[Westcoast99]

For someone with beginner game, and a more naturally introverted “beta” personality would Eastern Europe or South America be better choice for seeking a LTR/ wife? If I did choose South America it would have to be among the more whiter looking European upper classes which I know requires stronger game and social proof.

Took my first trip abroad to Spain and got very little IOI’s from the Spanish women 7+, I am afraid South America could result in a similar experience among the 7-8+ Upper classes.

I got the tinder passport and set it on Kiev for 2 weeks and was talking to literally 8-9.5’s...However Biggest hinderance to EE is language barrier (I know zero Russian but am willing to study now If I decide EE) and Cultural differences. Also have a Ukrainian friend in US who was born in Kiev who may go over there with me this summer.

Any advice appreciated especially on South America and areas of EE more receptive to traditional Catholicism (I am a sedevacantist) Western Ukraine? Thank you.

[Shimmy]

If you're a naturally introverted beta traveling to those places to get the women you want is not going to do you any good. Work on yourself first before you go seeking a wife.

[Westcoast99]

^Good point, problem is I live on a coastal city in USA and I just can’t deal with American women anymore. The lack of femininity, the you go gurrlll attitude so prevalent among these 5-6.5’s, their horrible fashion, and obesity is taking a toll on me. I’m 29 and I think I am ready to throw in the towel for night game in the USA.

So that leaves day game. Which is getting harder at 29 if I want 18-22 yr old women for serious LTR who aren’t complete sluts. Where do I even go for that? Local community colleges and pretend I’m a student? Those are some of the reasons I want to go abroad ASAP.

But yes, I have made improvements in my game and confidence and have hit the gym regularly.

I’m also trying to come to a decision soon, independent of my own personal improvements, because I know how difficult it is to learn Russian or a language like that.

[Monxp]

SEA ie. South East Asia would be best bet for an absolute beginner. Get a nice place for a month, work out, date girls and forticate them with your Mighty Westcoat to get some experience under your bucket. After that, hit the culture you are most interested and try to find a LTR there. Getting an LTR from a culture you are keen on or at least interested is extremely important, since you are going to spend lot of time with her and her culture's mindset.

[Pointer]

I believe Roosh said in a recent video that EE is not for beginners. Learning game in EE without speaking the local language is much harder than the US and time consuming. You need to genuinely like the country and the culture. If you're really serious about making big changes in your life and learning Russian then go to Ukraine for a few weeks. Visit a few cities, see which one you enjoy then come back and start packing. Give yourself 1 to 2 years to find a decent girl and meanwhile think long hard what happens after you marry her. Do you bring her to a toxic environment or do you stay in Ukraine for the rest of your life ? Maybe you can find a country in the middle.

Use Tinder to meet some girls at the beginning but don't rely on it later to find a wife. 8 and 9s don't search for dudes online, they get plenty of attention in real life. As a general rule the more attractive the girl is the less English she speaks. You'll have to bang some groupies at the beginning before you build your language skills and your confidence to attract better quality.

[nzd]

I live in Italy but originally from Russia so I don't have any problems with the Russian language. I also try to decide between SA and EE(Russia), wouldn't say that I'm a beginner, but I have the same goal as the op.
Not sure if I like the idea of staying forever in Russia, but have no problem for couple years.
Just came back from Australia and NZ, bad places for women, too liberal and repulsive, worse than Italy. Also visited Germany, they look ok, but their ideology about marriage and immigration.
To the op, why wouldn't you try North America? There are some family oriented women and you don't need to learn a new language.

[Aquarius]

(03-05-2018 12:49 AM)nzd Wrote:  

I live in Italy but originally from Russia so I don't have any problems with the Russian language. I also try to decide between SA and EE(Russia), wouldn't say that I'm a beginner, but I have the same goal as the op.
Not sure if I like the idea of staying forever in Russia, but have no problem for couple years.
Just came back from Australia and NZ, bad places for women, too liberal and repulsive, worse than Italy. Also visited Germany, they look ok, but their ideology about marriage and immigration.
To the op, why wouldn't you try North America? There are some family oriented women and you don't need to learn a new language.

The major coastal metropolises of North America that the OP is already in have more or less the same quality of girls and levels of liberalism and repulsion as their counterparts in Australia.

The conservative family oriented areas of America can be just as hard as that's precisely where the obesity epidemic in America truly rears its ugly head and takes on a whole new level, compared to the major cities which are bad but still manageable and on par with the rest of the Anglosphere. And the few hot non-fat family oriented chicks from there tend to be locked down very quickly by the local alphas.

[nzd]

I read here that there are plenty of fly women in LA, Miami and NYC. By the way I look South American so I'm not sure if that's an advantage for South America or not

[Westcoast99]

Aquarius nailed it.

NZD- There are some younger traditonal minded girls in west coast USA but they get picked up very early. I may make a road trip to the mountain west states soon (ID, MT, WY, CO).

I have been lurking the EE FSU threads and I am very hesitant to go over there now. Especially as someone with little game- could be a recipe for disaster.

I am taking duolingo and other spanish apps, target now is South America January 2019. Now trying to locate the best countries for weather, cost, safety, and livability should I ever find a LTR/marry there.

My ideal woman is white but has dark mediterranean features- Italian/French/Spanish. NZD- maybe you can give us American guys a summary of the Italian situation? Everything Ive read has said they are the least promiscuous in western europe.