 12:48 PM)corsega Wrote:
Create a Tinder account. Number of matches/average match quality = attractiveness.
Not really, since one usually only matches with girls 1-3 points below themselves on Tinder (except if you are a 9 or a 10). Average girls can swipe for 2 hours and only swipe right on 3 guys. Online dating sites does not show how attractive you actually are (especially since there are more to attractiveness than what a simple 2D image on a screen can broadcast - like attitude, voice, eye contact etc).
Quote: (01-21-2018 09:27 AM)Batman_ Wrote:
Quote: (01-20-2018 06:45 PM)sonderho Wrote:
https://www.photofeeler.com/
This can be misleading, that website is more for judging the photos themselves, not your inherent attractiveness. I've scored in the top 10th percentile for two of my photos but much lower in others, and I would guess that I'm really just in the 7-8 range at best. You can make a 6 look like a 9 with a good photo and vice versa. Really you have to gauge it off of your own experiences in real life, if women often tell you you're attractive...then you probably are.
Case in point, a good photo can make all the difference.
My worst photo is in the 10th percentile while most others are in the 5th. Many are just regular selfies. I barely get matches on Tinder.
How about doing Roosh's IOI mall exercise that he outlined in Game. Basically walk around for a few hours and walk near girls of different attractiveness. Rate them and Gage their IOI. If they state at you for more than a second, their SMV is lower than yours by at least 2 points. If small IOI than their SMV is lower by a point. If they do not give you IOI, equal or lower SMV. For example, you see a 6 give you brief glance- your SMV 7 as girls always date up.
"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates
If girls initiate conversations with you and people tell you that you are good looking, then you are attractive.
Quote: (01-10-2018 01:59 PM)H1N1 Wrote:
If straight dudes discuss how good looking you are, you're top 5-10%.
Yeah if random guys call you "GQ" sometimes, if girls holler at you even when their boyfriend has their arm around them, if girls you don't know randomly ask you to kiss them, if girls you don't know randomly kiss you, or if young, good looking gay guys (no homo) hit on you or offer you blowjobs, you're probably top 5-10%.
Quote: (12-26-2018 12:46 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:
Quote: (01-10-2018 01:59 PM)H1N1 Wrote:
If straight dudes discuss how good looking you are, you're top 5-10%.
Yeah if random guys call you "GQ" sometimes, if girls holler at you even when their boyfriend has their arm around them, if girls you don't know randomly ask you to kiss them, if girls you don't know randomly kiss you, or if young, good looking gay guys (no homo) hit on you or offer you blowjobs, you're probably top 5-10%.
To be fair, all the above (except for being called GQ) have happened to me on more than one occasion, and I'm a bald, ugly fucker.
Looks definitely help, but personality/game/charisma etc. definitely help just as much.
A random tale:
About six or so weeks ago, I met two mates of mine for a drink or two in town.
Mate one: Dark hair, tall, thin, always smiling;
Mate two: Bald, 5'8" or so, smaller than me in every way, visible nose hair, stained front tooth. Top bloke, though, and always smiling, cheerful and upbeat.
When I met them two women had latched onto them. Neither of them had a lot going for them; two sixes.
Mate two introduced me to them and explained that I had been working late at the small enterprise I run with my pal. But he built me up massively, to the point where I didn't recognise myself; I was basically the bald Alan Sugar.
Both women were all smiles, but one of them was biting her lip, giving me big puppy dog eyes, stroking my arm etc. The phrase 'open goal' crossed my mind. But I just couldn't get enthusiastic about her. She actually came across as a bit needy.
We left for another dive bar in a small group, where I went to get a drink.
A tall (6'3" at least), athletic, dark-haired lad pushed in at the bar, with his back to me, and started talking to my mates. He gravitated towards the woman with the puppy-dog eyes and started chatting to her; he was all hand gestures and she seemed more than interested.
I thought fair play, lad.
Then, Mate two found her again. It was as if the tall guy didn't exist. He looked utterly fed-up as my pal got talking; his head was bowed and I thought he was going to stamp his feet and storm out...
Mate two actually came over to me shortly afterwards and asked if I was interested in either of these girls. I said no; to be honest, there were no women that got my attention, so I was just looking to get steaming. We all left for another bar shortly afterwards, where my bald mate got a snog and a number from her. They dated briefly afterwards, although it didn't work out. Mate one (who tried and failed with the other woman) and me went our separate ways at some point.
"But, Al, she was a six!" I know, but the fact is that my shorter, bald mate with dodgy nose hair and a t-shirt stole a woman from a man who ticked all the male physical boxes: tall, good shape, good hair and well dressed.
I've been on the Samichlaus this afternoon and this might come across as a bit incoherent, but the moral of the story is that if you can talk to and relate to women in a way that fires them up and gets their vaginas tingling then looks really are not everything.
Men are not creepy. Do you know what’s creepy? Spiders, because we don’t know how they move.
Jesus... My co-workers kill me with underwear model jokes. If I could get a straight jaw line I'd be killing it.
I always thought of if gay guys hit on you as well. Women unless fat or ugly imo don't compliment as much.
I always thought of if gay guys hit on you as well. Women unless fat or ugly imo don't compliment as much.
Here's one:
If you get more girls for ONS by talking LESS.
Here's another:
If people call you charming just cause you had a 5 minute conversation.
And another brutal one:
If girls lose interest in you quickly, but only after you banged.
If you get more girls for ONS by talking LESS.
Here's another:
If people call you charming just cause you had a 5 minute conversation.
And another brutal one:
If girls lose interest in you quickly, but only after you banged.
i think the best things to do is not to be shallow,not to be an attention whore like all these narcissic damaged hotties,reject 80% of what the dating marketing dictate you,women in general like men with personnality try to sweep of the grid
imagine a circle with a lamp,a core of light and all the butterflies or others noctural insects who turn around and dies is the same thing for the dating process the disbalance of chads and stacies who monopolized all this shit, superficial slick hyper-ego narcissic people with 2IQ,try to take a huge retro zoom,and visualized the all picture about yourself and your different skills and defaults.
and please stopped about this complete bullshit about alpha,beta,delta,theta you can do all the greek alphabet,this thing exist only for animals,try to relativized and give less and less importance,did you think that great historic figures in history with great achievements have the time for "the game" certainly not even a lot of them was married.i don't know read interresting books ,be interrested by many form of plastic arts,maybe thinking about create something with your own hands from the scratch,draw,sculpt,developped your cognitives senses,be half medium and try to guess what the girl(s) wants and if you don't know move on,any of you have never think about nature,forest,with a bunch of friends phone of, computer of,its called resourcing,also yoga,tai chi chuan qi gong,and the hottest girls are in the yoga courses.know your chakras,your elements like air water fire earth;your stone by wavelenght ,medidate in a buddhist temple,study the way of tao.
humans by nature are cosmological creature and if your sparks from inside your sparks from outside too,and when your achieved to be at higher level of awarness, you haven't need of shitty phone and all the apps,you even need to say a single word,and at this time in a fractal your fall on a female on the same level than you and bam! THE ONE,the chosen a top high ten healthy sporty smiling etc etc.otherwise you go back to the square one with the lamp and the butterflies,the peackocks,the second-rate damaged chads and stacies,the low life ,the cesspool of the dating world.being is better than appear.
and because i'am french if you know serge gainsbourg one day he says this powerfull phrase :
Ugliness is certainly superior to beauty, for at least it lasts.
so let random the chads and stacies appears like doomed butterflies they are when you, you be.
i hope my syntax is not too shitty
be seeing you.
imagine a circle with a lamp,a core of light and all the butterflies or others noctural insects who turn around and dies is the same thing for the dating process the disbalance of chads and stacies who monopolized all this shit, superficial slick hyper-ego narcissic people with 2IQ,try to take a huge retro zoom,and visualized the all picture about yourself and your different skills and defaults.
and please stopped about this complete bullshit about alpha,beta,delta,theta you can do all the greek alphabet,this thing exist only for animals,try to relativized and give less and less importance,did you think that great historic figures in history with great achievements have the time for "the game" certainly not even a lot of them was married.i don't know read interresting books ,be interrested by many form of plastic arts,maybe thinking about create something with your own hands from the scratch,draw,sculpt,developped your cognitives senses,be half medium and try to guess what the girl(s) wants and if you don't know move on,any of you have never think about nature,forest,with a bunch of friends phone of, computer of,its called resourcing,also yoga,tai chi chuan qi gong,and the hottest girls are in the yoga courses.know your chakras,your elements like air water fire earth;your stone by wavelenght ,medidate in a buddhist temple,study the way of tao.
humans by nature are cosmological creature and if your sparks from inside your sparks from outside too,and when your achieved to be at higher level of awarness, you haven't need of shitty phone and all the apps,you even need to say a single word,and at this time in a fractal your fall on a female on the same level than you and bam! THE ONE,the chosen a top high ten healthy sporty smiling etc etc.otherwise you go back to the square one with the lamp and the butterflies,the peackocks,the second-rate damaged chads and stacies,the low life ,the cesspool of the dating world.being is better than appear.
and because i'am french if you know serge gainsbourg one day he says this powerfull phrase :
Ugliness is certainly superior to beauty, for at least it lasts.
so let random the chads and stacies appears like doomed butterflies they are when you, you be.
i hope my syntax is not too shitty
be seeing you.
If girls are attracted to you before you even open your mouth then you're attractive.
The brutal way:
take the looks of the past 5 girls you fucked and average them. That's how good looking you are (+ or - a point depending on other factors).
Guys don't like this method though.
People talking to you:
Disclaimer: I think guys can be unattractive physically but still be very attractive due to charisma. I know quite a few guys like that.
Compliments:
Women compliment you on your skin/eyes/muscles whilst touching you.
Women say you look like you're an athlete, fighter or some other traditionally rugged person.
Dudes give you a serious once over when you walk into a bar or a set.
Girls get your # from friends when you leave and don't ask for their #.
People just want to talk to you for no reason. I get this a lot if I roll solo and post up at a bar and drink alone. Invariably someone will come up and talk to me to figure out why I'm comfortably alone.
Girls know you simply by your physique.
I had a funny moment where I introduced myself to a girl I work with and she goes, "Oh I already know you. You're the guy with the most beautiful muscles in the room."
take the looks of the past 5 girls you fucked and average them. That's how good looking you are (+ or - a point depending on other factors).
Guys don't like this method though.
People talking to you:
Disclaimer: I think guys can be unattractive physically but still be very attractive due to charisma. I know quite a few guys like that.
Compliments:
Women compliment you on your skin/eyes/muscles whilst touching you.
Women say you look like you're an athlete, fighter or some other traditionally rugged person.
Dudes give you a serious once over when you walk into a bar or a set.
Girls get your # from friends when you leave and don't ask for their #.
People just want to talk to you for no reason. I get this a lot if I roll solo and post up at a bar and drink alone. Invariably someone will come up and talk to me to figure out why I'm comfortably alone.
Girls know you simply by your physique.
I had a funny moment where I introduced myself to a girl I work with and she goes, "Oh I already know you. You're the guy with the most beautiful muscles in the room."
I will be checking my PMs weekly, so you can catch me there. I will not be posting.
Quote: (01-10-2018 01:00 PM)subterfuge Wrote:
Quote: (01-10-2018 12:48 PM)corsega Wrote:
Create a Tinder account. Number of matches/average match quality = attractiveness.
that's heart breaking, lol
I get basically ZERO matches per month, and i'm not exaggerating. Maybe 0-3 on average, and I tend to use all my swipes up each day (although I only swipe on girls I think are hot)
I guess game purists would say that looks don't matter and it's all about game (mystery method etc) but i'm not sure anyone really believes that anymore
I have personally got 2 matches in one month or so. one landwhale and one girl who has never replied. Just get out of tinder , it is biased for women. Go on other websites. Improve your circles. Dont use tinder as an indicator , unless you are a chad you wont be very successful.
Quote: (01-20-2018 06:45 PM)sonderho Wrote:What is your view on this site guys? I agree with Noir's comment, but would like to hear others about how accurate the website was in assessing your score. Also it seems that for the free version one can't limit the target test audience. It's a huge caveat, I don't want grannies or other guys' opinions.
https://www.photofeeler.com/
If you are asking this question, you are probably not attractive (no hate)
Random eye contact on the street
Girls approaching you
Etc
Random eye contact on the street
Girls approaching you
Etc
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Nah man, it just seems like a one hella like useful tool for screening for bad photos. Probably asking past lays for their opinion is still better though.
Quote: (01-12-2019 12:16 PM)EwartGrogan Wrote:
Nah man, it just seems like a one hella like useful tool for screening for bad photos. Probably asking past lays for their opinion is still better though.
Try with a wing woman. They tend to pull in the chick for ya and she keeps her friend busy. She's gotta be at least a 8.5/10 imo. YMMV.
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