[churros]

I was listening to Roosh's post about warning signs, in which he recommends just dropping a girl if she suggests changing location.

When hearing this, I thought his stance was unnecessarily rigid and macho. What's the big deal?

Last night I suggested a bar to a model looking girl. She suggested somewhere else. I held my ground, and she eventually came round.

But I shouldn't have bothered. Bitch was cold as ice the whole night. Worse: when it comes time to pay, she "forgot her wallet at home". For the record, I'd pay if I had fun.

Exact same thing happened couple weeks ago: girl messed me around about locations, but eventually gave in. Still ended up hugely wasting my time.

I'm writing this for guys on the fence. Game rules are hard and fast. There are no exceptions for hotter chicks.

[DimeBait]

I've never had a chick suggest a place. I'm wondering what the dynamics of the convo were like leading up to the logistics. Are you asking these women a bunch of silly useless questions along with meaningless back-n-forth? Interviewing bishes gives them the upper hand and conveys weakness. YOU are the prize! Where are you meeting these women, online?
I refrain from the small talk and simply say meet me at Java Joe's downtown tomorrow at 6 and do not say anything else.

[churros]

Daygame, high 7s. This happens rarely, but my point is that if a girl does this, her attitude isn't worth dealing with. Here's the convo.

[after a restart]

Me: Drink later?
Her: Why not, what time?
Me: Say 8:30 at x?
Her: I've never been there, how about y?

[Alarm bells at this point, but I choose not to blow out the interaction]

Me: Come to x, you'll like it.
Her: Well I usually don't hang out in x these days
Me: And why is that?
Her: Just natural inclination...
Me: I'm sure you can make an exception
Her: ok looks interesting see you there at 8:30

[True Balla]

I would think it doesn't go well because they're just not as interested in the first place. Obviously, you can spit game and win her over, but it's an uphill battle. She wants you to come there where its close to her, she can get a free drink or 2 if the date sucks, and go back home easy.

Coming to where you suggest takes more time commitment and logistics commitment on their part. I think that may be why Roosh suggested to drop them. If they're not willing to commit to come to you, it's just going to be tough to begin with.

[crudeloyalist]

Girls are master time wasters, this is nothing new. Your expectations were too high.

(08-10-2017 01:28 PM)churros Wrote:  

I was listening to Roosh's post about warning signs, in which he recommends just dropping a girl if she suggests changing location.

Seems a bit rash to completely drop a potential date simple because she suggests the location. This ultimately depends on your intentions. If I'm certain I want the date to lead to a bang, I'd take her to a bar close to my apartment. If I'm open to discovering a new spot in my city and she has an interesting suggestion, I'm down.

You holding your ground ultimately led to her being in an environment and situation she found uncomfortable. This isn't necessarily your fault but as a player of the game, you should be thinking several steps ahead.

(08-10-2017 01:28 PM)churros Wrote:  

Exact same thing happened couple weeks ago: girl messed me around about locations, but eventually gave in. Still ended up hugely wasting my time.

You haven't include any details of your interactions on these dates. It seems your too focused on the set up and the result. Are you vibing well with these girls? Are you establishing comfort, kino etc?

[pancakemouse]

Girls who suggest location changes are most likely "Alpha females" who are looking for a beta they can boss around. If that's you, go for it, but you're going to have to play the part (i.e. waiting 3 dates for sex).

Thankfully, I never seem to meet these types of girls.

[Jetset]

My first read I thought it said Roosh said "drop off", like, "bitch, get out of the car".

That seemed extreme, maybe. This doesn't, at least if she pushes after being told no.

[_Samo_]

Its rare it happens to me but I actually have a policy that if a girl refuses to come to my meeting spot and insists on meeting elsewhere then I just cancel the whole thing, my spot is dead in the centre of a big city and everybody knows it.

It just shows a lack of interest and investment on her part as other guys have already said, its different if you're aren't being assertive but this doesn't seem the case here. You can possibly turn these around if she's really into you on the date but you're already starting off on a bad footing if she's controlling where you're hanging out from the beginning and refusing your spot/generally being difficult.

[HankMoody]

You're sort of doing it wrong...

If you're just trying to prove your dominance over her by arbitrarily selecting the location, that's retarded.

The reason you select the location is to control the entire interaction. Go somewhere where the bartenders all know you, along with a lot of the patrons. You're letting her into your fun and interesting life, not the other way around. Once I'm interested in a girl, I will only take her to bars where all the bartenders are like "Yo Hank! Your regular? I saw you in the newspaper today, by the way. Good shit!" "Oh you did? For the bank robbery, or the lawyer thing?"

If she selects the location, she's basically bringing you into her life, and you don't want that. Not early, at least. You have to make her want to be part of your clique (or just be a total sigma and go somewhere that everyone at least knows you by first name.)

You also don't want all her friends shit testing you right at the outset. "He's not that tall", "that watch he wore was weird", "he didn't denounce Trump when I made a comment" etc. When you come into her circle without your crew, you have to have very, very strong frame. They're judging the shit out of you, and looking for a reason to tell her "no" unless your game and style is totally on point.

I'd rather not work that hard. It's much easier once she already knows you have your own social thing going on - she won't give a shit about what her friends think because you're cooler than them anyway.

It's important to know the technical aspects (never let her pick the venue), but you also have to understand the reason why you're doing it...

So... don't just argue the venue to argue the venue, insist on bringing her somewhere that demonstrates your social value. You'll both have way more fun. She gets to experience the life of someone fun, interesting, and intriguing, you get to look like a playboy in front of all your friends.

[speculator]

When a girl suggests a place, there is a very high chance that she has another date lined up and the location of the place happens to be near to the venue she intends to go later. Girls don't make any decisions most of the time and this is an obvious red flag that she is just using you to get in the mood before the real date.