[WeekendCasanova]

Link - https://www.rt.com/news/404683-hungary-o...education/

Can a country not prioritize their own language?

Quote:

Hungary has pledged to obstruct Ukraine’s EU integration at every step after Kiev adopted a new education law which bans teaching children in any language other than Ukrainian. Ukraine’s neighbors call it a form of persecution of minorities.

“Hungary will block all steps within the European Union that would represent a step forward in Ukraine’s European integration process in the spirit of the Eastern Partnership program,” Hungarian Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade Péter Szijjártó said in a statement on Tuesday.

The statement came after Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko signed into law a controversial bill which in essence bans state schools in Ukraine from teaching children in any language other than Ukrainian.

[911]

They can say goodbye to the eastern half of the country then...

[Matt Forney]

Blocking Ukraine's integration into the E.U. is redundant.

The E.U. will never let Ukraine join. Not after weak economies like Greece and Italy have imploded left and right and nearly tanked the entire project. Not when Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in Europe and their citizens are eager to flood the labor markets in France, Germany and other rich countries, driving wages down further. Not when the migrant crisis is already straining the E.U. to its limits.

Ukraine was never anything more than a pawn to the E.U., a way of weakening Russia, and if the Ukrainian government keeps doing shit like this, they're going to find that out the hard way.

[BelyyTigr]

RUSSIAN is a majority language. As much, or more than that glorified dialect that masquerades as "Ukrainian". To try and "ban" proper Russian is like trying to ban English in Los Angeles.

SOURCE:myself. Family from Kiev and the Western Ukrainian area.

All the NeoCons of Washington want to do is ruin the Ukraine. Because eventually it will fall back in with Russia (or atleast most of it). These Russophobic stunts only cause shit for a while and come back to bite the Lvov Nazi brigade on the arse.

Corrupt idiots like Poroshenko, Klitschko, Tymoshenko and the like are keen to promote "Ukrainian". Only problem is... they don't even speak it as their "own language".

An eg
http://www.newsweek.com/russian-media-ac...ffe-416166

[BelyyTigr]

Additionally, multiple languages is a fundamental of what the Ukrainian area was formed as.
If people didn't want to accept multiple languages, they shouldn't have accepted the lands with large numbers of Hungarians, Romanians etc in the first place.

In international law terms, the only reason the Ukraine exists is due to that corrupt, vodka soaked imbecile Yeltsin. The basis of law surrounding the whole thing is debateable at best. Its much as if New Mexico suddenly declared itself a Spanish speaking state. The Ukraine has been part of Russia for about 1100 years.

[fokker]

^ I also heard that back in April, Oleg Skripka of the popular Ukrainian rock band Vopli Vidopliassova said he wanted to send Russian-speakers to ghettoes. His VV bandmates are also on record as supporting the Azov Battalion.

Ironically enough, many of VV's first songs are in Russian.

[WeekendCasanova]

(09-27-2017 03:32 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

Additionally, multiple languages is a fundamental of what the Ukrainian area was formed as.
If people didn't want to accept multiple languages, they shouldn't have accepted the lands with large numbers of Hungarians, Romanians etc in the first place.

In international law terms, the only reason the Ukraine exists is due to that corrupt, vodka soaked imbecile Yeltsin. The basis of law surrounding the whole thing is debateable at best. Its much as if New Mexico suddenly declared itself a Spanish speaking state. The Ukraine has been part of Russia for about 1100 years.

This just isn't true though. Ukraine came first; this is indisputable.

However, I should have mentioned in the original post; if you live near Russia, and the east, you can still learn in minority languages; it's mostly the central Ukraine that will largely be affected.

[WeekendCasanova]

(09-27-2017 03:08 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

RUSSIAN is a majority language. As much, or more than that glorified dialect that masquerades as "Ukrainian". To try and "ban" proper Russian is like trying to ban English in Los Angeles.

SOURCE:myself. Family from Kiev and the Western Ukrainian area.

In Western Ukraine, 99% of the people don't speak Russian. I've spent a long time in the West; Ukraine is #1 and it's not even close.

In Central Ukraine, Russian is probably on par with Ukrainian, or a bit above it in terms of usage.

The East? Russian is everywhere.

[YoungBlade]

(09-27-2017 05:42 AM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 03:32 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

Additionally, multiple languages is a fundamental of what the Ukrainian area was formed as.
If people didn't want to accept multiple languages, they shouldn't have accepted the lands with large numbers of Hungarians, Romanians etc in the first place.

In international law terms, the only reason the Ukraine exists is due to that corrupt, vodka soaked imbecile Yeltsin. The basis of law surrounding the whole thing is debateable at best. Its much as if New Mexico suddenly declared itself a Spanish speaking state. The Ukraine has been part of Russia for about 1100 years.

This just isn't true though. Ukraine came first; this is indisputable.

However, I should have mentioned in the original post; if you live near Russia, and the east, you can still learn in minority languages; it's mostly the central Ukraine that will largely be affected.

Disputed. Ukraine was Russian, then the cossack soldiers posted there switched sides to Poland, lost, and panicked trying to think of how to spin it.

"Oh, we weren't traitors, we were freedom fighters."

Also, how the hell can a country named "borderland" be considered the original of anything? It's gotta be somebody else's border.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Russo-Poli...2%80%9367)

[ivansirko]

(09-27-2017 06:02 AM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 05:42 AM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 03:32 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

Additionally, multiple languages is a fundamental of what the Ukrainian area was formed as.
If people didn't want to accept multiple languages, they shouldn't have accepted the lands with large numbers of Hungarians, Romanians etc in the first place.

In international law terms, the only reason the Ukraine exists is due to that corrupt, vodka soaked imbecile Yeltsin. The basis of law surrounding the whole thing is debateable at best. Its much as if New Mexico suddenly declared itself a Spanish speaking state. The Ukraine has been part of Russia for about 1100 years.

This just isn't true though. Ukraine came first; this is indisputable.

However, I should have mentioned in the original post; if you live near Russia, and the east, you can still learn in minority languages; it's mostly the central Ukraine that will largely be affected.

Disputed. Ukraine was Russian, then the cossack soldiers posted there switched sides to Poland, lost, and panicked trying to think of how to spin it.

"Oh, we weren't traitors, we were freedom fighters."

Also, how the hell can a country named "borderland" be considered the original of anything? It's gotta be somebody else's border.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Russo-Poli...2%80%9367)

My understanding is Ukrainian is closer to Polish. Historically the lands where Ukrainian is spoken as a majority were owned by Poland for hundreds of years. But I dont know any of the languages...so....

Laws like this are only designed for one purpose.. to split a country in half.

[BelyyTigr]

(09-27-2017 05:42 AM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 03:32 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

Additionally, multiple languages is a fundamental of what the Ukrainian area was formed as.
If people didn't want to accept multiple languages, they shouldn't have accepted the lands with large numbers of Hungarians, Romanians etc in the first place.

In international law terms, the only reason the Ukraine exists is due to that corrupt, vodka soaked imbecile Yeltsin. The basis of law surrounding the whole thing is debateable at best. Its much as if New Mexico suddenly declared itself a Spanish speaking state. The Ukraine has been part of Russia for about 1100 years.

This just isn't true though. Ukraine came first; this is indisputable.

However, I should have mentioned in the original post; if you live near Russia, and the east, you can still learn in minority languages; it's mostly the central Ukraine that will largely be affected.

It was called the Kievan RUS. There was nothing "Ukrainian" about it. It was the area of whats now Western Russia. The capital moved from Kiev to Moscow after the Mongol occupation, because Moscow was freed earlier. The Ukraine is just the "border area", created in 1991 due to Yeltsin's corruption. With attempts at a state at other times eg during the Russian civil war and during the Nazi invasion. Really, the Ukraine never even had valid permission to be a separate state outside of the CIS, which was to be a replacement for the USSR.

Its just a junta with (fading) NeoCon Western backing looking to create instability, bloodshed and strife.
If they don't want multiple languages then the Lvov area should ask to federalise itself. Multiethnicity was its condition of self govt from the USSR.

(09-27-2017 05:45 AM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 03:08 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

RUSSIAN is a majority language. As much, or more than that glorified dialect that masquerades as "Ukrainian". To try and "ban" proper Russian is like trying to ban English in Los Angeles.

SOURCE:myself. Family from Kiev and the Western Ukrainian area.

In Western Ukraine, 99% of the people don't speak Russian. I've spent a long time in the West; Ukraine is #1 and it's not even close.

In Central Ukraine, Russian is probably on par with Ukrainian, or a bit above it in terms of usage.

The East? Russian is everywhere.

In the West a majority do currently speak Ukrainian but not as high as 99%. But there are areas of other languages and dialects. But if the Lvov Nazis hadn't murdered so many of the other groups in the Great Patriotic War, they wouldn't have had such numbers today.

(09-27-2017 06:54 AM)ivansirko Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 06:02 AM)YoungBlade Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 05:42 AM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 03:32 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

Additionally, multiple languages is a fundamental of what the Ukrainian area was formed as.
If people didn't want to accept multiple languages, they shouldn't have accepted the lands with large numbers of Hungarians, Romanians etc in the first place.

In international law terms, the only reason the Ukraine exists is due to that corrupt, vodka soaked imbecile Yeltsin. The basis of law surrounding the whole thing is debateable at best. Its much as if New Mexico suddenly declared itself a Spanish speaking state. The Ukraine has been part of Russia for about 1100 years.

This just isn't true though. Ukraine came first; this is indisputable.

However, I should have mentioned in the original post; if you live near Russia, and the east, you can still learn in minority languages; it's mostly the central Ukraine that will largely be affected.

Disputed. Ukraine was Russian, then the cossack soldiers posted there switched sides to Poland, lost, and panicked trying to think of how to spin it.

"Oh, we weren't traitors, we were freedom fighters."

Also, how the hell can a country named "borderland" be considered the original of anything? It's gotta be somebody else's border.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Russo-Poli...2%80%9367)

My understanding is Ukrainian is closer to Polish. Historically the lands where Ukrainian is spoken as a majority were owned by Poland for hundreds of years. But I dont know any of the languages...so....

Laws like this are only designed for one purpose.. to split a country in half.

Yes the Ukraine IS someone else's border. In historical terms. And in terms of international laws.
Otherwise, America might as well kiss goodbye to much of the Southern USA at some point... atleast in conceptual/international law terms.

Borders have been fluid and there are some unholy alliances going on. Certain Poles support the Ukrainian Nazis, but hate them at the same time. Some of the Ukraine has been Polish historically. And some of Poland has been Russian. In the same way, some Mexicans claim significant parts of the USA.

All stooges like Porkochenko are doing is lining their own pockets. Poverty might make places a good pussy paradise, but its fucking up the Ukrainian area immensely in other ways.

[Fortis]

Not sure what the point of this is. Seems arbitrary in the extreme.

[BelyyTigr]

(09-27-2017 05:42 AM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 03:32 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

Additionally, multiple languages is a fundamental of what the Ukrainian area was formed as.
If people didn't want to accept multiple languages, they shouldn't have accepted the lands with large numbers of Hungarians, Romanians etc in the first place.

In international law terms, the only reason the Ukraine exists is due to that corrupt, vodka soaked imbecile Yeltsin. The basis of law surrounding the whole thing is debateable at best. Its much as if New Mexico suddenly declared itself a Spanish speaking state. The Ukraine has been part of Russia for about 1100 years.

This just isn't true though. Ukraine came first; this is indisputable.

However, I should have mentioned in the original post; if you live near Russia, and the east, you can still learn in minority languages; it's mostly the central Ukraine that will largely be affected.

Furthermore, how could the Ukraine have possibly existed before Russia if it has only been spoken about since 1991? The far western fringes may have been under different jurisdictions over the years. But the Central one thirds area including Kiev, and the Eastern area have been Russian from the year dot. The Ukraine was only created as a region of the USSR. Before then, it simply didn't exist. Even the Ukrainian dialect was only even properly heard of about 900 years AFTER the Kievan Rus was formed. And that is basically synthesised from Russian mixed with some Polish/German/Lithuanian invaders language.

You've only got to look at the map of early Russia ie the Kievan Rus to see that it was clearly Russia (just without the enlargement into Asia). And not a single historian in the whole world claims that the Kievan Rus was anything other than Russia culturally and linguistically.

[Gótico]

Chocolate Man can do as he pleases, but Transcarpathia is Hungarian.