[thekid]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...98820.html

Title is slightly misleading, but still an interesting read.

[jariel]

Really?

And what is betaness doing for men?

[blurb]

It's retarded how some articles talk about alpha/beta. They usually think that monetary/worldly success makes a man an alpha. If that were the case, then every doctor, businessman, and CEO would have a dime on his arm, yet there are homeless guys banging models. Seriously, some of these research scientists need a dose of reality.

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It isn't easy being an alpha male. Getting to the top and staying there takes a physical toll.

WTF? Look at roosh, one of the most stress-free laid-back cats ever.

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The latest evidence comes from wild baboons in Kenya's Amboseli basin.

They're comparing humans to baboons without even taking into account the differences between us?

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Women, of course, can be alphas.

Yes, if they're an 8 or above and between 18-25 years old.

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The beta males had almost as many mates and got just as much grooming from others, but they didn't have to spend as much time fighting or following females around to keep other males away.

Who the hell does this? (Besides beta men) This might be one of the most absurd things I've ever heard of alpha men doing. Anyone with an inkling of knowledge of how women work would know that being needy and having oneitis is a ticket to celibacy.

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In the human savannah, where smarts matter more than brute strength, alphas run companies, amass fortunes and dominate any meeting they're in.

Wrong. Some of the richest guys out there are betas (e.g. Hugh Hefner, that Magic card-playing guy) Game is essentially psychosocial dominance. If these guys really had psychosocial dominance, then every lawyer, CEO, etc. would have a dime on his arm, yet this isn't the case.

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To date, there have been few studies assessing whether human alphas or betas are healthier.

Then why the heck is this article making such huge assumptions and comparisions with so little data?

Clearly, these guys have a totally different idea of what an alpha is.

[scorpio]

If you run pure alpha game, you're bound to piss a lot of girls off.

[megaframe]

As blurb said, a very sketchy study indeed. But even if this were true, does it matter? Honestly I'd rather take a few years off of my life than be beta. Roissy's addressed it once too: http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/01/2...-me-right/

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If you had to choose between living a 50 year lifespan as an alpha male who beds hundreds of beautiful women and living a 200 year lifespan as a beta male who has one ten year LTR with a plain jane, which would you choose?

[Hooligan Harry]

Look, I dont agree with all of the article either, but you are way off in some ways I think

(09-13-2011 08:49 PM)blurb Wrote:  

It's retarded how some articles talk about alpha/beta. They usually think that monetary/worldly success makes a man an alpha. If that were the case, then every doctor, businessman, and CEO would have a dime on his arm, yet there are homeless guys banging models. Seriously, some of these research scientists need a dose of reality.

Homeless guys banging models? Come now, I think you are a little too taken in with this whole PUA thing bro.

"If a man could fuck in a cardboard box, he wouldnt buy a house" - Dave Chapelle

Lets be realistic here. A fat homeless guy who can spit game is not going to be picking up models. He is only going to be fucking other homeless women.

While not every doctor is going to have a dime piece on his arm, if the dude was not a social conservative and chased poon like you did, being a doctor would do him major favours. There is truth to that.

Chicks dig money and high status jobs. Fact of life, denied by those who dont have money or high status jobs. And women, who have been shamed into thinking their natural proclivity towards winners is bad, deny it too.

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In the human savannah, where smarts matter more than brute strength, alphas run companies, amass fortunes and dominate any meeting they're in.

Wrong. Some of the richest guys out there are betas (e.g. Hugh Hefner, that Magic card-playing guy) Game is essentially psychosocial dominance. If these guys really had psychosocial dominance, then every lawyer, CEO, etc. would have a dime on his arm, yet this isn't the case.

Hugh Heffner is a beta? Jesus, you have got to be kidding me. The guy was a social juggernaught who had women willing to suck his toes for a minute of his time. He built an empire and created an industry and you call that beta? Lol.

The next example, magic card playing guy? Lol, what is that? Who the fuck plays Magic? Is that that gay card game shit you are talking about? They are not fucking him out of principle. How do you put that guy in the same sentence as Hugh Heffner?

Alphas are leaders, either by force or guile. Not every convict is an alpha male and not every CEO is one either, but the vast majority are because they tend to be extremes on each end of the spectrum.

Articles like that though are a load of rubbish. Take them with a pinch of salt. Its just the MSM having a feminist dig at men, nothing to see here

[blurb]

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Homeless guys banging models? Come now, I think you are a little too taken in with this whole PUA thing bro.

I was exagerrating and being sarcastic. But, c'mon, roosh banging women in his dad's basement is pretty close.

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"If a man could fuck in a cardboard box, he wouldnt buy a house" - Dave Chapelle

Mixx actually banged a woman in a cardboard box. Happened in Brazil.

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Chicks dig money and high status jobs.

Agree. Immediate DHV.

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Hugh Heffner is a beta? Jesus, you have got to be kidding me.

Heffner got rejected by a woman, 20-something-years-old too. Happened this year if memory serves me correctly.

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The next example, magic card playing guy?

Jon Finkel. The guy was a multimillionaire who got rejected by a woman who's a 3 and looks like she's 45 years old.

http://gizmodo.com/5833787/my-brief-okcu...ing-player

[Roosh]

The mainstream perception of alpha male is more like a guy with Type A workaholic personality. Quite off the mark.

[Gmac]

I agree with Roosh. Their definition of Alpha is misleading. They're comparing apples to oranges. A baboon alpha in the wild is quite different from a successful CEO who probably couldn't hold his own against other males.

[adubz]

As soon as I saw them comparing humans to baboons, I stopped reading.

[MikeCF]

The story ignores the contextual nature of status.

I will totally play beta at work for for a client...if it leads to $$$ that allows me to life my alpha lifestyle.

Americans can only think about work, and thus consider as an alpha male the fat fuck whose wife is fucking around behind his back.

For me, work = fuel for lifestyle. Once my investments finish paying off, I will do nothing but goof off on the Internet, read, hang out, party, travel, and run game. Let some other fucker die of a heart attack in his quest to become an "alpha male."

[ersatz]

(09-16-2011 05:43 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

The story ignores the contextual nature of status.

I will totally play beta at work for for a client...if it leads to $$$ that allows me to life my alpha lifestyle.

Americans can only think about work, and thus consider as an alpha male the fat fuck whose wife is fucking around behind his back.

For me, work = fuel for lifestyle. Once my investments finish paying off, I will do nothing but goof off on the Internet, read, hang out, party, travel, and run game. Let some other fucker die of a heart attack in his quest to become an "alpha male."

Don't fucking goof off on the internet, it eats you alive inside. Even snorkeling in borneo gets tiring after a while. Have a goal, try to accomplish or creating something that has meaning to you. Start Khan Academy, player school for 14 year olds, angel investing, whatever. Give back to world and make something.

[MiXX]

@ersatz

Hummmm. Give back to the world and make something you say?

Yeah, I'm at that stage:

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[Samseau]

(09-16-2011 04:58 PM)adubz Wrote:  

As soon as I saw them comparing humans to baboons, I stopped reading.

haha, same here.