[rudebwoy]

(06-12-2017 02:12 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

Having myself spent some years working in Wall Street, I've also known guys pulling in solid money, living in expensive high-rises and still struggling to land a date with 6s and 7s.

So my advice to the OP would be: don't fall into the trap of thinking that money can "buy" raw, primal attraction. At best, you'll be marked by women 30+ as the nice, provider type. Money helps with women, but you have to use it wisely: travel, get fit, upgrade your wardrobe, do shit that'll help you improve your self image and self esteem, and of course work on your game. These will get you far with women, and they don't require $200k/yr either.

Real Talk.

There is also another forum guy based in NYC, who doesn't have a lot of money but bangs models on a regular. This guy has been certified and verified by many other dudes on here.

Please listen to the Distant Light podcast we did with him on YouTube.

[birthday cat]

(06-12-2017 02:21 PM)crdr Wrote:  

I'm a newb. This is like arguing religion. It's going nowhere.

Can somebody please explain why all the rich guys got hot chicks and all broke guys I see in grocery stores have hogs for girlfriends?

All rich guys have hot chicks and all broke guys have hogs? Seriously?

Most guys I see with truly hot chicks have a combination of game and physical attractiveness. They aren't rich or broke.

Why do you keep trying to push this straw man argument about broke guys? It's been repeated multiple times that nobody is telling the OP to stop making money.

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This seems like a real popular topic...

I would say guys exaggerate their success with women more than we exaggerate our money.

These manosphere guys show no evidence their advice works. No photos with chicks. Let alone photos of themselves. These guys' blogs are soft.

There is a big difference between "manosphere guys" and "game guys".

Also, I've seen countless photos of hot girls with forum members but they aren't on this forum for privacy reasons. It's against the rules to post those photos here.

Perhaps you should stick around for a while and learn more about this forum before coming out with guns blazing.

You probably have a lot of good advice to give on some topics and you could probably learn a lot from this forum on other topics.

However, you are clearly at a point where you don't know what you don't know and you are coming off as combative and emotional.

[Oz.]

You can always use money to improve certain aspects of yourself. Check this thread out:

Unorthadox Methods and Cost of Increasing Physical Attractiveness

[BossOfBosses]

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These manosphere guys show no evidence their advice works. No photos with chicks. Let alone photos of themselves. These guys' blogs are soft.

Rich guy with game will out compete and out last any broke guy with game.

Lol these guys don't want to hear the cold, hard truth.

"No, no bro I know this broke hipster guy who lives with his mom in a dingy shack and bangs 9's in coffee shop bathrooms all the time bro!"

It's always unproven anecdotes or one-off stories where there's always more than meets the eye. On the other hand there's countless scientific studies that confirm wealth *itself* attracts women. Science wins.

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For the longest time I used to think just like you, ie, 8s+ were strictly for the super good looking, super rich etc etc. Then I got my ass over to NYC, made some new friends, began hitting up bars and seeing them in action, and my eyes were opened.

Ding ding ding! You missed it didn't you? The keyword? 'NYC'. Good ratios makes women, even 9s more competitive and act normal. I can this happening more where you live plausibly. Unfortunately this is just not the case in much of the rest of the country. Simply having "confidence" and "above average" looks will not cut it (I live near SF). Lots of guys have that and they are all thirsty as hell.

Come back to reality now.

[crdr]

(06-12-2017 03:13 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

(06-12-2017 02:21 PM)crdr Wrote:  

I'm a newb. This is like arguing religion. It's going nowhere.

Can somebody please explain why all the rich guys got hot chicks and all broke guys I see in grocery stores have hogs for girlfriends?

All rich guys have hot chicks and all broke guys have hogs? Seriously?

Most guys I see with truly hot chicks have a combination of game and physical attractiveness. They aren't rich or broke.

Why do you keep trying to push this straw man argument about broke guys? It's been repeated multiple times that nobody is telling the OP to stop making money.

Quote:

This seems like a real popular topic...

I would say guys exaggerate their success with women more than we exaggerate our money.

These manosphere guys show no evidence their advice works. No photos with chicks. Let alone photos of themselves. These guys' blogs are soft.

There is a big difference between "manosphere guys" and "game guys".

Also, I've seen countless photos of hot girls with forum members but they aren't on this forum for privacy reasons. It's against the rules to post those photos here.

Perhaps you should stick around for a while and learn more about this forum before coming out with guns blazing.

You probably have a lot of good advice to give on some topics and you could probably learn a lot from this forum on other topics.

However, you are clearly at a point where you don't know what you don't know and you are coming off as combative and emotional.

Yeah, you're right.

[GlobalMan]

(06-12-2017 01:55 PM)crdr Wrote:  

God bless your heart.

There is no need for this gay ass snark. We don't do that here.

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As far as the topic at hand, here is a thread which includes some great posts from guys who have substantial cash and have dealt with the issues and benefits it brings:

thread-52616-page-2.html

[Savemham Lincoln]

(06-12-2017 03:26 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

Lol these guys don't want to hear the cold, hard truth.

It's always unproven anecdotes or one-off stories where there's always more than meets the eye. On the other hand there's countless scientific studies that confirm wealth *itself* attracts women. Science wins.


Come back to reality now.

This is a result of money with zero game. "Moreki" means buyer i.e. provider. This was taken by a hot girl who works at one of the swankiest clubs in my city. Note the group of only women right behind him.

[realologist]

Another money vs. game Thread

Who's starting the next looks vs. game thread?

Back to the topic. Work on your game first. Don't throw money at it. Think about how many threads we have on simps where guys had plenty of money and got played hard by chicks with girl game. Happens to athletes, techies, just about any guy with money that doesn't have a lick of game.

Think of your money as a tool. A tool to bring you the life you enjoy. If you enjoy life then you will attract women into it since you have an aura that radiates and is infectious. All girls want a part of that.

[jselysianeagle]

(06-12-2017 03:26 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

Ding ding ding! You missed it didn't you? The keyword? 'NYC'. Good ratios makes women, even 9s more competitive and act normal.

Spoken like someone that's never stepped foot in NYC.

First off, you can forget about the whole "but the ratios are so good there" canard. In every single major city in the US, there's significantly more single guys than single women in the 18-40 age bracket, including NYC:

http://jonathansoma.com/singles/

Furthermore, the competition among guys for quality women in NYC is also significantly stronger than most other places in the country. You have plenty of dudes who either come from wealth or earn really well, take care of themselves, are socially connected etc. It's not like you just land here, spend a few minutes on Tinder or what have you, and instantly have dates with 8s and 9s lined up because they are "acting normal" or some such garbage. Also, just like anywhere else, there's plenty of 5s and 6s here who think they're the shit, and plenty of thirsty simps chasing after them.

Going out here means you will have to deal with much of the same bullshit as anywhere else - the hottest women are surrounded by guys they already rolled with, or will be bitchy to you for no apparent reason etc. NYC may be better than many places, but don't get carried away and think you're on easy street once you're here. You will still have to put in the work to get and keep quality tail.

Now I will grant that there are certain aspects of living here that make it easier - incredibly high density of population, tons of ways to meet women (night or day), lots of cultural events etc etc. All of that definitely helps and I won't try and deny it. But you said you live in the SF area, so you have much of that there as well, so it's a moot point.

My original point stands - namely, that wealth alone isn't enough. Yes, a guy with wealth AND game will out perform a guy with ONLY game, but these situations (from the woman's perspective) are not necessarily the norm. In other words, it isn't true that at any given time, she's having to pick between two almost equally good prospects with the only difference being wealth. Usually it's some mix of overall personality, game, looks, status etc that will determine who gets to spread her legs.

Honestly, if you're not happy with your situation in SF, then move already, or at least travel like so many on this forum already have. Did you notice the Travel forum on here?! No shame in moving somewhere or traveling to improve your dating prospects.

[Sebastian]

Do things you Like that requires money. (buying a nice car, dining at nice place, renting a boat for the weekend, trip to the europe etc)

and simply invite her to your lifestyle. Will it attract gold diggers? probably. Does it matter if they leave? No. You did things you like anyways.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-12-2017 02:21 PM)crdr Wrote:  

I'm a newb. This is like arguing religion. It's going nowhere.

Can somebody please explain why all the rich guys got hot chicks and all broke guys I see in grocery stores have hogs for girlfriends?

Rich men get hunted by attractive women.
Depending on the circles they are in, there is more of them.

Rich men on average have hotter women, but getting them to marry you is easy. Having them interested in you for yourself, being into you - that is the tough part.

Of course rich men have more options than Walmart slobs.

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OP:

1. Go no-fap - there are a ton of men who report that it cured their social anxiety:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_q...al+anxiety

2. Stay away from MGTOW for a while - most of them are Game deniers - that won't help you in your situation.

3. While the No-fap regime gives you energy, focus and recedes your social anxiety - start to learn Game, here on forum, buy Roosh's books on it, check out also Nick Krauser's books start with beginner.

Introverted guys are doing way better during Daygame than Nightgame. The reason is because during Nightgame girls have their shields up in a club, you are surrounded by people, by her friends.
Daygame - both indirect as taught in Day Bang by Roosh or direct as taught by Krauser - Daygame is the perfect tool for the introverted man. You only need to overcome the first hurdle of approaching girls cold turkey. Best read the literature and Krauser also has some online footage material that he sells.

Why perfect for introverted men? Because you are instantly one on one with one girl, her shields during the day are way down, most men don't approach during the day, it feeds into her romantic "just happened" tropes etc. Most introverts have not nearly the same trouble when talking to a girl one on one, when her friends and no one else is around. Better to focus on that.

4. Go lifting, do squats - more testosterone will help and you will get rid of that no-fap energy

5. Learn about the psychology of women - Rationalmale.com Rollo Tomassi works - he has not only the blog, but books and audio-books. This will help you understand women far better.

6. There are also a few other aspects and it depends on how far away you are from doing well. It would help if you invited men with Game to go out with you - even a Daygame session together. That way you get pointers and see someone in action. That guy will also tell you on what to work on.

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If what you say is true and girls occasionally approach you, then you are not ugly or too short. That means that all you need is to learn Game, become a no-fapper, enjoy the company of women.

It is better to be a Leonardo DiCaprio MGTOW than a basement dwelling anime-porn MGTOW if that is your desire in life.

Throwing money at the problem is not going to make girls attracted to you for long. You can attract a wife with cash alone, but you cannot have her stay attracted to you as a man, you cannot have her want to stay with you. Especially if you have extreme social anxiety then money is not going to cut it alone. Money is good as an amplifier of your ability to attract women.

(Some men become rich because they are self-confident doers and those characteristics are attractive to women. Also success makes men more self-confident, but the scores of high-end escorts clearly tell the truth of the matter - most men including truly rich men don't know anything on how to truly attract women.)

[RichardTheFrog]

What does that say?

You realize we speak English right?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Bot.

[Transsimian]

(06-13-2017 03:08 AM)RichardTheFrog Wrote:  

What does that say?

You realize we speak English right?

According to Google Translate

Thien find a boyfriend to share in Dak Lak

19 years old, residing in Dak Lak, Searching
Height: 163 cm
Weight: 50 kg Level: Other
Marriage: Not married Income: 4,000,000 - 7,000,000 (200-300usd)
Children: No children Education: Graduated from high school
Ethnic: Tell you later Housing: Live with your parents

[Transsimian]

Actually the spambot has a point.

Why not Vietnam?

You are tall by Vietnamese standards, and money counts for a lot there.

They are more forgiving of soft game, and many people say they make great wives.

Just be careful of scammers.

[RichardTheFrog]

(06-13-2017 03:28 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  

Actually the spambot has a point.

Why not Vietnam?

You are tall by Vietnamese standards, and money counts for a lot there.

They are more forgiving of soft game, and many people say they make great wives.

Just be careful of scammers.

I actually have two local Asian girls that I'm talking to right now. I don't plan to do anything serious with them. I met them both online. They are fairly attractive and down to fuck.

They didn't really ask for money. One just asked me for a minor gift of perfume, which I thought was reasonable.

Those girls are gold-diggers, too. Don't let their sweet persona fool you.

[Chris Brown]

If you are going to buy girls gifts to get laid you might as well fuck escorts. It is less of a hassle and cheaper in the long run.

[RichardTheFrog]

(06-13-2017 05:07 AM)Chris Brown Wrote:  

If you are going to buy girls gifts to get laid you might as well fuck escorts. It is less of a hassle and cheaper in the long run.

Nah a little $30 gift to show her that I "care," just to get in the door. Then, after I fuck her once, she'll fuck anytime I want until I get bored of her.

She would probably do it for free if I just told her I forgot it.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-12-2017 04:06 PM)Savemham Lincoln Wrote:  

(06-12-2017 03:26 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

Lol these guys don't want to hear the cold, hard truth.

It's always unproven anecdotes or one-off stories where there's always more than meets the eye. On the other hand there's countless scientific studies that confirm wealth *itself* attracts women. Science wins.


Come back to reality now.

This is a result of money with zero game. "Moreki" means buyer i.e. provider. This was taken by a hot girl who works at one of the swankiest clubs in my city. Note the group of only women right behind him.

Great input - Moreki should become a new Manosphere term - the BetaBucks trying to get laid kind of thing.

[RichardTheFrog]

(06-13-2017 06:37 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(06-12-2017 04:06 PM)Savemham Lincoln Wrote:  

(06-12-2017 03:26 PM)BossOfBosses Wrote:  

Lol these guys don't want to hear the cold, hard truth.

It's always unproven anecdotes or one-off stories where there's always more than meets the eye. On the other hand there's countless scientific studies that confirm wealth *itself* attracts women. Science wins.


Come back to reality now.

This is a result of money with zero game. "Moreki" means buyer i.e. provider. This was taken by a hot girl who works at one of the swankiest clubs in my city. Note the group of only women right behind him.

Great input - Moreki should become a new Manosphere term - the BetaBucks trying to get laid kind of thing.

But I think it's just as extreme an example as "the guy who lives in his mom's basement and smokes pot all day but totally fucks HB9's all day."

Do these people exist in reality, or are they unicorns or caricatures?

[Ouroboros]

(06-12-2017 10:12 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

There is a great SA thread in the private section, you need more posts before you can access it.

How many posts do you need before you can access the private section? Is there a minimum number of rep points too?

I've seen several references to the private forum but I've never seen a mention of what is required to access it...

[rudebwoy]

350 posts I believe

[Baphomet]

(06-12-2017 02:21 PM)crdr Wrote:  

I'm a newb. This is like arguing religion. It's going nowhere.

Can somebody please explain why all the rich guys got hot chicks and all broke guys I see in grocery stores have hogs for girlfriends?

This seems like a real popular topic...

I would say guys exaggerate their success with women more than we exaggerate our money.

These manosphere guys show no evidence their advice works. No photos with chicks. Let alone photos of themselves. These guys' blogs are soft.

Rich guy with game will out compete and out last any broke guy with game. OP: Needs to re-focus his priorities from material wants to intangible needs aka
Confidence, Self-Worth and Purpose

Photos with chicks are not always proof that "Rich guys get Hot Women."

Note ------

   

[crdr]

(06-13-2017 09:25 AM)Baphomet Wrote:  

(06-12-2017 02:21 PM)crdr Wrote:  

I'm a newb. This is like arguing religion. It's going nowhere.

Can somebody please explain why all the rich guys got hot chicks and all broke guys I see in grocery stores have hogs for girlfriends?

This seems like a real popular topic...

I would say guys exaggerate their success with women more than we exaggerate our money.

These manosphere guys show no evidence their advice works. No photos with chicks. Let alone photos of themselves. These guys' blogs are soft.

Rich guy with game will out compete and out last any broke guy with game. OP: Needs to re-focus his priorities from material wants to intangible needs aka
Confidence, Self-Worth and Purpose

Photos with chicks are not always proof that "Rich guys get Hot Women."

Note ------

Everyone knows that Fortune 500 CEOs marry low maintenance spouses who will mother their children. Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, you name a WEALTHY or POWERFUL man, he's mostly got a motherly wife and a young side thing. Jeff Bezos wife isn't that bad. But this is nothing new... For every Wealthy man with a so-so wife. I can show you an Athlete who doesn't have an army of salaried employees, expenses and corporate taxes to balance, who needs to be seen with a beautiful woman. Tom Brady for instance or any Pro Hockey Player... I have NOTHING against Game. I just have a renaissance view and approach to it. I have chosen to pursue Game and Wealth...

[rudebwoy]

Zuckerberg wife is a tranny, her head is bigger than his.