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Roosh and Others on Direct Game
08-31-2011, 05:06 PM
I look forward to the release of Roosh's new Day Game book, particularly his comparisons of Day Game and Night Game strategy. In particular, I recently noticed some interesting similarities across advocates of direct game. To clarify, the Mystery Method and Neil Strauss approach emphasizes indirect game (opinion openers, false time constraint, negs). Roosh agrees indirect game is often superior:
Direct vs. Indirect Game.
But Roosh acknowledges many indirect guys have no chance of getting laid.
Clown Game
Alan Roger Currie's "Mode One" is a direct, sexual approach. A similar kino escalation approach is 60 Years of Challenge. Despite his recent shooting conviction and frightening appearance, Gunwitch sensitively espoused similar direct game (especially Gunwitch Method 1).
Gunwitch Method 1
Gunwitch Method 2
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Roosh and Others on Direct Game
08-31-2011, 07:29 PM
Quote: (08-31-2011 05:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:
I criticized overly high-energy approaches ... .
indirect is superior for the "average" guy ... .
I use direct game occasionally at night ... .
Sorry to mischaracterize you or revive a tedious direct/indirect debate. I think your point is that misunderstanding or misapplying the concepts will render either approach ineffective. In the wrong contexts, indirect approachers become dancing monkeys, while direct approachers trigger defenses that prevent comfort or rapport.
Quote: (07-16-2011 09:56 AM)Roosh Wrote:
he mixes things up. If you're going to do mainly cocky and funny, then you should stay indirect. If you're going direct, you should lean more towards charming/smooth/James Bond. It's like he's learned so many schools of PUA that he just wants to do everything ... like mixing oil and water. It's jarring.
While your
tactics are often indirect (openers, aloofness, noncompliance), your motivation, mental state, and persistent
strategy are pretty direct.
No-Dating Challenge
You Still Need Game to Bang Whores (Persistence)
Instead of an inflexible approach, your work is distinguished by a thoughtful understanding of why you should use different tools in different situations.
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Roosh and Others on Direct Game
08-31-2011, 08:48 PM
Going indirect doesn't mean being a dancing monkey. Physical escalation and isolation keeps you from being a mere entertainer - the girl will refuse or accept your advances. If she continually refuses them, you walk. There is no dire need to state your intentions.
Indirect game is essential in sensitive circumstances. If you don't go direct, anything short of going for the kiss can be dismissed as harmless flirting. Imagine hitting on a coworker, a girl in your social circle, or an acquaintance's girlfriend... there may be bad repercussions if you go direct and she says no. If you go indirect, and casually invite her for a night out and she demurs, you won't suffer.
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Roosh and Others on Direct Game
08-31-2011, 09:06 PM
Thats what I think. Indirect is better in sensitive situations but cold situations, direct is mostly likely more effective in more random situations. Then again, i'm a pro-direct guy.
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Roosh and Others on Direct Game
08-31-2011, 09:24 PM
Since this isn't the newbie forum, why not just start a post saying, "I used direct game tactic x, y, and z. I got laid/blown out."
Otherwise, it seems like a newbie question. Guys who are running game knows what works for them/us.
Most of the time, I'm total caveman direct. I hit a dance floor. Look a girl who gives me the eye, and I start grinding up on her. If she grinds back, I make out within 10 minutes. I isolate within 30-45 minutes. THen I try getting her out within 2 hours.
My experience doesn't mean that direct game is better or worse. It just means it works for me in certain circumstances. And since I've done my caveman move dozens of times, I speak from experience and thus don't need to preach dogma or ask what works "better."
Honestly, though, if you're asking such questions, you're a newbie - which means you shouldn't be overthinking these issues. You should just do what you're told. That sounds dickish in an "everyone's opinion matters," self-esteem society. But it's true. If you can't go out TONIGHT, and have a better than 50% chance of getting laid by at least a 6, then you should just do what successful people tell you to do. After a while, you'll realize why questions like these are sorta tiresome.