[Neophyte]

(10-02-2017 11:55 AM)speculator Wrote:  

58 dead, 515 injured. If we assume 100% accuracy, that's 573 bullets. I am really confused how an ordinary 64-year old guy can carry at least 20 30-round mags or 6 100-round mags in addition to a rifle(s), unload and reload them in such a short period of time, run back to his room, commit suicide, and remain unnoticed while carrying this stuff.

I assume he had at least 1000 rounds on him to accomplish this heinous act. Anything short of machine gun, will make this task practically impossible.

Bullets don't stop at just one body, and "call it a day". Rifle caliber's can pierce more than a single body, and don't forget the whole aspect of this being a crowded area and people trampling each other adding to the injuries.

[TravelerKai]

(10-02-2017 11:56 AM)joost Wrote:  

13 could be from a gang. Not many people make a tattoo on their neck.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13

Unless someone can provide some extrodinary proof, MS-13 is a gang only open to Salvadorians, Hondurans, and Guatemalan people. Usually very young people, because most of them probably are locked up or dead by 40.

That 13 on his neck is not for MS-13. It is for some other reason, probably occult related.

[911]

Hang in there Kaotic! Thoughts and prayers for you and your friends.

[nomadbrah]

(10-02-2017 10:46 AM)oilbreh Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:30 AM)Turnus Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 10:26 AM)oilbreh Wrote:  

How are people so certain it was this old boomer?

They barged into his hotel room and found him dead laying among 10 weapons

That still doesn't convince me. He could have been shot by the real attackers. Im going to wait on this until there is undoctored footage of him lugging the suitcases of ammo to his room.

That's a good point.

[Brahman]

he was shooting from the 30th floor of his hotel window. He wasn't running around at all

[Vacancier Permanent]

I'm speechless to read about this horrific event from the other side of the world! My heart, thoughts and prayers go to all those innocent victims of this tragedy.

I am very sorry to hear about your friend Kaotic!

[zigZag]

@Kaotic Hoping for the best.

Based on the news i'm watching now it honestly doesn't seem like any tinfoil hat, reptile conspiracy... This guy had recently been unemployed and gambling.

My guess is that he's just an angry and depressed guy who wanted to go out and take as many people with him. That's my opinion based on current info but they are looking into everything so i think by the end of the week we'll all be clear of what happened and why.

[SlickyBoy]

(10-02-2017 11:55 AM)speculator Wrote:  

58 dead, 515 injured. If we assume 100% accuracy, that's 573 bullets. I am really confused how an ordinary 64-year old guy can carry at least 20 30-round mags or 6 100-round mags in addition to multiple rifles, unload and reload them in such a short period of time, open the sealed window in his room, commit suicide, and remain unnoticed while carrying this stuff.

I assume he had at least 2000 rounds on him to accomplish this heinous act. Anything short of machine gun, will make this task practically impossible.

A 500 round cardboard case of 5.56 weighs about 35 pounds. Put that into a suitcase or two and it's not impossible, especially with a luggage cart. Empty magazines stuffed into another bag, rifles disassembled into others, wrapped in clothes or blankets, and he might have even had the bellhop bring it all up for him.

He would still have to take the time to load all those mags, making it an even more deliberate and planned attack.

Based on his dad's psychiatric condition, I'm betting dollars to donuts he's got a similar condition that went undiagnosed or diagnosed and untreated.

BTW, anyone else noticed how the left skipped right past the "thoughts and prayers; unity; end the hate, etc." and skipped right to arguing for gun control? They aren't complaining about who he targeted one bit, and I think secretly enjoying this as a welcome distraction to the regular and routine ideologically based attackers everywhere.

Kaotic, that really sucks - indescribably horrible. I have to wonder how many other forum readers may know someone who was there (I do, but my buddy got out safe).

[speculator]

(10-02-2017 12:02 PM)Neophyte Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 11:55 AM)speculator Wrote:  

58 dead, 515 injured. If we assume 100% accuracy, that's 573 bullets. I am really confused how an ordinary 64-year old guy can carry at least 20 30-round mags or 6 100-round mags in addition to a rifle(s), unload and reload them in such a short period of time, run back to his room, commit suicide, and remain unnoticed while carrying this stuff.

I assume he had at least 1000 rounds on him to accomplish this heinous act. Anything short of machine gun, will make this task practically impossible.

Bullets don't stop at just one body, and "call it a day". Rifle caliber's can pierce more than a single body, and don't forget the whole aspect of this being a crowded area and people trampling each other adding to the injuries.

His window was 400 yards away from the stage. Don't tell me that some random guy with no special military training can be so accurate. The deadly force of 5.56 NATO bullets is practically nonexistent on such a distance. 7.62s can be deadly but I don't think that you can just randomly hit so many targets in such a short period of time.

[Roosh]

(10-02-2017 11:55 AM)speculator Wrote:  

58 dead, 515 injured. If we assume 100% accuracy, that's 573 bullets. I am really confused how an ordinary 64-year old guy can carry at least 20 30-round mags or 6 100-round mags in addition to multiple rifles, unload and reload them in such a short period of time, open the sealed window in his room, commit suicide, and remain unnoticed while carrying this stuff.

I assume he had at least 2000 rounds on him to accomplish this heinous act. Anything short of machine gun, will make this task practically impossible.

There are many logistical questions with getting a massive arsenal in a hotel room, but you definitely don't have to be Rambo to score a high hit ratio when shooting into a crowd of tens of thousands.

[Disco_Volante]

His facebook page is riddled with leftist anti-Trump shit.

I don't think it's sunk in to most white conservatives that they are marked for extermination. Politicians like Scalise, normal guys holding a rally, even with a permit globalists will bus in people to attack you. The already disproportionate interracial violence against whites. Government agencies working round the clock to bring in foreigners into your community (even with Trump in office). Your favorite sports team telling you your society is oppressive, etc...

Even better, when leftists shoot at you politicians will use that as leverage to take away YOUR guns.

[zigZag]

(10-02-2017 12:16 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 11:55 AM)speculator Wrote:  

58 dead, 515 injured. If we assume 100% accuracy, that's 573 bullets. I am really confused how an ordinary 64-year old guy can carry at least 20 30-round mags or 6 100-round mags in addition to multiple rifles, unload and reload them in such a short period of time, open the sealed window in his room, commit suicide, and remain unnoticed while carrying this stuff.

I assume he had at least 2000 rounds on him to accomplish this heinous act. Anything short of machine gun, will make this task practically impossible.

There are many logistical questions with getting a massive arsenal in a hotel room, but you definitely don't have to be Rambo to score a high hit ratio when shooting into a crowd of tens of thousands.

To add to this it seemed like most people just stood there in the same place despite the sound of bullets ricocheting near them. They are easy targets unfortunately and there were about 30,000 of them to aim at.

EDIT: On the news they already started with the "we need more gun control" narrative.

[SlickyBoy]

(10-02-2017 12:20 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

His facebook page is riddled with leftist anti-Trump shit.

Link to story? Didn't see that anywhere - though it wouldn't surprise me.

[DamienCasanova]

So why does a retired former Internal Auditor for Lockheed Martin decide to go on a suicide mission? Why would someone who has a pilot's license and owns 2 planes not use his planes to suicide bomb the crowd, but instead use gunfire from a hotel? An IA at Lockheed Martin sounds like a deep cover operative to me, activated here to do a very particular mission. I'm not so sure about the ISIS talk, sounds more like Deep State Strikes Back.

Fox also reported that the automatic rifles used were not semiautomatic conversions but were direct manufactured as automatic weapons. Sounds very "Spook"y to me.

[dain_bramage]

This is horrible. I just found out about 20 minutes ago. I feel horriblefor you Kaotic. That's insane. I hope your friend is ok.

This really pisses me off. People just wanting to have some fun get mowed down by a guy. Its despicable and horrifying. I am glad I don't live near any major fesitivals or tourist traps. There's small ones in my town not too far away but I live in a neighborhood that is not much of a target.

This plays into the idea of white men shoot people dead too, terrorism has no religion, gun control now.

What I am thinking is that the tourism industry for Vegas will be non existent now. I don't think any toursits want to be in a place where they think they may get shot dead.

[rotekz]

The brother is shifty as fuck. He knows something.

[/url]

[url=https://twitter.com/USNJack/status/914896561670377473]

[Roosh]

(10-02-2017 12:20 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

His facebook page is riddled with leftist anti-Trump shit.

I don't think it's sunk in to most white conservatives that they are marked for extermination. Politicians like Scalise, normal guys holding a rally, even with a permit globalists will bus in people to attack you. The already disproportionate interracial violence against whites. Government agencies working round the clock to bring in foreigners into your community (even with Trump in office). Your favorite sports team telling you your society is oppressive, etc...

Even better, when leftists shoot at you politicians will use that as leverage to take away YOUR guns.

This is the second post I've seen of yours where you are sharing information without posting a link.

[TravelerKai]

(10-02-2017 12:15 PM)speculator Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 12:02 PM)Neophyte Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 11:55 AM)speculator Wrote:  

58 dead, 515 injured. If we assume 100% accuracy, that's 573 bullets. I am really confused how an ordinary 64-year old guy can carry at least 20 30-round mags or 6 100-round mags in addition to a rifle(s), unload and reload them in such a short period of time, run back to his room, commit suicide, and remain unnoticed while carrying this stuff.

I assume he had at least 1000 rounds on him to accomplish this heinous act. Anything short of machine gun, will make this task practically impossible.

Bullets don't stop at just one body, and "call it a day". Rifle caliber's can pierce more than a single body, and don't forget the whole aspect of this being a crowded area and people trampling each other adding to the injuries.

His window was 400 yards away from the stage. Don't tell me that some random guy with no special military training can be so accurate. The deadly force of 5.56 NATO bullets is practically nonexistent on such a distance. 7.62s can be deadly but I don't think that you can just randomly hit so many targets in such a short period of time.

This is incorrect when you factor in that he was shooting from a very elevated position. If he was at ground level, then your fact is closer to being correct.

A few points:

1. If we just take it that this guy was mentally ill, how did he come up with this plan? Who or what gave him the idea? Especially since his brothers and others claim he was not a gun fanatic? How did he get up to speed so quickly? Not calling him dumb and incapable of figuring out an effective means to kill, but most mentally ill tend not to plan that well.

2. His father being a bank robber and deemed "Psychotic" by the FBI, may hint towards ASPD ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial...y_disorder ) running in his family. That is the only mental illness really capable of well thought out murders, although most killers with ASPD tend to be serial killers with extreme fetishes commonplace.

3. ISIS and other Islamic fighters have been commonly known to attack like this from high building windows. If you talk to Fallujah and Basra veterans, attacks like this were pretty common aside from IEDs and standard ambushes/mortar attacks. Could he have gotten the ideas from them? Just because he put nothing about Islam on his Facebook does not mean, he did not convert. They have been getting sneakier about putting Islamic stuff on social media these days. The NSA and FBI insta-flags various stuff if you like, subscribe, or follow various channels or people. He may have wanted to take action quickly. Still sketchy all in all, but we cannot eliminate that possibility yet.

[Roosh]

(10-02-2017 12:33 PM)rotekz Wrote:  

The brother is shifty as fuck. He knows something.

[/url]

[url=https://twitter.com/USNJack/status/914896561670377473]

I've seen this woman's videos before. Take it with a huge grain of salt. Her analysis is one step above astrology.

[Atlanta Man]

ISIS had jack shit to do with this, I jerked off last night and ISIS took credit. More likely he was just a loser and aware that life had passed him by, had a terminal condition (cancer), or just mentally unstable.

[kaotic]

Thanks for the love guys, still no update on my buddy.

Here's some other new - take from it what you will:

But this is a source literally on the ground in the middle of the shooting and what he witnessed:

"It's a cluster fuck, don't believe what's going around. There was more than 1 shooter"

-I asked about AR's and a bump kit (helps shoot faster) and the pause between bursts.

"He only had 2 ar's a few AK's and something else. There was a shooter on both sides of concert as well, I know what I heard and saw.

"People were getting hit right next to us and all aroudn, when we got back to our room I got my gun and we moved everyone over to my buddies room"

"We swept the whole casino with armed security me and X (friend) with both our guns out. That's how bad it was"



At this point I believe my buddy more than I believe the media, I'm still hopeful for my friend being alive.

I don't know about the shooter - all the information is like drinking from a firehose.


I'll keep you guys updated.


EDIT: Please keep in mind this is speculation and sometimes witness testimony is unreliable.

I know we don't trust alot of things nowadays, but when it becomes super personal like now - I can only wait and see how this all pans out.

[speculator]

(10-02-2017 12:16 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 11:55 AM)speculator Wrote:  

58 dead, 515 injured. If we assume 100% accuracy, that's 573 bullets. I am really confused how an ordinary 64-year old guy can carry at least 20 30-round mags or 6 100-round mags in addition to multiple rifles, unload and reload them in such a short period of time, open the sealed window in his room, commit suicide, and remain unnoticed while carrying this stuff.

I assume he had at least 2000 rounds on him to accomplish this heinous act. Anything short of machine gun, will make this task practically impossible.

There are many logistical questions with getting a massive arsenal in a hotel room, but you definitely don't have to be Rambo to score a high hit ratio when shooting into a crowd of tens of thousands.

Roosh I agree with you on the feasibility of logistics but I have a problem with his shooting accuracy. The stage is 400 yards away from the hotel and his room was on the 32nd floor/or 110 yards above the ground level. His actual distance from the stage was about 415 yards. The main crowd was 450 yards away from his window. I know very few guys with military training that can shoot targets with such accuracy in such a short period of time. Plus, the majority of calibers are not deadly on such a range.

The 3D graph of the place

[Roosh]

(10-02-2017 12:39 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

-I asked about AR's and a bump kit (helps shoot faster) and the pause between bursts.

"He only had 2 ar's a few AK's and something else. There was a shooter on both sides of concert as well, I know what I heard and saw.

How about a gat modification:

[MajorStyles]

(10-02-2017 10:04 AM)Turnus Wrote:  

Serious. This is her first thought?

[url=https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/914853632083877888][/url]

Who is she again?

[rotekz]

(10-02-2017 12:38 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I've seen this woman's videos before. Take it with a huge grain of salt. Her analysis is one step above astrology.

For sure I'll always keep a degree of skepticism but this video was pretty convincing and FWIW Scott Adams who I do believe is very perceptive in these matters says:

[url=https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/914900558191853570][/url]