[Malo]

testos111, that's a good decision imo.

Aussie and Kiwi girls normally shun upon Asians (due to them having a very large amount of Asian immigrants there). Even if you have good game you're going upstream. Also Auckland isn't really the best of what NZ has to offer, to say the least.

You didn't make a defeatist decision, you made a smart one. Very big difference there.

[IronShark]

I've been in India for a month and I see your pain. Go anywhere, really doesn't matter. Just leave that country

[Haly08]

(09-28-2017 10:30 AM)IronShark Wrote:  

I've been in India for a month and I see your pain. Go anywhere, really doesn't matter. Just leave that country

Please can you tell us about your recent experiences over there?

[augen sehen]

I have one tip. Look outside the Anglosphere. Don't be afraid to learn a new language. Yeah, it won't be hard, especially at 30 years old, but it's not impossible either. Since you're asking this on RVF and not reddit, I'm assuming you have a nominal interest in getting laid. With decent-looking girls.

As an Indian immigrant in Canada or NZ you are going to be getting the dregs if you are a typical guy. No offense since I don't know you personally, you could be a rockstar for all I know.

However, if you are looking to cling to an Indian support network, Canada, NZ, Australia and of course the US are better options.

[testos111]

(10-03-2017 04:04 PM)augen sehen Wrote:  

I have one tip. Look outside the Anglosphere. Don't be afraid to learn a new language. Yeah, it won't be hard, especially at 30 years old, but it's not impossible either. Since you're asking this on RVF and not reddit, I'm assuming you have a nominal interest in getting laid. With decent-looking girls.

As an Indian immigrant in Canada or NZ you are going to be getting the dregs if you are a typical guy. No offense since I don't know you personally, you could be a rockstar for all I know.

However, if you are looking to cling to an Indian support network, Canada, NZ, Australia and of course the US are better options.

Outside the Anglosphere, I did some research on the SA countries and the only countries offering PR are very small and economically backward. Also, comofort matters a lot to me after spedning 30 years in India and I feel those countries won't be an upgrade on the overall lifestyle that the Anglosphere offers.

Europe - Somehow never liked it. I really don't know why. The dark and past-like look there somehow turns me off. I never liked old-looking buildings. Might be completely wrong though.

UK - Way too many Indians/Pakis there. Shit weather + They've anyway tightened the immigration policy big time.

US - Almost impossible for an Indian now unless you are in IT or medical and a very good one at that too. Most of my friends in US are now in a tight spot now and are working crazy hours to impress their employers to stand out from the crowd.

Canada - I'll be trying for Canada through Express entry. The weather and the sheer amount of Indians is a bit of a turn off for me. But the flexibility and ease of getting a PR is what is very attractive. Probably the easiest country for an Indian to migrate to.

Australia - Their PR system is stricter than Canada and max points go to people with a similar education background and work ex and again, heavily favored towards IT/Accounting/Medical.

SEA - It's the only part of the world I've extensively travelled and unlike many here, I hated it. I like Asian chicks a lot but only the westernised ones who can speak good english and are open. The type of ones you find in the west.

Middle East/Dubai - No way in hell.

That pretty much leaves me with NZ and I really love the look of that country. Visiting there this month end to see the reality. Will be taking a decision after that.

The thing is that I have a super comfortable life in India thanks to my business. But I hate the place because of numerous reasons that I've mentioned in another thread. So I want to make sure where ever I move is the place I can really settle in and live a peaceful life. Cannot afford another mistake. So taking my time. Work is more important to me than girls and my ideal life would be able to contiune my exisiting business in a western country. It's the only goal I have now.

Also, I'm confident of pulling this off because as far as my looks are concerned, I don't look Indian at all . Most people even here mistake me for an Iranian/Persian due to my light skin, sharp features and athletic body. Also i'm extremely open minded to and easily fit into any culture. In fact one of the reasons I want to get the hell out of India is because I feel people lack these traits and are not adaptable at all. They are firmly stuck in the past and I feel it's the only country in the world where technology has progressed but people have remained exactly the same. It's almost scary to see people pass off weird ancient rituals and customs in the name of culture.

Just come here and see a typical Indian wedding. If you can manage to look at the face of a woman (the bride) covered in 789 layers of makeup and not throw-up and instead call her "pretty and beautiful" instead of "ugly beyond measure", you've passed the acid test to live in India.

[testos111]

I don't know what you guys keep complaining about western women and all.

I just returned from my trip to Auckland and fell in love with this place and the women there. I found them very attractive and witty too. Bedded a british girl who lives there.

Maybe it's just that my level is way too low being from India so it's all relative.

But after visiting this place which hardly gets a mention on this forum, I'm beginning to think that either most people here are crazy perfectionists or maybe it's me who is satisfied with average.

[wannable alpha]

Testos111, you and I seem to be in similar positions (age, location, plans/dreams for the life that we want etc).

I have lived in the U.S. for a few years so I know what I am missing out here in India. And like you, I think NZ can be an easy place to get in so do share the details on what your plans are and how you are going about fulfilling them.

My plan is to earn enough money to visit EE or SA for a few months every year since getting a PR in NZ, AUS or Canada seems hard and also the fact that even after going there it will still be a struggle to get a house etc (not 20 anymore so have to think long term as well!)

[kosko]

OP - you're wise for checking out each place for a vacation to get a sense of the area.

You'll likely pick Vancouver to be honest as Auckland is a deadline and NZ girls are ugly.

You're coming to Canada so be mindful of our immigration rules with employment. It doesn't matter if you have an MBa and experience as Canadian companies shield locals from foreign worker competition via "Canadian Experience". Many companies, if they don't see you have experience to Canada won't hire you unless in special situations where they need your skillet. So be prepared to sell cellphones or pour coffee. You have s good chance of being underemployed and in Vancouver which is one of the more pricey cities in the West things may get tight.

My advice is work now to get on with a multinational that does lots of work in Canada. Get on with them and work for one year at least and attempt to transfer to Canada, or use that experience to as leverage when you come over to show employees you have "Canadian Experience".

[Cambodian Creamsicle]

Canadian companies don't shield locals from foreign workers. Canadian companies are filled with immigrants. They're in the business of making money like companies from every other country in the world. What they're worried about is employing someone who doesn't have the same competency as a local. Education and experience is generally best acquired in the West. Hiring someone with 10 years experience in the Kenyan oil industry with an MBA from Nairobi may not be equivalent to hiring someone from Alberta with equal levels of experience / education. Also, hiring foreigners often requires money and time in sponsorships.

Ultimately they're looking to get the best bang for their buck.

[kosko]

(11-26-2017 01:55 PM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  

Canadian companies don't shield locals from foreign workers. Canadian companies are filled with immigrants. They're in the business of making money like companies from every other country in the world. What they're worried about is employing someone who doesn't have the same competency as a local. Education and experience is generally best acquired in the West. Hiring someone with 10 years experience in the Kenyan oil industry with an MBA from Nairobi may not be equivalent to hiring someone from Alberta with equal levels of experience / education. Also, hiring foreigners often requires money and time in sponsorships.

Ultimately they're looking to get the best bang for their buck.

You don't get in the door without education and merrit unless your a family sponsor entry. Immigrants are routinely discriminated against as many come from top schools from abroad with years or even decades of experience. The Kenyan you describe studies at a top school in his home country and at a UK school and worked on projects for BP, and Shell. He comes to Canada and they make him work at Tim Hortons because he has no "Canadian Experience" even though he is more skilled than many of his Canadian peers. I have to disagree with your statement because there are far too many examples of this here in Canada.

Local Canadians simply can't compete. We are the most educated nation in the OECD and we flop around with a lethargic GOVT heavy underperforming economy. Something obviously does not match up. Many of our best flee the nation for more lucrative situations, you're likely one of those who fled to greener pastures yourself.

Canadians are not as productive as they should be and a equal educated immigrant with the same training would run laps around regular Canadians (also would be willing to work for less). The "Canadian Experience" trap is a protection policy to protect Canadian labour that would be replaced overnight with our skilled immigrant pool.

[Cambodian Creamsicle]

Of course you don't get in the door without experience and merit. That was my point. A lot of education and experience from foreign countries doesn't measure up to Canadian standards.

In your original post you said, "It doesn't matter if you have an MBa and experience as Canadian companies shield locals from foreign worker competition via "Canadian Experience"." Then you follow that up by saying, "You don't get in the door without education and merrit unless your a family sponsor entry". Which is it?

Local Canadians can compete. I work with both Canadians and immigrants every day and more often than not, if I was the employer, I'd take the Canadians. I agree some can be unproductive but overwhelmingly they aren't, especially in the current economic conditions.

The only reason an immigrant is more attractive than locals is money, and that includes their willingness to work more (which translates into money).

There is no protection policy. Of course employers would rather hire Canadians because they fit into the corporate culture better and they just generally want to put their countries interests first all else being equal. Canada imports 250,000 (mostly non western) immigrants every year in a country of 35,000,000. There's no shortage of immigrants.

[testos111]

(11-26-2017 03:42 AM)wannable alpha Wrote:  

Testos111, you and I seem to be in similar positions (age, location, plans/dreams for the life that we want etc).

I have lived in the U.S. for a few years so I know what I am missing out here in India. And like you, I think NZ can be an easy place to get in so do share the details on what your plans are and how you are going about fulfilling them.

My plan is to earn enough money to visit EE or SA for a few months every year since getting a PR in NZ, AUS or Canada seems hard and also the fact that even after going there it will still be a struggle to get a house etc (not 20 anymore so have to think long term as well!)

Getting a PR to Canada is pretty easy actually since they don't bother about your experience too much, unlike Australia. You basically need to get a good score in the IELTS exam and you're pretty much set, epsecially if you have a masters degree.

The problem is the loss of comfort when you shift there. The weather coupled with the work realted problems for immigrants as highlighted by the two gentlemen above is what is difficult.

If I had nothing going on for me work wise here in India, I would not have even thought twice. But I have a very comfotable business here so that has put me in a dilemma.

That's why I'm visiting these places first. Just got done with Auckland and I really liked the place. I would suggest you do the same. Save up some dough and travel to a few countries. I've already done most of SEA before and will be visiting Philippines this Jan and then maybe Vancouver too.

[wannable alpha]

Testos111, would you be willing to share the cost details? How long were you there, what did you do and how much did it cost you?

From what I have read, any major EE city would be cheaper than Auckland and probably more fun. The only advantage to Auckland would be that language would be no barrier (hail the British Raj!).

[testos111]

(11-26-2017 11:40 PM)wannable alpha Wrote:  

Testos111, would you be willing to share the cost details? How long were you there, what did you do and how much did it cost you?

From what I have read, any major EE city would be cheaper than Auckland and probably more fun. The only advantage to Auckland would be that language would be no barrier (hail the British Raj!).

EE I haven't a clue since I'm pretty sure I only wanna move to an English speaking country or a country where English is spoken fluently. Language is huge for me.

Auckland was pretty expensive and cost me around 1.5 lakhs including tickets and stay and I was only there for 9 days. I stayed in a single room. If I had chosen a hostel, it would have been somewhere around 1.2.

SEA can be done easily under 60k. Bangkok even less than 45k and no visa issues there for Indians.

[CodyB]

Auckland is wonderful to visit. Nice harbour, nice food, some cool attractions.

It's a terrible place to live. You have been told.

[ThirdWorldRising]

Yo homie, don't listen to these White brosefs. They know nothing and are keen to keep their place in a fast everchanging world so will talk shit.

I'm Indian born and bred and living in Sydney. Aussie women from Sydney are posh as fuck and are FINE. They are incredibly friendly, almost every Aussie girl I've introduced myself to have been fascinated with the fact that I'm Indian and the sheer number of foreigners in this city is dizzying. Perhaps if you go outside the big cities it gets to shit but there is no reason to do so.

Come on down under, it's quite the melting pot

[testos111]

I agree with you. I really don't understand the hatred towards western women on this forum. I've ALWAYS had a nice experience with them. They are so sexually liberal, down-to-earth and always fun to be with. I don't think I've ever come across a racist white girl ever. All have always been nice to me. Maybe it's a different ball game when you are actually living there so can't really comment for sure. My cousin just recently fucked off to Belgium after marrying this Belgian girl who was working in India and he's having the time of his life. I think it's case of grass always being greener on the other side and that you ultimately don't value what is available readily.