[Ouroboros]

(06-13-2017 09:47 AM)crdr Wrote:  

Can somebody please explain why all the rich guys got hot chicks and all broke guys I see in grocery stores have hogs for girlfriends?

(06-13-2017 09:47 AM)crdr Wrote:  

Everyone knows that Fortune 500 CEOs marry low maintenance spouses who will mother their children. Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, you name a WEALTHY or POWERFUL man, he's mostly got a motherly wife and a young side thing. Jeff Bezos wife isn't that bad. But this is nothing new...

Who ends up marrying the hot chicks then?

[crdr]

(06-13-2017 09:54 AM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 09:47 AM)crdr Wrote:  

Can somebody please explain why all the rich guys got hot chicks and all broke guys I see in grocery stores have hogs for girlfriends?

(06-13-2017 09:47 AM)crdr Wrote:  

Everyone knows that Fortune 500 CEOs marry low maintenance spouses who will mother their children. Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, you name a WEALTHY or POWERFUL man, he's mostly got a motherly wife and a young side thing. Jeff Bezos wife isn't that bad. But this is nothing new...

Who ends up marrying the hot chicks then?

Successful men... Entrepreneurs, Athletes who make over $500K aka guys with Game and Money.
google: Trophy Wife

[Stanfield]

The only broke guys I know that get '9s' are good looking men that manage to dress well from their meagre incomes.

[churros]

I love how dudes are putting on the kid gloves for cdr because he claims to have cash. This seems to happen a lot here. But it's just standard game denialism and low-post trolling. I don't see why this debate needs to happen again.

[crdr]

(06-13-2017 10:10 AM)churros Wrote:  

I love how dudes are putting on the kid gloves for cdr because he claims to have cash. This seems to happen a lot here. But it's just standard game denialism and low-post trolling. I don't see why this debate needs to happen again.

Where am I? lol. What's so wrong with wanting to be successful with Women and Money? Wow.

[bellhead]

Money helps out a great deal when you take a girl out & it helps ou. There's a big difference between McDonald's and steak. Last might I went out for a first date meet and great with a lady. She was much cuter in person 5'6 130lbs I would put her at an 8, great legs. We had drinks at a roof top bar, 3 drinks each and talked for 2 and half hours. Next we hit two more bars at the last bar she was joking if I ever ran out of 20's. Would much rather have her joke about that than have a card declined.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-13-2017 10:11 AM)crdr Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 10:10 AM)churros Wrote:  

I love how dudes are putting on the kid gloves for cdr because he claims to have cash. This seems to happen a lot here. But it's just standard game denialism and low-post trolling. I don't see why this debate needs to happen again.

Where am I? lol. What's so wrong with wanting to be successful with Women and Money? Wow.

Nah - Churros is right.

As a rule of thumb - the younger the girl is, the higher her tolerance for the no-money-no-success bang. It also is dependent on your age to a degree. She has higher tolerance for a broke 25yo than a 45yo man, even if you are in excellent shape.

The older a woman gets, the more she is looking for the Beta provider and that the age range you suddenly see the 8s and 9s pair up with well-off man. She is not going to bang the ex-con or the struggling artist too long.

And here is where the misconceptions start - you see successful men being married to hot girls past the age of 26-30. What you don't see is the assortment of low-life Alphas, losers, fuck-ups and drug addicts she fucked in her hotter tighter years:

[crdr]

(06-13-2017 03:09 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 10:11 AM)crdr Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 10:10 AM)churros Wrote:  

I love how dudes are putting on the kid gloves for cdr because he claims to have cash. This seems to happen a lot here. But it's just standard game denialism and low-post trolling. I don't see why this debate needs to happen again.

Where am I? lol. What's so wrong with wanting to be successful with Women and Money? Wow.

Nah - Churros is right.

As a rule of thumb - the younger the girl is, the higher her tolerance for the no-money-no-success bang. It also is dependent on your age to a degree. She has higher tolerance for a broke 25yo than a 45yo man, even if you are in excellent shape.

The older a woman gets, the more she is looking for the Beta provider and that the age range you suddenly see the 8s and 9s pair up with well-off man. She is not going to bang the ex-con or the struggling artist too long.

And here is where the misconceptions start - you see successful men being married to hot girls past the age of 26-30. What you don't see is the assortment of low-life Alphas, losers, fuck-ups and drug addicts she fucked in her hotter tighter years:

I get decent women. I'm not a fuck up or a loser or a drug addict. Quite the opposite.

Nice graph.
I think you guys are really misunderstanding me. I make money for myself and myself only. I like making money and having sex... I am on this forum because I find Game and Making money one in the same... I own and have reviewed all of Roosh's Books. I run day game every day. I know for a fact you don't need money to impress girls. Game is also great for marketing strategies. I know I need money to afford the finer things in life and to achieve freedom for myself. That's my definition of game. I want the complete life. Game doesn't buy infinity pools. Yet, it fills the infinity pool. I AM NOT ARGUING WITH YOU GUYS!!! Ironically and indirectly I'm learning more that I wouldn't know. But I play both sides of the table. My money game is tight and my Game can always use tightening because it makes me more money!!!

Thank you for the graph. It just gave me much more marketing firepower... Very good.

Can someone explain why the Sexual Peak for Men is 37?

[Repo]

I would say the most immediately effective use of money to gain access to women would be moving to a baller condo in a large city in the middle of where the action takes place. Great logistics cannot be understated.

[crdr]

So are you saying a young party chick would bang a broke 45 year old?
Broke 25 year olds don't stay 25 forever...

[Ultimate Wingman]

Before the 2007 subprime crisis, I was making decent bank (5 figures a month) but my game was weak as hell. I would pay for expensive dinners, have nice clothes (these are necessarily bad) but I would DEPEND ON IT and had very few dates. Contrast this to after the economic crisis, I've living on the floor of a relative, and I'm killing it in day game, getting multiple instadates, paying little no money at all on cheap ass yet interesting dates and the girls are enjoying spending time with me more! I end up getting into a long term relationship but that's another story.

Point being, money is a tool but should not be used as the crutch.

With all this being said, guys who are good at making money generally tend to be good at other things that relate to being good with women. Example: sales. To be good at sales, you have to be a people person and know general psychology/intuition. Which BTW, is what is required to not only be good at getting girls, is mandatory to being able to deal with them AFTER you've slept with them and are now in a relationship (even purely sexual relationships are a form of a relationship) Another example is logistics. If you own and run a business, you have to be good at managing a million variables. Look at Roosh and his websites/books. There's a lot of thought and effort put into that. That sort of personality will translate well to dating where you need to have condums and wine ready at your place. Good lighting. Proximity to date location, etc. Women know this instinctually and that's part of the reason they like "rich guys" not so much because they're rich but because they're "successful" which translates to being a good father for their kids, good husband, good boyfriend to deal with their crazy ass mood swings.

[lavidaloca]

What is with the money = hot pussy. Talking about athletes and entertainers has no relevance. They have status.

Most people date and marry people very similar looking to themselves including rich people. Keep in mind most rich people are going to have lives where they are overconsumed with work.

Where money can also be a difference maker is in countries with a lot of people really fucked economically. This is why you see Fat 60 year olds with girls much more attractive than them and young enough to be their daughters in some places.

I'm gonna be honest when your 45 in Canada even with a few million your not gonna get 9's unless you yourself are very good looking so that has little relevance.

[crdr]

I'm just fascinated by these two schools of thought. On one hand I'm listening to a fat and hideous looking Multi-Millionaire who tells me "Chicks dig Cash" Go get money. On the other, in this topic where people are telling me 25 year old wage slaves are Playboys.

Luckily, I found a happy medium...

[rudebwoy]

If you have money and it helps you to get girls, then what is the problem?

No need to be on a game forum.

[crdr]

There is none. Curious what people thought...

[BossOfBosses]

(06-13-2017 07:33 PM)Ultimate Wingman Wrote:  

Before the 2007 subprime crisis, I was making decent bank (5 figures a month) but my game was weak as hell. I would pay for expensive dinners, have nice clothes (these are necessarily bad) but I would DEPEND ON IT and had very few dates. Contrast this to after the economic crisis, I've living on the floor of a relative, and I'm killing it in day game, getting multiple instadates, paying little no money at all on cheap ass yet interesting dates and the girls are enjoying spending time with me more! I end up getting into a long term relationship but that's another story.

Point being, money is a tool but should not be used as the crutch.

I think race factors into this as well. I read a study somewhere where white women only considered dating black and asian men who made over 150k, but white men only needed to make 60k to be considered a prospect.

This issue is a a lot more multi-layered and complex than simply "just have confidence bro!" or "money is a crutch". The effective use of money depends heavily on your particular circumstances. I think a black guy will benefit much more and gain much more ground from having money than a fit, normal, decent looking 29 year old white guy with a middle class job.

I know for a fact sites like SA exist because money works. And I (being a black dude) did a hell of a lot better on SA than any dating site I've ever been on (outside of night game).

Which is one of the main reasons why I disagree with so many on this thread.

[birthday cat]

crdr - you've got more straw man arguments than the feminist typists at jezebel.com

Nobody said the OP should stop making money.

Nobody said that game and money wasn't better than game and no money.

Nobody said there was anything wrong with wanting to be successful with both women and money.

Zelcorpion's argument wasn't about 25 year old wage slaves being playboys. He said young girls have a higher tolerance for a broke 25yo than a broke 45yo, which is common sense for most of us.

[Ouroboros]

(06-13-2017 10:00 AM)crdr Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 09:54 AM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 09:47 AM)crdr Wrote:  

Can somebody please explain why all the rich guys got hot chicks and all broke guys I see in grocery stores have hogs for girlfriends?

(06-13-2017 09:47 AM)crdr Wrote:  

Everyone knows that Fortune 500 CEOs marry low maintenance spouses who will mother their children. Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, you name a WEALTHY or POWERFUL man, he's mostly got a motherly wife and a young side thing. Jeff Bezos wife isn't that bad. But this is nothing new...

Who ends up marrying the hot chicks then?

Successful men... Entrepreneurs, Athletes who make over $500K aka guys with Game and Money.
google: Trophy Wife

Successful men end up marrying the hot chicks, you say. So an athlete making over 500K is more 'successful' than the corporate billionaires and politicians who often have extremely homely wives? I don't see how this makes any sense if your definition of success depends so highly upon an individual's net worth or power, which a politician or CEO has to a far greater extent than an athlete (or even most entrepreneurs).

[BossOfBosses]

(06-13-2017 10:18 PM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 10:00 AM)crdr Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 09:54 AM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

(06-13-2017 09:47 AM)crdr Wrote:  

Can somebody please explain why all the rich guys got hot chicks and all broke guys I see in grocery stores have hogs for girlfriends?

(06-13-2017 09:47 AM)crdr Wrote:  

Everyone knows that Fortune 500 CEOs marry low maintenance spouses who will mother their children. Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, you name a WEALTHY or POWERFUL man, he's mostly got a motherly wife and a young side thing. Jeff Bezos wife isn't that bad. But this is nothing new...

Who ends up marrying the hot chicks then?

Successful men... Entrepreneurs, Athletes who make over $500K aka guys with Game and Money.
google: Trophy Wife

Successful men end up marrying the hot chicks, you say. So an athlete making over 500K is more 'successful' than the corporate billionaires and politicians who often have extremely homely wives? I don't see how this makes any sense if your definition of success depends so highly upon an individual's net worth or power, which a politician or CEO has to a far greater extent than an athlete (or even most entrepreneurs).

Athletes/Celebs can get away with more "shenanigans" than politicians or CEO's, because CEO's/politicians are expected to behave accord to public standards of conduct. So in reality, any sufficiently famous dude (any guy on forbes celeb 100 or TMZ) would have a lot more power than a politician and could rail much more pussy.

This paradox is because of how the public and people in general puts public figures in certain "boxes" due to the expectations of their jobs.

Power is not money, it's how you are perceived.

If the billionaire "rebranded" himself from a "business" guy to a globetrotting playboy with an insane lifestyle (ala Dan Bilzerian) he could also get much more pussy.

It's for the same reasons a famous porn actor fucks more girls than a regular famous actor, even when their not doing porn.

[Premium]

In Canada (with a life to death social safety net..and free medical) I chatted with a couple of guys I worked with from the States (Canuck residents now)....they believe in a hand-up....not a hand out....uhm...err.. no not believe...firmly believe (passionately)

I found it curious why they thought that (one was voting for Trump the other undecided).... the vote meant nothing to them living here (still patriots with family down south of the border)...laughable cause one had a Guyana wife(South American...religious early 30's...blond blue-eyed Jehovah Witness boy scout..with mulatto wife mix kids)...the other States guy retired ex-navy fat wife with a grey handlebar mustache ..anyways!!!!!! elections over down there!

The point...Canadian girls ...have no future plans.. the government pays cradle to grave (HAND OUT).....so they go with whats hot in the media or music video's......CASH does not matter...or men or lesbianism or race or whatever....even daycare will be universal soon

Basically if the guys in Canada aren't in a hip hop video....we are fukked for 20 yr olds up to 40 yr olds...no tattoo's even worse for us

HAND UP... God bless America....king of cash.... where chicks think about their future ....and status (except NYC and Cali..all well off ... man haters of course I generalize...but not going to either ..ever)....Regardless any country where "couples" have to work to ekk out a life is where you'll find well grounded chicks...that will work for family (not tear it apart because somebody named Oprah says so)

I'm not sitting in a country were I'm written off by chicks because I have cash and status and over 35 (and don't listen to music video's or have a lapa doodle or wanna hug a whale)....Texas or where ever here I come! Life's to short for social experiments in Canada or western europe...I say it failed
the people already

[brick tamland]

(06-13-2017 02:55 PM)bellhead Wrote:  

Money helps out a great deal when you take a girl out & it helps ou. There's a big difference between McDonald's and steak. Last might I went out for a first date meet and great with a lady. She was much cuter in person 5'6 130lbs I would put her at an 8, great legs. We had drinks at a roof top bar, 3 drinks each and talked for 2 and half hours. Next we hit two more bars at the last bar she was joking if I ever ran out of 20's. Would much rather have her joke about that than have a card declined.

How did this date end? Friendly hug? Kiss on the cheek? Or more?

[All or Nothing]

(06-12-2017 02:12 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

I've been good friends with guys who were near broke and could still pull solid 8s and 9s every now and then. The one thing they *did* have in common, was above-average looks, solid confidence around women, and yes, being broke or near-broke.

This is what I'm saying. Although, I think being financially secure (don't have to be rich) helps a lot.

When you have moderately attractive looks combined with solid emotional control and having your shit together financially on some level, there shouldn't be any major barriers to getting the 8-9 level girls.

The one thing though is that internal mental block. That's what I have been thinking about lately. I can get dates with those upper level chicks and even get them back to the bedroom, but not closing. Either I get anxious and the girl picks up on that and drops me or I give up prematurely because I don't want to face the idea that I failed with a really goodlooking chick.

I think the last piece of the puzzle to getting 8-9 level chicks is having that internal killer instinct where fear or anxiety doesn't lead to you fucking up. Being a closer so to speak.

[Ouroboros]

(06-13-2017 11:01 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

Athletes/Celebs can get away with more "shenanigans" than politicians or CEO's, because CEO's/politicians are expected to behave accord to public standards of conduct. So in reality, any sufficiently famous dude (any guy on forbes celeb 100 or TMZ) would have a lot more power than a politician and could rail much more pussy.

This paradox is because of how the public and people in general puts public figures in certain "boxes" due to the expectations of their jobs.

Power is not money, it's how you are perceived.

If the billionaire "rebranded" himself from a "business" guy to a globetrotting playboy with an insane lifestyle (ala Dan Bilzerian) he could also get much more pussy.

It's for the same reasons a famous porn actor fucks more girls than a regular famous actor, even when their not doing porn.

I can see why those who need to maintain a public profile in accordance with certain standards of conduct might not want to be seen as notorious playboys, but that doesn't explain why so many wife up a 5 instead of an 8. Having a hot wife wouldn't damage their image.

[the high]

My keyboard jockey sense is tingling.

[crdr]

What are your guys thoughts on Derek Jeter? He's a 42 year old rich guy married to a 28 year old model. Who was a notorious Slayer of 10s in his youth in New York. Could our 25 year old wage slave Playboy with great game and no money hold a candle to him or not? Or is he just good looking...or just location...or 1 out of a million Status.

I have a feeling he could if somehow he got passed the gates... Money doesn't matter once you're passed the gates.

Could the 25 year old wage slave Playboy have a career of banging models as long as Derek Jeter? It seems that's all Jeter knows how to do and has been rich
and free his whole life.

Does money help with Game? Could Derek Jeter fuck Jessica Alba and women who look like her on a consistent basis and marry a woman 14 years younger than him without a MLB Contract?

Would you be a 25 Year Old Wage Slave Playboy or a Billionaire Businessman Beta? Personally I would be neither...