[John Michael Kane]

(09-12-2017 03:27 PM)scrambled Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 11:50 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

The SMV is so skewed here it isn't even funny with all the fatties.

I just met a good looking dude (no homo) on Craigslist just yesterday that I sold a sofa to. He was tall and had good facial features. Seemed down-to-earth. I'd say he's at least a 7 for male looks/height and his personality was "normal". A catch by most standards, right? I couldn't believe when his 200+ lbs wife got out of their pickup truck. She was a 5 in the face, but her weight made her a 3-4, at most. Nothing but rolls everywhere. Having fit 7 men dating sub-5 fat girls or marrying them only seems to be common in the United States, Australia, and the UK. More than any other places on Earth do men date down more consistently. It is no surprise that so many men head for EE or SEA each year to find girlfriends and wives. Seriously, it is gosh darn depressing dealing with so many fatties, even by objectively good looking guys! I would rather be single and maintain my dignity than walk around with a 200 lbs wife. Gross.

[Australia Sucks]

John Michael Kane you are preaching to the choir buddy!! I have almost given up on gaming girls in Australia and am virtually hibernating my game until I can travel overseas again and meet some actual women. I am sick of the retarded entitled feminazi cunts that pass for women in Australia.

[scrambled]

(09-12-2017 05:00 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

I would rather be single and maintain my dignity than walk around with a 200 lbs wife. Gross.

[Llama Deam]

U.K.: 6.5
US: 7
Russia: 7.5
Colombia: 7.5
Brazil: 8
Germany: 6
Australia: 7
South East Asia: 9

[Svoboda]

(09-13-2017 05:56 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

John Michael Kane you are preaching to the choir buddy!! I have almost given up on gaming girls in Australia and am virtually hibernating my game until I can travel overseas again and meet some actual women. I am sick of the retarded entitled feminazi cunts that pass for women in Australia.

If you're in or near a major city. There are tons of foreign chicks in Australia on a one year working visa program or studying. Maybe exclusively target them?

[gework]

> American men with fat wives.

I think the UK is catching up. I have one friend who doesn't put in any effort but with work I think he could push into the top 20% of men in my town; maybe higher as my town has some pretty uninspired guys, but a good number of hot and fairly attractive girls, if a bit trashy.

Anyway this guy is 30 and about average weight, but his gf is 52 and probably 50% body fat. Yet he's enraptured. She's also much lower in intelligence. Another guy I know is a bit gawky, but I could see him pushing into the 7s with a bit of effort. I've prompted both of these guys to improve themselves, but they won't do any lifting. This guy is 36 and his gf is 63 and mentally unstable. He's over the moon. Another guy I know is 30. Good base features, but no effort. He's with a grandmother in her advanced 60s.

In my town there are a lot of guys who have fairly good base characteristics to work with. Not a lot of porkers, but quite a number of porky girls who don't seem to think it makes much difference.

I'd also add that when I tried POF in the UK I got messages from quite a few high 7-8 black girls and one date with a black 8. I sent a message to some blacks and all replied bar one trashy 9. Conversely virtually none of the white girls replied to me and the average rating of white girls who messaged me was a 6 or lower, plenty of lipids.

So I would say:

UK white: 6.5
UK black: 7.5

The Western SMV deductions don't appear to cross over into other areas with their own men. Recently I was in Serbia right next to Hungary and Croatia. But it was virtually only used in Hungary. Also gave it a try while waiting at Budapest train station. I'd put my Hungarian matches as about 7.7 and UK as 7.2. If anyone bothered to look at my profile it was in Serbian. I also tried TopFace (Russian Tinder) with a Serbian profile and although the likes I got were a mixed bag there was plenty pushing into the 8s and below 20.

[John Michael Kane]

(09-13-2017 01:04 PM)Svoboda Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 05:56 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

John Michael Kane you are preaching to the choir buddy!! I have almost given up on gaming girls in Australia and am virtually hibernating my game until I can travel overseas again and meet some actual women. I am sick of the retarded entitled feminazi cunts that pass for women in Australia.

If you're in or near a major city. There are tons of foreign chicks in Australia on a one year working visa program or studying. Maybe exclusively target them?

Yea, first-gen immigrants would probably be a better option if you can't travel that often. I know of a few first-gen Asian girls who have moved to Australia who are still maintaining their figure.

(09-13-2017 01:18 PM)gework Wrote:  

> American men with fat wives.

Anyway this guy is 30 and about average weight, but his gf is 52 and probably 50% body fat.

What on Earth? A man has a girlfriend twice his age and is a bluberpuss? I'd have a hard time respecting a friend like that. Seriously, where's your healthy sense of masculine pride?

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This guy is 36 and his gf is 63 and mentally unstable. He's over the moon. Another guy I know is 30. Good base features, but no effort. He's with a grandmother in her advanced 60s.

This is getting more than a little bit ridiculous. Are these "men" financially destitute? Are they getting paid for "companionship"? This begs credulity.

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I'd also add that when I tried POF in the UK I got messages from quite a few high 7-8 black girls and one date with a black 8. I sent a message to some blacks and all replied bar one trashy 9. Conversely virtually none of the white girls replied to me and the average rating of white girls who messaged me was a 6 or lower, plenty of lipids.

So I would say:

UK white: 6.5
UK black: 7.5

The Western SMV deductions don't appear to cross over into other areas with their own men. Recently I was in Serbia right next to Hungary and Croatia. But it was virtually only used in Hungary. Also gave it a try while waiting at Budapest train station. I'd put my Hungarian matches as about 7.7 and UK as 7.2. If anyone bothered to look at my profile it was in Serbian. I also tried TopFace (Russian Tinder) with a Serbian profile and although the likes I got were a mixed bag there was plenty pushing into the 8s and below 20.

A stable, decent looking white guy has a higher SMV to black women than to white women, all things considered IMHO. There aren't enough stable, well-off black guys to go around, so black girls are more likely to respond, all things being equal than their white counterparts. I find that girls in general really have a thing for men with Brittish accents, so I think any decent Brittish man who travels can certainly get a boost over his home rating in the UK.

[MongolianAbroad]

6'1", financially independent, easy on the eyes, athletic build (but not the bulky/steroid type), look about 24 when I'm in the shape I'm in right now.

US: 7 or 8. I get, "hey Casanova," or "hey hot stuff," randomly from girls when I'm in shape and walk around nicely dressed. When I don't dress nice, random girls will slap my butt or grab my bicep at bars. If I'm in a drunken "ignore red flags" haze/phase, I can consistently sleep with a different 5/6/7 every three weeks or so (I'm not as good with American girls as other guys on this forum). I get asked out (for relationship purposes) by girls that are 24 to 30 and have their shit together fairly frequently, but that's not my target market.

Mexico: 8 or 9. I speak Spanish, understand the culture, my finances are on point, girls want to have children that look like me, and I'm socially connected. Mexico's a social circle game country, and I could do very well there, just on introductions alone. I'd consider Mexico if the security situation wasn't so precarious for someone with my look, but even then, the girls from the Philippines are so much sweeter.

Philippines: 10. I can date beauty contest contestants and girls on scholarships at the best universities there, and they won't just date me, they'll worship the ground I walk on, it's nice, real nice.

Rest of the World: Don't know, haven't been. Real curious, though.

[MongolianAbroad]

(09-13-2017 01:25 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 01:04 PM)Svoboda Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 05:56 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  

John Michael Kane you are preaching to the choir buddy!! I have almost given up on gaming girls in Australia and am virtually hibernating my game until I can travel overseas again and meet some actual women. I am sick of the retarded entitled feminazi cunts that pass for women in Australia.

If you're in or near a major city. There are tons of foreign chicks in Australia on a one year working visa program or studying. Maybe exclusively target them?

Yea, first-gen immigrants would probably be a better option if you can't travel that often. I know of a few first-gen Asian girls who have moved to Australia who are still maintaining their figure.

(09-13-2017 01:18 PM)gework Wrote:  

> American men with fat wives.

Anyway this guy is 30 and about average weight, but his gf is 52 and probably 50% body fat.

What on Earth? A man has a girlfriend twice his age and is a bluberpuss? I'd have a hard time respecting a friend like that. Seriously, where's your healthy sense of masculine pride?

Quote:

This guy is 36 and his gf is 63 and mentally unstable. He's over the moon. Another guy I know is 30. Good base features, but no effort. He's with a grandmother in her advanced 60s.

This is getting more than a little bit ridiculous. Are these "men" financially destitute? Are they getting paid for "companionship"? This begs credulity.

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I'd also add that when I tried POF in the UK I got messages from quite a few high 7-8 black girls and one date with a black 8. I sent a message to some blacks and all replied bar one trashy 9. Conversely virtually none of the white girls replied to me and the average rating of white girls who messaged me was a 6 or lower, plenty of lipids.

So I would say:

UK white: 6.5
UK black: 7.5

The Western SMV deductions don't appear to cross over into other areas with their own men. Recently I was in Serbia right next to Hungary and Croatia. But it was virtually only used in Hungary. Also gave it a try while waiting at Budapest train station. I'd put my Hungarian matches as about 7.7 and UK as 7.2. If anyone bothered to look at my profile it was in Serbian. I also tried TopFace (Russian Tinder) with a Serbian profile and although the likes I got were a mixed bag there was plenty pushing into the 8s and below 20.

A stable, decent looking white guy has a higher SMV to black women than to white women, all things considered IMHO. There aren't enough stable, well-off black guys to go around, so black girls are more likely to respond, all things being equal than their white counterparts. I find that girls in general really have a thing for men with Brittish accents, so I think any decent Brittish man who travels can certainly get a boost over his home rating in the UK.

I don't know, man, in my experience, "stable and good looking" doesn't count for much in America. Game counts for so much more here than does "stable and good looking." Of the two, good looking is much better than stable, in America. It's like if stable isn't even a factor...it could even be a negative, as that 9 to 5 can definitely crimp your ability to game. If your stability comes from owning a business, that's different, but for most guys, it's a 9 to 5, and it's not good for game, being unemployed, good looking, and living on a college campus is better, much better.

[kaotic]

I'm a hard 9 dark alpha triad, I have no borders, no regions goes untouched by nether regions.

Women flock to me when I land in their countries, thank me for their soaked panties that I stuff in their mouths.

I make the sexual market value crash every time I pull out of a hot tight young wet pussy.

[gework]

(09-13-2017 01:25 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

What on Earth? A man has a girlfriend twice his age and is a bluberpuss? I'd have a hard time respecting a friend like that. Seriously, where's your healthy sense of masculine pride?
This is getting more than a little bit ridiculous. Are these "men" financially destitute? Are they getting paid for "companionship"? This begs credulity.

This guy comes from a hyper-feminised home with a German mother. When I was round at the house both the father and son were tryranised and trashed by the mother and sisters. So his model is women get everything and trash you along the way. The father makes lots of dark jokes about doing himself in and depression. He's just another guy who has given up before trying.

[LoveBug]

9 in Latin Americ Guatemala/Nicaragua/Mexico
8.5 in Philippines
7 in US
6 in East Asia - Korea

Never coming back to advanced East Asia again (Japan/Korea). Only place where being White seems a disadvantage. Girls don't give eye contact and are conservative with social barriers

[gework]

(09-14-2017 03:32 AM)LoveBug Wrote:  

Never coming back to advanced East Asia again (Japan/Korea). Only place where being White seems a disadvantage. Girls don't give eye contact and are conservative with social barriers

It's strange given the amount of SK women who have surgery to look more European (¡fake news! warning).

[LoveBug]

^^ true. When you get off the plane in incheon the first thing you'll see are posters where females are getting plastic surgeries on their noses.

Actually, I need to reframe that. Probably my SMV is higher, I was confusing that with how easy I think it is to pull. Their has been a good deal of sexual tension, and me catching girls checking me out without holding it. Plus the erotic factor, I'm sure they are attracted as much or more than American chicks.

But they are conservative. There is no country bump because of how advanced SK is.. And the country is still ethnocentric (playing musical chairs in the subway, me being denied a Korean only restaurant) where there would seem barriers between them acting in their sexual attraction.

But that's only my opinion for being here 4 days . Don't take my word

Actually it makes me more attracted to them

[Haly08]

US - 7
UK - 7
CA (Toronto) - 5 (Brampton - 4 )
Middle East -8 (counts for shit though)

[John Michael Kane]

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^^ true. When you get off the plane in incheon the first thing you'll see are posters where females are getting plastic surgeries on their noses.

I can attest to this. The surgery posters are right next to the skin whitening cream posters. Female attention to being beautiful is a MAJOR industry in Korea. Girls compete constantly to look their best, plus dress their best. The average Korean guy doesn't have any idea how good he has it.

[semibaron]

(09-14-2017 03:32 AM)LoveBug Wrote:  

9 in Latin Americ Guatemala/Nicaragua/Mexico
8.5 in Philippines
7 in US
6 in East Asia - Korea

Never coming back to advanced East Asia again (Japan/Korea). Only place where being White seems a disadvantage. Girls don't give eye contact and are conservative with social barriers

You are doing it wrong in East Asia. Especially Japan can be the best place in all of Asia.

[MikeS]

40 years old, in good shape with athletic body, average face.

5-6 in my native Denmark (6-7 when I was younger, simply because I was younger, had very little game but liked partying and getting as drunk as the women my age. Which led to hookups on a relatively regular basis)
7-8 in Bulgaria, Romania and Greece (probably lower in Greece if I actually had to start looking for a decent woman, since it's a country so heavily focused on social circles and mine rarely consists of more than a few people at a time)
8-9 in Thailand

Not enough or outdated impressions from other countries I've visited.

[Robert Plant]

I'm a bit older. I've got classic good looks, am tall and in shape but not big. I am confident and straight forward, not into bullshitting people. My verbal game is average but I'm awesome at escalation once I get attraction going.

6 in Southern California- Here you want to be a young snake oil salesman or famous.
7 Everywhere else in N. America- Your average N American woman wants showmanship over substance. Canadians are a little better in this regard but more bizarre about their feminism.
8 in Western Europe
8.5 in Latin America
9 in SE Asia

[LoveBug]

I've been getting as good of attention in Malaysia as in the Phils.. It's actually cute seeing white dudes with girls in their covers here.

[MongolianAbroad]

(09-20-2017 02:17 AM)LoveBug Wrote:  

I've been getting as good of attention in Malaysia as in the Phils.. It's actually cute seeing white dudes with girls in their covers here.

"girls in their covers?"

What does that mean? You mean white guys with girls wearing those scarves they wear over their heads? Or am I totally misreading?

[MMM]

Here's another take on this topic. In the good ole USA:

White girls-6
Asian girls-5
Hispanic girls-7
Black girls-8

[LoveBug]

@Spaniard88 - that's what I mean. I've gotten good attention from that segment of the population here too. From literally stepping off the plane, being approached by a giggling group of them. There is allure there for me. I don't mind Malaysia after visiting only a few days. Because it's an intermixed, cosmopolitan you don't get the ethnocentric, what are you doing here vibe at times. And there is still good WGF. It's also not as expensive as East Asia or US but seems a step more modern and developed than other parts of SEA

[Fortis]

I'm over 9,000 in all countries.

[blacknwhitespade]

Funny I was just thinking this concept to myself the other day! If dating sites (Tinder, Eharmony, etc) and my travel anecdotes are an indicator, my SMV goes up by at least 1 point, maybe 2 points, in Mexico and several other parts of Latin America. My value is also slightly higher in Europe (Western and Eastern).

There are a number of reasons for this:

When I get abroad,
-I become exotic.
-Women in major international cities relate to me better on my interests (like to travel, learn languages, creative hobbies, etc). The average European girl speaks at least 2 languages, and, while many are football fanatics, they also tend to have more creative tastes than the average American girl.
-Lots of Mexican and other Latin American women highly value/are highly attracted to white men.
-The SMP Theory is a lot more sound in many other countries compared to the USA: I'm in my mid-30s, in great shape, look youthful, dress sharp, and frequently get IOIs from girls 10+ years younger than me when in Russia, Mexico, even in Western Europe (Spain!). I get attention from some younger women in the US, but I tally some of my rejections to the fem-centric conditioning and general immaturity of younger generation Y American women.