Quote: (11-07-2017 12:54 PM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:
I was somewhat anti-abortion until a long exposure to ghetto / welfare culture (including whites in this via my experiences with generational welfare cases in VT).
I would say we are 70%-75% product of our genetics (nature) with the rest nutrition an culture (nurture). We spent billions in welfare, Head Start, Section 8, etc.. and it has not lead to any improvement. Poverty and violence is still with us. You can't fix low IQ, lack of future time orientation, lack of emotional self-control, and a violent orientation if it is hard coded into one's genes.
My outlook turned darker over time, concluding that there are a lot of people that I do not want reproducing.
Average IQ is relative, to a possible future genetically engineered society with average IQ of 150 or higher, your IQ might also be considered low and you would be selected for abortion. Think about it.
You can increase public future time orientation and emotional self control of general population in a rather homogeneous society with clear values. Just look how different are Americans and Canadians where huge amount of people are on welfare, 25% of population takes psychiatric medicine and SJW issues run rampart with Eastern Europe or China or Japan, where such issues are very small, despite similar IQ levels.
Poverty is also relative. In a medium 150 IQ society, people with 110 IQ will be the unemployed hobo's. There is a bottom 1-5% of poor people that cannot be eliminated no matter what. Violence will also exist always, it's stupid to hide from that. Low IQ violence is two drunkards brawling and hitting their wives. High IQ violence is socially awkward silent people who are too smart to dumb themselves down to play reproductive games committing a carefully planned mass shooting. No matter how high the IQ is reproductive game will require some level of irrationality and either it will be regulated by culture and traditions or people will turn to animals, dumb animals or smart and viscous animals, doesn't matter.
One thing I have noticed is that high IQ doesn't really increase abilities of introspection. Many high IQ people can be vain and proud and stubborn to the point of being infantile, violent, treacherous, backstabbing and crazy. Without culture that bestows values and self control and understanding of sin and virtue, no amount of high IQ will really help. Lot's of destructive high IQ communists and SJW out there. You think Bernie Sanders is low IQ? You think his supporters like the Amazing Atheist and liberal college students and liberal professors are low IQ? You think Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and Mao were low IQ? No, there is a matter of wisdom that is above IQ and that even very high IQ people may lack.