[Shimmy]

(12-01-2017 02:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  

Hey guys. Newbie question. Where do you actually follow the news about SEO updates and updates from Facebook/Linkedin ads? Is there like a good portal website for this?

With a grain of salt. For the most part SEO is the same as it was 15 years ago. If you build your site to be better than anyone else, keep up with link building, and add content then most of the other stuff won't matter. It's kind of like the fitness industry where they release a new study that you need 1.5 grams of protein per day instead of 1.0 because they don't have anything to write about. On top of that google will release fake information to trick people into not using gray hat techniques that work but they are unable to filter out because legit sites do it too naturally.

[This Is Trouble]

This, 110%.

Quality content almost always wins out.

[skptc]

(12-08-2017 12:22 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 10:09 AM)skptc Wrote:  

This is a terrible business model tbh unless you have a decent chunk of capital and can run content arbitrage on a native network/adsense.

For this to make real money you will need to leverage paid traffic.

Instead of just swatting the thread right down...



...how about recommending a better business model, or a constructive plan for making this one better, then?

Hey I kind of did!

A better model would be churn out viral/mainstream (health/wealth/relationships/celeb etc.) content and monetize with native ads, Adsense + Display.

You can then buy traffic on native platforms such as Revcontent and possibly Facebook (might have to cloak, but thats going down a whole new rabbit hole).

The trick here is having optimized ad placements and coming up with creative angles to get cheap clicks to your page.

From here you could even capture emails, opt-in users to Messenger funnels and Push notifications and monetize further with affiliate offers.

[This Is Trouble]

Do you know how many views you need to make any money off Adsense?

You’re saying that the niche model is terrible, because to quote you: “you will need to leverage paid traffic.”

Then you say to use paid traffic to build a viral site?

Better question: have you done both personally?

[nomadbrah]

The problem with Adsense has been, and still is, that the kind of content and UI experience that gives you lots of clicks on Adsense are terrible for both the user and for SEO. It also drives the visitor away from your page.

It can work in some niches and it doesn't have to be spammy. It used to be quite good. I had a niche site that made $1500 a month on Adsense several years ago. There was, and still isn't, any alternative for monetization in the niche I was in, but you couldn't rank such a site in Google either now.

[DJ-Matt]

(12-02-2017 09:44 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 01:16 AM)Kdog Wrote:  

Slightly off topic but are any of you guys also into CPA affiliate stuff?

What do you mean by CPA affiliate stuff?

I'm in a slightly different business, but CPA has always been a loser for me, in both banner and audio ads.

Essentially they run for free all over your network and MAYBE 1 guy calls in and you get $20. It seems like a good deal because the payout per customer is high, but most CPA products are dogshit or scams and no one goes for them and earns you any money. I'll take a low-paying CPM ad any day.

The only exceptions is if the CPA ad in question ties in directly with what your blog/website deals with. Like selling copies of Bang through a pickup advice site. Or if you offer tax advice and the ads are for a tax lawyer.

[nomadbrah]

Ok, but isn't CPA just a similar word as CPL?

Cost per Lead, Cost per Action? Or is it Cost per Acquisition?

Fundamentally all these different methods of payment: click, lead, sale%, should even out in earnings pr. click.

[DJ-Matt]

Cost Per Acquisition, whenever I've seen them sold it usually involves calling a phone number or visiting a website through a special link. But in a lot of cases you get zero unless they go all the way through with it.

When I worked in TV for a small independent station they ran tons of infomercials in the off-time. The sales manager told me some were actually paying for airtime, but a lot of the stuff we ran overnights was CPA type. They have the same infomercial produced with a few different telephone numbers, and they know which station is supposed to be running a given 800 number during a half hour, and any sales on that number would go to that station's payout. It wasn't much but was better revenue than reruns of Rockford Files or Andy Griffith.

I've never dealt with anything called a CPL, but I would guess they're probably both called CPA most times since it's essentially the same thing, you only get paid if someone calls or signs up or buys whatever it is, as opposed to CPM where it's the number of eyeballs and ears that were exposed to it.

[nomadbrah]

Ok, in my book, CPA just means getting paid for a lead (cost per action), email, phone number, free signup, trial etc.

[stefpdt]

(12-12-2017 11:29 AM)skptc Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 12:22 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 10:09 AM)skptc Wrote:  

This is a terrible business model tbh unless you have a decent chunk of capital and can run content arbitrage on a native network/adsense.

For this to make real money you will need to leverage paid traffic.

Instead of just swatting the thread right down...



...how about recommending a better business model, or a constructive plan for making this one better, then?

Hey I kind of did!

A better model would be churn out viral/mainstream (health/wealth/relationships/celeb etc.) content and monetize with native ads, Adsense + Display.

You can then buy traffic on native platforms such as Revcontent and possibly Facebook (might have to cloak, but thats going down a whole new rabbit hole).

The trick here is having optimized ad placements and coming up with creative angles to get cheap clicks to your page.

From here you could even capture emails, opt-in users to Messenger funnels and Push notifications and monetize further with affiliate offers.

What makes you think that native ad arbitrage is a good business model in 2018?

I'm not knocking you. I'm just genuinely curious, because what you're describing works....or at least it used to work.

But, doing ad arbitrage requires start-up capital of at least a few thousand dollars. And there aren't any guarantees that you'll have a profitable campaign right away. So, noobies can easily blow through $2,500 to $5,000 buying native ads on Revcontent or Outbrain, and lose the entire ad budget.

For anyone who doesn't know what we're talking about, just disable your ad blocker, visit ReturnOfKings.com, and click on a native ad from Revcontent. Those internet marketers are typically trying to get you to click on multiple ads, or buy some bullshit product. You might not think that this business model works. But it's actually extremely profitable.

The problem is that any new guy who starts buying paid traffic is going to blow through thousands of dollars before they have a profitable campaign.

...Which is exactly why it's 1000x easier to make a niche site profitable rather than any kind of paid traffic campaign.

[This Is Trouble]

(12-13-2017 01:29 AM)stefpdt Wrote:  

(12-12-2017 11:29 AM)skptc Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 12:22 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 10:09 AM)skptc Wrote:  

This is a terrible business model tbh unless you have a decent chunk of capital and can run content arbitrage on a native network/adsense.

For this to make real money you will need to leverage paid traffic.

Instead of just swatting the thread right down...



...how about recommending a better business model, or a constructive plan for making this one better, then?

Hey I kind of did!

A better model would be churn out viral/mainstream (health/wealth/relationships/celeb etc.) content and monetize with native ads, Adsense + Display.

You can then buy traffic on native platforms such as Revcontent and possibly Facebook (might have to cloak, but thats going down a whole new rabbit hole).

The trick here is having optimized ad placements and coming up with creative angles to get cheap clicks to your page.

From here you could even capture emails, opt-in users to Messenger funnels and Push notifications and monetize further with affiliate offers.

What makes you think that native ad arbitrage is a good business model in 2018?

I'm not knocking you. I'm just genuinely curious, because what you're describing works....or at least it used to work.

But, doing ad arbitrage requires start-up capital of at least a few thousand dollars. And there aren't any guarantees that you'll have a profitable campaign right away. So, noobies can easily blow through $2,500 to $5,000 buying native ads on Revcontent or Outbrain, and lose the entire ad budget.

For anyone who doesn't know what we're talking about, just disable your ad blocker, visit ReturnOfKings.com, and click on a native ad from Revcontent. Those internet marketers are typically trying to get you to click on multiple ads, or buy some bullshit product. You might not think that this business model works. But it's actually extremely profitable.

The problem is that any new guy who starts buying paid traffic is going to blow through thousands of dollars before they have a profitable campaign.

...Which is exactly why it's 1000x easier to make a niche site profitable rather than any kind of paid traffic campaign.

This, 100%.

The claims about needing to use paid traffic for a niche site is totally false.

[stefpdt]

Yeah I've never used paid traffic for any of my niche sites.

The other nice thing about niche sites, which I haven't seen mentioned so far, is that niche sites are an asset that can be sold.

If you check out Empire Flippers, they have niche site listings that sell for a multiple of 25x to 30x.

So if your monthly net profit is $3,500 then you could sell your property for about $100,000 at the high end.

I'm about to start on a new niche site project, and I will be documenting EVERYTHING this time, starting on day one.

Financial records, Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs), content creation templates, etc.

I'm not sure if you mention this in your course, but I can't stress how important it is to run your niche site like a professional online property from day one.

I fucked this up for my first few websites, and it definitely hurt my valuation.

If you do niche sites the right way, you can have a mini-retirement once you exit the game.

[WeekendCasanova]

(12-13-2017 12:49 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  

If you check out Empire Flippers, they have niche site listings that sell for a multiple of 25x to 30x.

They use that multiple for pretty much anything. I sold my dropshipping store for near that.

Also, if you're not using paid traffic for niche sites, you're selling yourself short. I'm not saying you NEED traffic, but it takes you to the next level.

To say otherwise, is silly.

Again, it's not the only tool to use - but it is one in your arsenal, if you have a Facebook page for your niche site, which I do recommend.

[ClintTalks]

(12-13-2017 01:02 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 12:49 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  

If you check out Empire Flippers, they have niche site listings that sell for a multiple of 25x to 30x.

The use that multiple for pretty much anything. I sold my dropshipping store for near that.

Also, if you're not using paid traffic for niche sites, you're selling yourself short. I'm not saying you NEED traffic, but it takes you to the next level.

To say otherwise, is silly.

Again, it's not the only tool to use - but it is one in your arsenal, if you have a Facebook page for your niche site, which I do recommend.

I've never tried using paid traffic for my niche site, though I do have a facebook pixel on it which shouldn't make it too hard.

Where would you drive the traffic?

[stefpdt]

(12-13-2017 01:02 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 12:49 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  

If you check out Empire Flippers, they have niche site listings that sell for a multiple of 25x to 30x.

The use that multiple for pretty much anything. I sold my dropshipping store for near that.

Also, if you're not using paid traffic for niche sites, you're selling yourself short. I'm not saying you NEED traffic, but it takes you to the next level.

To say otherwise, is silly.

Again, it's not the only tool to use - but it is one in your arsenal, if you have a Facebook page for your niche site, which I do recommend.

I agree with you.

I actually enjoy paid traffic, and think it's really fun. I used to run paid traffic for native ad arbitrage campaigns.

But like you said, it isn't always necessary for niche sites, so I haven't really bothered with it.

This also depends heavily on what you're promoting with your niche site.

For example, if you're promoting products from Amazon Associates, then it will be really difficult to turn a paid traffic campaign profitable. The commissions are too low.

If you're promoting private label products, then running paid traffic to your niche site would make perfect sense.

[This Is Trouble]

It’s very difficult to track the pixel when you don’t have control of the shopping cart. It’s more doing it but I feel, by adding sub IDs to your affiliate links in seeing what converts.

I’ve tried making separate landing pages for affiliate products on each state it’s very difficult to track the pixel when you don’t have control of the shopping cart. It’s more doing it by “feel”, by adding sub IDs to your affiliate links, seeing what converts.

I’ve tried making separate landing pages for affiliate products on niche sites, but they haven’t been successful. Perhaps a strategy that could work is just sending people to your posts that have shown interest in that content.

Then you present the solution.

[nomadbrah]

Paid traffic -> Stack That Money forum.

[ClintTalks]

(12-17-2017 06:32 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Paid traffic -> Stack That Money forum.

Entire site looks like a funnel.
$99/month as well.

You on it?

[Suits]

(12-17-2017 09:33 PM)ClintTalks Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 06:32 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Paid traffic -> Stack That Money forum.

Entire site looks like a funnel.
$99/month as well.

You on it?

I'm not going to call it a scam. There's no doubt value offered. However, it's clearly a situation where YOU are the customer and THEY are the successful Internet marketer.

Now, if the information available on their forum was so valuable, why is their top choice for making money online selling access to information about how to make money online?

If the information was so great, you'd think that they'd be busy as fuck stacking cash by selling other products. But no. Their best way to maximizing their earnings is to target the most gullible group of people in history....individuals eager/desperate to make easy money.

I don't care how good the data is. I'm never going to pay $99 a month to make someone else's dreams come true in the hope that my dreams can come true too.

That being said, this review is fairly positive about the value offered.

[nomadbrah]

It's good to be prudent about recommendations.

You'll notice I didn't even hyperlink, exactly so there would be no confusing if I had an interest.

Suits, that's not the kind of mentality I expected from you. Would you object to buying a book or a course on programming?

This field of business, paid affiliate marketing is about the most closed off you can find. You're not going to find people sharing any kind of useful info unless you pay for it. Simple as that. You can bumble along and figure everything out on your own or you can get a running start.

It's not just a forum, it has ton of great tutorials and a very active community. I've met these guys on meetups (they do places like Rio, Bangkok etc) and I assure these guys are for real.

I also don't think $100 is more than pocket change in this biz. Most serious guys in affiliate marketing easily spend a grand or more on tools and subscription a month.-

[Suits]

(12-17-2017 10:37 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Suits, that's not the kind of mentality I expected from you. Would you object to buying a book or a course on programming?

It's a different sort of thing.

I tend to find it rather insulting every time someone uses a salesfunnel™ to convince me to hand over my money so that they can teach me how to use a salesfunnel to make money online.

My take-away when I see that is that my first salesfunnel™ project should be to create a salesfunnel™ to sell my salesfunnel™ system to help other people make money online using salesfunnels™.

Because if that's what the "experts" are putting their time into selling....

[MongolianAbroad]

(12-17-2017 10:59 PM)Suits Wrote:  

It's a different sort of thing.

I tend to find it rather insulting every time someone uses a salesfunnel™ to convince me to hand over my money so that they can teach me how to use a salesfunnel to make money online.

My take-away when I see that is that my first salesfunnel™ project should be to create a salesfunnel™ to sell my salesfunnel™ system to help other people make money online using salesfunnels™.

Because if that's what the "experts" are putting their time into selling....

It's not black and white for me, but there's definitely something to be said for this.

That said, ultimately the market will determine whether the content is worth it or not.

[nomadbrah]

(12-17-2017 10:59 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 10:37 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Suits, that's not the kind of mentality I expected from you. Would you object to buying a book or a course on programming?

It's a different sort of thing.

I tend to find it rather insulting every time someone uses a salesfunnel™ to convince me to hand over my money so that they can teach me how to use a salesfunnel to make money online.

My take-away when I see that is that my first salesfunnel™ project should be to create a salesfunnel™ to sell my salesfunnel™ system to help other people make money online using salesfunnels™.

Because if that's what the "experts" are putting their time into selling....

This isn't a site that teaches how to sell to other internet marketers, it's about practical stuff, how to set up tracking, doing creatives, landing pages, split testing, bidding, cashflow management, the practical stuff.

[ClintTalks]

(12-17-2017 11:21 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 10:59 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(12-17-2017 10:37 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

Suits, that's not the kind of mentality I expected from you. Would you object to buying a book or a course on programming?

It's a different sort of thing.

I tend to find it rather insulting every time someone uses a salesfunnel™ to convince me to hand over my money so that they can teach me how to use a salesfunnel to make money online.

My take-away when I see that is that my first salesfunnel™ project should be to create a salesfunnel™ to sell my salesfunnel™ system to help other people make money online using salesfunnels™.

Because if that's what the "experts" are putting their time into selling....

This isn't a site that teaches how to sell to other internet marketers, it's about practical stuff, how to set up tracking, doing creatives, landing pages, split testing, bidding, cashflow management, the practical stuff.

Makes sense. I see that Finch guy from their forum all over the net. This sounds like a mastermind forum with a subscription.

[Suits]

I'm more so referencing a pet-peeve of mine regarding Internet marketers who sell Internet marketing systems than commenting on this specific forum, which I know almost nothing about. If $99 a month gets you access to a guy who has had one success after another and a bunch of other like minded people, it's probably money well spend if you're trying to replicate their success.