I met many girls in SEA who had older farang guys. They all basically gave the same reason. That the younger dudes (both farang and locals) are players. So at least with the old guy they get something financial out of it and can kind of save face too because they get a much better lifestyle. It's not exactly P4P. They essentially become sponsored girls.
Thailand: A good country for older men.
Quote: (09-19-2017 08:41 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:
I met many girls in SEA ... with the old guy they get something financial out of it and can kind of save face too because they get a much better lifestyle.
Neat summary from Travel Museums.
And fits exactly with what I've observed here, too.
And the old guy gets ...
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It's an even exchange.. the lower/middle class for the older, unattractive dudes
But it's not even for the western dudes with stature and game. Which is why I needed the classy ones to make it worth my while to come back to SEA again, or to get older and wither in game
But it's not even for the western dudes with stature and game. Which is why I needed the classy ones to make it worth my while to come back to SEA again, or to get older and wither in game
So what kind of game do you personally give these girls? And what kind of quality are you getting?
How long does the sweet talking and courtship take? A few months working on her to get your bang?
I remember running into a couple older guys from places like Turkey and Russia at guesthouses and clubs. They'd get into quick mini-relationships in every place they went in SEA. Spend a few days to a week with a girl.
Said all they needed to do was take them for meals, pay for cabs, some shopping. But I saw some of their girls and they were no prize. They were usually beat up, post wall, post partum types. It was a bit depressing all around to witness the transaction.
So if a 40+ guy wants a girl who's an 8+ in looks what kind of investment is she expecting? I know some of these Thai girls are getting houses and cars. Then shutting the dudes out. How do you avoid that?
Is an under 30 8+ something an older guy can expect to get in Thailand without providing that kind of luxury? Or do you string them along?
How long does the sweet talking and courtship take? A few months working on her to get your bang?
I remember running into a couple older guys from places like Turkey and Russia at guesthouses and clubs. They'd get into quick mini-relationships in every place they went in SEA. Spend a few days to a week with a girl.
Said all they needed to do was take them for meals, pay for cabs, some shopping. But I saw some of their girls and they were no prize. They were usually beat up, post wall, post partum types. It was a bit depressing all around to witness the transaction.
So if a 40+ guy wants a girl who's an 8+ in looks what kind of investment is she expecting? I know some of these Thai girls are getting houses and cars. Then shutting the dudes out. How do you avoid that?
Is an under 30 8+ something an older guy can expect to get in Thailand without providing that kind of luxury? Or do you string them along?
Quote: (09-20-2017 01:02 AM)Travel Museums Wrote:
So what kind of game do you personally give these girls? And what kind of quality are you getting?
How long does the sweet talking and courtship take? A few months working on her to get your bang?
I remember running into a couple older guys from places like Turkey and Russia at guesthouses and clubs. They'd get into quick mini-relationships in every place they went in SEA. Spend a few days to a week with a girl.
Said all they needed to do was take them for meals, pay for cabs, some shopping. But I saw some of their girls and they were no prize. They were usually beat up, post wall, post partum types. It was a bit depressing all around to witness the transaction.
So if a 40+ guy wants a girl who's an 8+ in looks what kind of investment is she expecting? I know some of these Thai girls are getting houses and cars. Then shutting the dudes out. How do you avoid that?
Is an under 30 8+ something an older guy can expect to get in Thailand without providing that kind of luxury? Or do you string them along?
I have been in Thailand, mostly in the north in Chiang Mai for combined 2 years. First and foremost, it is very hard to find a Thai girl who is in the 8s range. I find that the few 8s tend to be found in hi-so Thai society which means your regular 40+ dude is out of the runnings to game them (assuming he is chasing an 8+ under 30).
And secondly, in all of my time there, I have NEVER seen a regular 40+ guy who was with a Thai 8. When I do see the older/younger girl combo, the girl is almost always a garden variety 5/6...albeit a skinny one.
So we are talking about 5-6s? Christ. Ah shit. So worthless basically. Damn. Not gonna retire there for that... Even if it was same night banging.
I went through Chiang Rai and I was straight up shocked at the Bar Street. It looked like a farang nursing home. All the Thai girls there looked 40+ themselves...
Has anyone ever seen a 40+ foreigner with an under 30 8+ Thai woman?? I've seen them in BKK, but it was P4P stuff in bar clubs. And most of the girls weren't like a solid 8. More like a super slutty slim little dolled up 7 you know is on the cock carousel.
So you don't have any personal experience yourself with younger Thai women? How about the OP?
How about the shame thing? Guys were saying the younger girls in Thailand have ashamed looks on their faces with old guys. Vs EE/FSU where girls are just normal about it?
I went through Chiang Rai and I was straight up shocked at the Bar Street. It looked like a farang nursing home. All the Thai girls there looked 40+ themselves...
Has anyone ever seen a 40+ foreigner with an under 30 8+ Thai woman?? I've seen them in BKK, but it was P4P stuff in bar clubs. And most of the girls weren't like a solid 8. More like a super slutty slim little dolled up 7 you know is on the cock carousel.
So you don't have any personal experience yourself with younger Thai women? How about the OP?
How about the shame thing? Guys were saying the younger girls in Thailand have ashamed looks on their faces with old guys. Vs EE/FSU where girls are just normal about it?
Quote: (09-20-2017 03:28 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:
So we are talking about 5-6s? Christ. Ah shit. So worthless basically. Damn. Not gonna retire there for that... Even if it was same night banging.
I went through Chiang Rai and I was straight up shocked at the Bar Street. It looked like a farang nursing home. All the Thai girls there looked 40+ themselves...
Has anyone ever seen a 40+ foreigner with an under 30 8+ Thai woman?? I've seen them in BKK, but it was P4P stuff in bar clubs. And most of the girls weren't like a solid 8. More like a super slutty slim little dolled up 7 you know is on the cock carousel.
So you don't have any personal experience yourself with younger Thai women? How about the OP?
How about the shame thing? Guys were saying the younger girls in Thailand have ashamed looks on their faces with old guys. Vs EE/FSU where girls are just normal about it?
Any 8+ in SEA has tons of local guys chasing her, as evidenced by my experience with an 8 in Jakarta. Messages hitting every minute, continuous ding ding ding. Blame whatsapp / line / tinder but the internet revolution has hit Thailand and other SEA countries in full force. Heck even in Taiwan a 7/7.5 had messages hitting her phone every couple minutes.
Compare to a local 6, maybe she gets a few messages an hour, and a 5 who gets maybe a couple in a day.
What makes YOU her #1 compared to some Thai upper middle class guy, or some balling farang staying at the St. Regis?
If she just wanted to have a fling, she'll choose some 20's farang visiting, or some good looking EA / local guy.
I've resigned to the fact that any true 7.5+ probably won't stick it out for a long term fuck buddy situation unless they're benefiting in some other way. Thus I always aim for the pump and dump.
Any guy over 40+ needs to confront the realities of their lower perceived SMV, especially now when girls have much more options. The sole exception being perhaps the EEUU or you're in the top 10% in terms of wealth, or you're deling with niche girls who have daddy isssues / like older men.
Quote: (09-21-2017 01:26 AM)Putin Closes Wrote:
Any guy over 40+ needs to confront the realities of their lower perceived SMV, especially now when girls have much more options. The sole exception being perhaps the EEUU or you're in the top 10% in terms of wealth...
Guess what? If you move to Thailand you immediately move into the top 10% of wealth if you have any serious income at all. And you're making it sound like EE girls "love you for your soul" instead or something.
Yes, beaten down old simps and chumps end up with a skinny sixes...just being skinny make them sevens and eights in America.
What are they getting in their own countries? NOTHING! Or a fat Two. They're literally doing 3 times better.
If you see some fat pasty guy in cargo shorts walking around with black socks halfway up to his knees, an ugly shirt that barely contains his belly and a weak man's look in his eye walking around with a skinny six, ask yourself how much BETTER you are than him with your trim, trained physique, style and confident manner. Because that's how much better you're going to be doing than him.
I am planning a trip to SEA and based on tinder matches in Thailand and even the Philippines are less than the matches in Jakarta. Jesus when I set my location to Jakarta my tinder blew up!
Anybody else see this who have actually travelled in SEA a lot?
Anybody else see this who have actually travelled in SEA a lot?
Quote: (09-21-2017 01:41 PM)sportbilly Wrote:
I am planning a trip to SEA and based on tinder matches in Thailand and even the Philippines are less than the matches in Jakarta. Jesus when I set my location to Jakarta my tinder blew up!
Anybody else see this who have actually travelled in SEA a lot?
Jakarta has been getting a lot of love on a few forum lately. Might be the new PP.
So are any older members actually dating a 7-8+ Thai girl(s)?
Same amount of matches in Thailand vs Jakarta. Average girl way uglier in Jakarta but was matching with hotter girls. But those two cities by far most matches...along with Hong Kong of all places.
Drawbacks include Jakarta being a complete shithole but if you choose your accommodation wisely won't be a problem.
Drawbacks include Jakarta being a complete shithole but if you choose your accommodation wisely won't be a problem.
Lots of matches in Hong Kong...now that surprises me a little. I am testing the water and getting relatively few matches in Bangkok but probably 5 to 10 times more in Jakarta...and with some hot pussy half my age or just over half my age.
Decisions decisions....its a long old way though so am thinking potentially Kiev as a closer cheaper option for an October break
Decisions decisions....its a long old way though so am thinking potentially Kiev as a closer cheaper option for an October break
Keep in mind I'm pretty much in that ideal age range so not 40+ and relatively good looking ea. So probably not gonna replicate results unless same age and similar looks. Probably shouldn't keep posting here but wanted to give a realistic outlook for you fellas.
What kind of girls you matching with? Perhaps we will be Eskimo brothers.
What kind of girls you matching with? Perhaps we will be Eskimo brothers.
Quote: (09-22-2017 05:13 AM)Putin Closes Wrote:
What kind of girls you matching with? Perhaps we will be Eskimo brothers.
It's pretty much a rite of passage here on the forum.
I'm Eskimo brothers with at least two other forum members.
I'm the King of Beijing!
Quote: (09-22-2017 11:11 AM)Suits Wrote:
Quote: (09-22-2017 05:13 AM)Putin Closes Wrote:
What kind of girls you matching with? Perhaps we will be Eskimo brothers.
It's pretty much a rite of passage here on the forum.
I'm Eskimo brothers with at least two other forum members.
If theres two that you know of, theres probably 10x more that you don't. It's to be expected with us goings going to the same places, staying in the same areas, visiting the same bars, using the same methods to meet girls.
Really we need to make anon database, just so we can be on the lookout on which girls might want to wrap it up.
Thailand has gone downhill as somewhere to stay for a western man. The Govt is hostile to anyone wanting to stay a long time, unless.you can score a retirement visa.
It's become expensive. Thai Baht is way over valued. Beer is expensive as is western food. Thai food is full of MSG and sugar.
Too many ladyboys and other freaks.
Thai women are not interesting. Impossible to have much in common if you come from the west.
Too many Chinese tourists who are the loudest and rudest people on the planet.
Too many annoying backpackers. The ones who are begging there are the lowest of the low.
English levels are the worst of any country I have visited, and I have been to many.
Better off looking at Cambodia.
Hope you have good health insurance too.
It's become expensive. Thai Baht is way over valued. Beer is expensive as is western food. Thai food is full of MSG and sugar.
Too many ladyboys and other freaks.
Thai women are not interesting. Impossible to have much in common if you come from the west.
Too many Chinese tourists who are the loudest and rudest people on the planet.
Too many annoying backpackers. The ones who are begging there are the lowest of the low.
English levels are the worst of any country I have visited, and I have been to many.
Better off looking at Cambodia.
Hope you have good health insurance too.
Beer ok Thailand expensive?
Where in the world can you get a beer for 40baht?
Where in the world can you get a beer for 40baht?
In Spain you can buy beer for 20c in a supermarket and €1 in a bar, even in Madrid.
Where in Thailand can you buy 40b beer? Hanging out as a loser outside 7elevens does not count.
Where in Thailand can you buy 40b beer? Hanging out as a loser outside 7elevens does not count.
I'm in Barcelona right now.
Are you Spanish?
Where in Spain can you buy a beer for 20cc?
What brand? What shop? Maybe you can englighten us with this so we can all go there.
I will go to tonight and buy 20 cans actually.
Small Beer at opium which I went to last night is 8 euros. For Bar 2-3 euros in center, 4 euros if a fancy place or sports place. Estrella can is around 1 euro at convinent stores all over the city.
Other prices about Spain. Hostel prices are around 30 euros a night in a 14 dorm room in Barcelona. Weekends are usually full and 20 % extra. Hotels around 120-150 euros a night anywhere close to center. Prices are a lot lower in winter season say December but who wants to go to a cold place?
Why need to hang out 7-11?
Yes they are40baht.
You buy the beer there and go somewhere else, the beach for example.
Are you Spanish?
Where in Spain can you buy a beer for 20cc?
What brand? What shop? Maybe you can englighten us with this so we can all go there.
I will go to tonight and buy 20 cans actually.
Small Beer at opium which I went to last night is 8 euros. For Bar 2-3 euros in center, 4 euros if a fancy place or sports place. Estrella can is around 1 euro at convinent stores all over the city.
Other prices about Spain. Hostel prices are around 30 euros a night in a 14 dorm room in Barcelona. Weekends are usually full and 20 % extra. Hotels around 120-150 euros a night anywhere close to center. Prices are a lot lower in winter season say December but who wants to go to a cold place?
Why need to hang out 7-11?
Yes they are40baht.
You buy the beer there and go somewhere else, the beach for example.
The OP said the bhat is "strong against the dollar?" Not really - check the currency charts for the past ten years as it's about where it was back then, though it's been all over the place in between. If anyone is finding it more expensive nowadays it's not because of exchange rates, it's because of an improvement in the standard of living and other global economic factors, generally.
I've been to Thailand several times, once on a military training exercise in the early 2000s. First thing I noticed in the tourist trap city of Pattaya was how utterly average most of the women were - rarely anything approaching an 8 and one major red flag the OP forgot to warn everyone about - trannies!
Forget the adams apple test - they either don't have much of one or they have it removed. The only sure fire way to protect yourself is to be extra cautious when dealing with any woman who is just a little too taller than the average Thai girl. And watch for the size of their hands & heads too bigger is a bad sign. Then again if you avoid social petri dishes like Pattya, your odds of running into a tranny are greatly reduced.
If the OP is able to live a regular retired lifestyle over there without coming across as some degenerate whoremonger and actually has some regular Thai natives as friends, good for him. The majority of people in his age and ethic group are obvious, loutish and kinda pathetic. As someone pointed out, they wind up with 6s for a good reason - they're lucky to even have that! Back home in Australia, UK or Germany they'd be jacking off into a sock and - if they've got anything left at the end of their monthly pension disbursement/government handout, paying too much for an occasional quickie from some used up 35 year old EE whore down by the train station.
I hear the Thais have gotten stricter about visas and are less kind to foreigners, but that it's also only influencing the kind of loser farangs that add little value to the economy in the first place. I'd be interested to know of older guys who retire over there and pick up a side gig making some extra money - whatever it might be. Teaching English (or perhaps teaching something else at a University), using IT skills, mechanical work, running a small shop, doing some kind of engineering or other training they've had before, etc. These are ways to not only earn money while there (even if part time) but also to greatly increase your status and your chances of scoring someone aside from the illiterate village girls sent to Bangkok from the northeast provinces.
Remember too, no matter how much money you might save, without a social or work network to assist you in knowing the ropes, helping others and being helped when you need it, going over there cold in old age will be like starting from square one all over again just like the new kid in your freshman high school class. The difference is he's got time to build all of that - not the same picture for someone arriving as the new kid at 61 years old. Plan accordingly.
I've been to Thailand several times, once on a military training exercise in the early 2000s. First thing I noticed in the tourist trap city of Pattaya was how utterly average most of the women were - rarely anything approaching an 8 and one major red flag the OP forgot to warn everyone about - trannies!
Forget the adams apple test - they either don't have much of one or they have it removed. The only sure fire way to protect yourself is to be extra cautious when dealing with any woman who is just a little too taller than the average Thai girl. And watch for the size of their hands & heads too bigger is a bad sign. Then again if you avoid social petri dishes like Pattya, your odds of running into a tranny are greatly reduced.
If the OP is able to live a regular retired lifestyle over there without coming across as some degenerate whoremonger and actually has some regular Thai natives as friends, good for him. The majority of people in his age and ethic group are obvious, loutish and kinda pathetic. As someone pointed out, they wind up with 6s for a good reason - they're lucky to even have that! Back home in Australia, UK or Germany they'd be jacking off into a sock and - if they've got anything left at the end of their monthly pension disbursement/government handout, paying too much for an occasional quickie from some used up 35 year old EE whore down by the train station.
I hear the Thais have gotten stricter about visas and are less kind to foreigners, but that it's also only influencing the kind of loser farangs that add little value to the economy in the first place. I'd be interested to know of older guys who retire over there and pick up a side gig making some extra money - whatever it might be. Teaching English (or perhaps teaching something else at a University), using IT skills, mechanical work, running a small shop, doing some kind of engineering or other training they've had before, etc. These are ways to not only earn money while there (even if part time) but also to greatly increase your status and your chances of scoring someone aside from the illiterate village girls sent to Bangkok from the northeast provinces.
Remember too, no matter how much money you might save, without a social or work network to assist you in knowing the ropes, helping others and being helped when you need it, going over there cold in old age will be like starting from square one all over again just like the new kid in your freshman high school class. The difference is he's got time to build all of that - not the same picture for someone arriving as the new kid at 61 years old. Plan accordingly.
To anyone who wants to be taken seriously in whatever country that they want to call home :
* Live in an ordinary area
* Get to know everyone around you (residents, business owners, police maybe)
* Make friends, and treat them well
* Get a part time job or volunteer (be seen, and known)
* Dress like everyone else (with your own twist, if you like)
* Minimize any novelty of you being a foreigner asap, by acting like just another thai / filipino, etc. Act like you're a brother from another mother
* Learn the language, and use it as much as possible
* Learn the basics of the country's history and culture, and recent / current events
* Keep any whoremongering to yourself, and do it in another area - be discreet
* Criticize other expats who act stupid
* Live in an ordinary area
* Get to know everyone around you (residents, business owners, police maybe)
* Make friends, and treat them well
* Get a part time job or volunteer (be seen, and known)
* Dress like everyone else (with your own twist, if you like)
* Minimize any novelty of you being a foreigner asap, by acting like just another thai / filipino, etc. Act like you're a brother from another mother
* Learn the language, and use it as much as possible
* Learn the basics of the country's history and culture, and recent / current events
* Keep any whoremongering to yourself, and do it in another area - be discreet
* Criticize other expats who act stupid
Part-time jobs and volunteer jobs are practically impossible to get in Thailand.
Most fields of work are restricted for foreigners in Thailand. All manual labor for example. Volunteer work requires work permit. Can't fully own a normal Thai business either.
Thailand law is extremely restrictive to the point of hostile towards foreigners. Integration is virtually impossible.
Most fields of work are restricted for foreigners in Thailand. All manual labor for example. Volunteer work requires work permit. Can't fully own a normal Thai business either.
Thailand law is extremely restrictive to the point of hostile towards foreigners. Integration is virtually impossible.
Quote: (09-23-2017 04:11 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:
Part-time jobs and volunteer jobs are practically impossible to get in Thailand.
Most fields of work are restricted for foreigners in Thailand. All manual labor for example. Volunteer work requires work permit. Can't fully own a normal Thai business either.
Thailand law is extremely restrictive to the point of hostile towards foreigners. Integration is virtually impossible.
I wouldn't say most fields, but yes, unskilled or semi-skilled labor is pretty much restricted to Thai nationals. Unless your only skill is being a bricklayer, a Thai doll maker or a hairdresser, there are other possibilities and getting the right visa is not out of the question. But it is true that you will always be a farang.
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