Toronto "If you must" Data Sheet 2017
I went to Madison on a Thursday (2 weeks ago), the dancefloor ratio was like 15 guys for every girl, very young crowd. The piano bar is bullshit since it felt more like social circles. Quality was bad!
I'm new in Toronto so I'm still trying to figure out the best places.
I'm new in Toronto so I'm still trying to figure out the best places.
I hate the Madison for everything you just said
Quote: (06-10-2017 09:48 AM)Rekkd Wrote:
I went to Madison on a Thursday (2 weeks ago), the dancefloor ratio was like 15 guys for every girl, very young crowd. The piano bar is bullshit since it felt more like social circles. Quality was bad!
I'm new in Toronto so I'm still trying to figure out the best places.
My experience at the Maddy has been similar.
What places have you checked out so far?
I went to Rebel last Saturday, I was alone so this wasn't the best place for that. I found bottle service worked wonders here, that's why you have tables all over the place. I couldn't move in the dancefloor which is where I usually do most of my approaches. I tried talking to some girls walking around but most of them were usually holding hands with their girlfriends and had that look on their faces like they're searching for an exit to escape the maze. Alot of eye contact tho, and girls were nice when I approached. Overall, nice place to go with friends but not to get pussy in my opinion.
I went to Bar244, got makeouts and alot of grinding from beautiful girls but never pulled. I was going to bring a 19 year old Canadian girl home with me but her phone was stolen after I spent most of my time on her that night. Girls come in groups, there is always a fat bitch waiting to cockblock you. Ratio is terrible, but no competition rly since the guys are ugly, dress like shit and have no game. Reminds me of Mckibbins in Montreal.
I tried crocodile rock, not my cup of tea.
I haven't tried the clubs on King West yet, but walking there at night during the weekend I saw some crazy talent. I think being alone is hard to get into these places but I'm pretty sure I would do well there. Starting next weekend I'm going to be hitting these clubs to see which one is best.
I'm more of a club type of guy, so I don't really like going to pubs and bars.
Alot of Asian/Indian girls in clubs here, it's something that pisses me off since I don't like them at all.
I went to Bar244, got makeouts and alot of grinding from beautiful girls but never pulled. I was going to bring a 19 year old Canadian girl home with me but her phone was stolen after I spent most of my time on her that night. Girls come in groups, there is always a fat bitch waiting to cockblock you. Ratio is terrible, but no competition rly since the guys are ugly, dress like shit and have no game. Reminds me of Mckibbins in Montreal.
I tried crocodile rock, not my cup of tea.
I haven't tried the clubs on King West yet, but walking there at night during the weekend I saw some crazy talent. I think being alone is hard to get into these places but I'm pretty sure I would do well there. Starting next weekend I'm going to be hitting these clubs to see which one is best.
I'm more of a club type of guy, so I don't really like going to pubs and bars.
Alot of Asian/Indian girls in clubs here, it's something that pisses me off since I don't like them at all.
Rekkd do you have an accent? That will kill your chances with Toronto white girls. You may have better luck with ethnic/foreign women.
I went to Rebel on a Saturday a few months back. Logistically it's terrible for quick pulls. Where are you going to take her? They also play EDM, so a lot of girls are tripping and just there for the music.
Big groups are a fact of life in Toronto bars and nightclubs with a student crowd. Went to a bar with a young crowd last night and there were literally no girls in pairs out of 50-60.
King West has talent but you'll see the same dynamic - lots of bottles, booths, tables and girls celebrating birthdays/bachelorettes and taking pics for Insta. Not a lot of grinding or making out unless it's a guy she came with.
They're good in that they balance out the ratios and preventing bars/clubs from becoming sausagefests with guarded girls. I recall you complaining about Montreal clubs being sausagefests - there's a huge black and Arab population in Montreal (relative to Toronto) and black/Arab girls don't go out as much as Arab/Black guys (Asians girls go out more than Asian guys). They're bad in that they take up space - most are not as DTF as white girls in my experience.
I went to Rebel on a Saturday a few months back. Logistically it's terrible for quick pulls. Where are you going to take her? They also play EDM, so a lot of girls are tripping and just there for the music.
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I went to Bar244, got makeouts and alot of grinding from beautiful girls but never pulled. I was going to bring a 19 year old Canadian girl home with me but her phone was stolen after I spent most of my time on her that night. Girls come in groups, there is always a fat bitch waiting to cockblock you. Ratio is terrible, but no competition rly since the guys are ugly, dress like shit and have no game. Reminds me of Mckibbins in Montreal.
Big groups are a fact of life in Toronto bars and nightclubs with a student crowd. Went to a bar with a young crowd last night and there were literally no girls in pairs out of 50-60.
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I haven't tried the clubs on King West yet, but walking there at night during the weekend I saw some crazy talent. I think being alone is hard to get into these places but I'm pretty sure I would do well there. Starting next weekend I'm going to be hitting these clubs to see which one is best.
King West has talent but you'll see the same dynamic - lots of bottles, booths, tables and girls celebrating birthdays/bachelorettes and taking pics for Insta. Not a lot of grinding or making out unless it's a guy she came with.
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Alot of Asian/Indian girls in clubs here, it's something that pisses me off since I don't like them at all.
They're good in that they balance out the ratios and preventing bars/clubs from becoming sausagefests with guarded girls. I recall you complaining about Montreal clubs being sausagefests - there's a huge black and Arab population in Montreal (relative to Toronto) and black/Arab girls don't go out as much as Arab/Black guys (Asians girls go out more than Asian guys). They're bad in that they take up space - most are not as DTF as white girls in my experience.
I don't have an accent, then which places would you suggest are good?
@gymbro a bit over 5'10"
Bar 244 can be good for sure. Croc rock Wednesday's are normally decent. But with everything you guys are describing as negatives sounds exactly like 1am. At 11pm the girls are all chatting on their own. Put my on the Gracie's dance floor at 1am and I'm useless. I'd rather grab a pitcher and camp out on the table directly at the entrance.. Or chat girls up on the sidewalk outside. You absolutely need to make moves early at these college bars.. when Toronto guys are being their natural beta selfs. Otherwise the frat guys get drunk and it's too late.
Of course the ones I recommended were for the younger 19-22 year old girls. Personally I prefer little Italy or ossington street. But the bars there aren't exactly loaded with talent, you just have to be the one who goes home with one of the small amount of cute girls at the bar. Put me in a bar with 20 people 13/7 guys to girls and 2 cute girls and I like my chances still.
Bar 244 can be good for sure. Croc rock Wednesday's are normally decent. But with everything you guys are describing as negatives sounds exactly like 1am. At 11pm the girls are all chatting on their own. Put my on the Gracie's dance floor at 1am and I'm useless. I'd rather grab a pitcher and camp out on the table directly at the entrance.. Or chat girls up on the sidewalk outside. You absolutely need to make moves early at these college bars.. when Toronto guys are being their natural beta selfs. Otherwise the frat guys get drunk and it's too late.
Of course the ones I recommended were for the younger 19-22 year old girls. Personally I prefer little Italy or ossington street. But the bars there aren't exactly loaded with talent, you just have to be the one who goes home with one of the small amount of cute girls at the bar. Put me in a bar with 20 people 13/7 guys to girls and 2 cute girls and I like my chances still.
There is no need to spin you wheels at tourist trap bars or student bars. Places like Bar244 are only good for Tourist broads, or during the school year to hunt student. Tourist girls have there value in many situations but for your situation you need to hit up high quality local girls. Gotta ditch those weak venues.
For @Rekked, who is new to town, you just gotta stop wasting time and just hit up the Drake Hotel. The Drake is the best baseline/mean venue in Toronto. You get crowds of all types and, essentially, three different venues in one place. Go there on Saturday with DJ spinning Hip-Hop on the main room and then report back.
For me, I am just curious. No man ever has been able to say that Toronto is better for women versus Montreal. I think with time the warts of the city will start to show. As for now though, enjoy the good weather. Lots of sexy girls out and about with little clothing, my neck hurts already just from walking around downtown today.
For @Rekked, who is new to town, you just gotta stop wasting time and just hit up the Drake Hotel. The Drake is the best baseline/mean venue in Toronto. You get crowds of all types and, essentially, three different venues in one place. Go there on Saturday with DJ spinning Hip-Hop on the main room and then report back.
For me, I am just curious. No man ever has been able to say that Toronto is better for women versus Montreal. I think with time the warts of the city will start to show. As for now though, enjoy the good weather. Lots of sexy girls out and about with little clothing, my neck hurts already just from walking around downtown today.
Thanks for the apt advice Kosko. Hopefully within a year I'll make the switch, although I'd like to be as close to the "Entertainment district" as possible, in terms of walking or a quick cab ride. Case in point, while I headed back to 905 Sunday night, my good friend was walking back to his condo from WF with this hot 20 something white Antiguan (I've never met a white person from Antigua) for a 1 night romp. Lucky bastard,lol.
Funny you mention I was going to hit Drake tonight, but bringing this girl unfortunately. That place gets real packed!
Cabana season has started, if you live DT I think it's easier to swoop women from there during the day, than when it's Rebel at night. Some girls still want to party or drink after there.
Have seen it happen too many times with my friend that lives down there.
Funny you mention I was going to hit Drake tonight, but bringing this girl unfortunately. That place gets real packed!
Cabana season has started, if you live DT I think it's easier to swoop women from there during the day, than when it's Rebel at night. Some girls still want to party or drink after there.
Have seen it happen too many times with my friend that lives down there.
I'll try the Drake tonight, will report back tomorrow or so
I am lukewarm on Cabana. It is a smart venue for the Toronto market and it does well. But its like in Vegas you go brain dead and hungover to the pool bars and then go back to the hotel and eat and nap for a bit before you go out and get lit until like 4am. Plus everybody is close by, you make plans with a girl at Wynn and go back south onto the Strip to The Cosmo or some shit, all good.
Cabana a different breed. You meet some girl there and she from Orangeville or some shit far away. You gotta entertain her (and her friends) for like 8 damn hours. After Cabana everybody going to want food, then you gotta figure out where to go for the night. I don't like "Day clubs" for this exact reason and it is not logical to swoop from a day club to the bedroom like it is at night time.
So what you get, is just all the trappings of night time .. bottles, booths, ego, etc but with worse logistics at play and a flow that does not lead into the bedroom like getting out at the bar at 2am does.
Cabana would be a good spot to build up a large database of numbers and lead and try to hit them hard for that night or the next night that weekend. I would like to hear if folks have had success with that place. I just have not been big on daytime parties as I don't have the stamina to do all day and all night like that.
Cabana a different breed. You meet some girl there and she from Orangeville or some shit far away. You gotta entertain her (and her friends) for like 8 damn hours. After Cabana everybody going to want food, then you gotta figure out where to go for the night. I don't like "Day clubs" for this exact reason and it is not logical to swoop from a day club to the bedroom like it is at night time.
So what you get, is just all the trappings of night time .. bottles, booths, ego, etc but with worse logistics at play and a flow that does not lead into the bedroom like getting out at the bar at 2am does.
Cabana would be a good spot to build up a large database of numbers and lead and try to hit them hard for that night or the next night that weekend. I would like to hear if folks have had success with that place. I just have not been big on daytime parties as I don't have the stamina to do all day and all night like that.
I went after midnight so I was very late. I approached the first girl that made eye contact, for some reason she left for her friends and kept dancing the rest of the night with them. I made a second approach, a soviet looking woman but wasn't successful.. I wasn't into it because she was older. I made a third approach upstairs, a group of blonde girls looked like they are from the suburbs.. Rejected me nicely and everyone else, then they approached a group of black dudes and started grinding and dancing with them. I left early.
Went to pizza pizza, ate a slice and drank a can of ice tea. Walked out noticed the girls that were sitting next to me were looking at me. So I lit a cigarette, then they came out and one asked for a cigarette ofc it was the indian in the group lool, gave her one they started chatting with me and her friend kept saying she wants your number but I ignored that. So they left, and then the indian and one of her friends came back and asked me for my number for real this time, gave it to her but won't be hitting that for sure.
While walking home, an ugly latina says hi to me in the street and asks if I was at the club she was at. I said no, she started to walk with me and chat, but I ain't fuckin ugly bitches! Left her after a while.
Back to The Drake, the place was packed with dicks, the women here were on average older (27-40) didn't like that, alot of Indian chicks hate that too. The quality of girls was the lowest I've seen till now in Toronto, I think its a place for older men like 30+. The beautiful girls came with their guys and just another overhyped place in my opinion.
Might give it another try with some alcohol and getting there before 11. Bouncers were nice, place is clean except downstairs.
Found the quality in King West to be soooo much better, atleast worth the effort.
Went to pizza pizza, ate a slice and drank a can of ice tea. Walked out noticed the girls that were sitting next to me were looking at me. So I lit a cigarette, then they came out and one asked for a cigarette ofc it was the indian in the group lool, gave her one they started chatting with me and her friend kept saying she wants your number but I ignored that. So they left, and then the indian and one of her friends came back and asked me for my number for real this time, gave it to her but won't be hitting that for sure.
While walking home, an ugly latina says hi to me in the street and asks if I was at the club she was at. I said no, she started to walk with me and chat, but I ain't fuckin ugly bitches! Left her after a while.
Back to The Drake, the place was packed with dicks, the women here were on average older (27-40) didn't like that, alot of Indian chicks hate that too. The quality of girls was the lowest I've seen till now in Toronto, I think its a place for older men like 30+. The beautiful girls came with their guys and just another overhyped place in my opinion.
Might give it another try with some alcohol and getting there before 11. Bouncers were nice, place is clean except downstairs.
Found the quality in King West to be soooo much better, atleast worth the effort.
Quote: (06-10-2017 03:55 PM)kosko Wrote:
There is no need to spin you wheels at tourist trap bars or student bars. Places like Bar244 are only good for Tourist broads, or during the school year to hunt student. Tourist girls have there value in many situations but for your situation you need to hit up high quality local girls. Gotta ditch those weak venues.
For @Rekked, who is new to town, you just gotta stop wasting time and just hit up the Drake Hotel. The Drake is the best baseline/mean venue in Toronto. You get crowds of all types and, essentially, three different venues in one place. Go there on Saturday with DJ spinning Hip-Hop on the main room and then report back.
For me, I am just curious. No man ever has been able to say that Toronto is better for women versus Montreal. I think with time the warts of the city will start to show. As for now though, enjoy the good weather. Lots of sexy girls out and about with little clothing, my neck hurts already just from walking around downtown today.
Comparing Montreal to Toronto is insane.
Toronto is way better for womens , the attitude that Montreal have and the competition that you have in Montreal makes Toronto way better. i would even not compare those two citcies so much that the gap is big.
The best looking guys in Toronto clubs will usually feel average to ugly in Montreal.Also you feel like Toronto girls do more efforts to get guys attention , dance more slutty...
Quick tip for the Drake- go before 10 and get a stamp, there is no cover and obviously no line. Then you can hit Get Well or some other bars on the Ossington to pregame a bit and maybe meet some girls, then head back to the Drake at midnight or so once it's busier. Also worth dropping in Dog and Bear just down the street, it can be stocked with talent
Quote: (06-11-2017 03:32 AM)casa-nostra Wrote:
Comparing Montreal to Toronto is insane.
Toronto is way better for womens , the attitude that Montreal have and the competition that you have in Montreal makes Toronto way better. i would even not compare those two citcies so much that the gap is big.
The best looking guys in Toronto clubs will usually feel average to ugly in Montreal.Also you feel like Toronto girls do more efforts to get guys attention , dance more slutty...
Is this dependent on race or are you saying all around? I've been to Montreal several times and I always saw better prospects. Are you saying it has deteriorated in the past 5 years? At the end of the day with all these areas, we are talking about how easy is it to get laid as compared to the other? No point saying a place is better because the lizards flirt more because if that's so then nothing beats a strip club if you want flirting..
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Quote: (06-11-2017 03:15 AM)Rekkd Wrote:
I went after midnight so I was very late. I approached the first girl that made eye contact, for some reason she left for her friends and kept dancing the rest of the night with them. I made a second approach, a soviet looking woman but wasn't successful.. I wasn't into it because she was older. I made a third approach upstairs, a group of blonde girls looked like they are from the suburbs.. Rejected me nicely and everyone else, then they approached a group of black dudes and started grinding and dancing with them. I left early.
Went to pizza pizza, ate a slice and drank a can of ice tea. Walked out noticed the girls that were sitting next to me were looking at me. So I lit a cigarette, then they came out and one asked for a cigarette ofc it was the indian in the group lool, gave her one they started chatting with me and her friend kept saying she wants your number but I ignored that. So they left, and then the indian and one of her friends came back and asked me for my number for real this time, gave it to her but won't be hitting that for sure.
While walking home, an ugly latina says hi to me in the street and asks if I was at the club she was at. I said no, she started to walk with me and chat, but I ain't fuckin ugly bitches! Left her after a while.
Back to The Drake, the place was packed with dicks, the women here were on average older (27-40) didn't like that, alot of Indian chicks hate that too. The quality of girls was the lowest I've seen till now in Toronto, I think its a place for older men like 30+. The beautiful girls came with their guys and just another overhyped place in my opinion.
Might give it another try with some alcohol and getting there before 11. Bouncers were nice, place is clean except downstairs.
Found the quality in King West to be soooo much better, atleast worth the effort.
Huh? The Drake Hotel? You do realize there is three floor's and the bottom one typically has a younger crowd. Girls at the Drake are all typically 23-27 with some older ones sprinkles in, yes, but not the extent you claim.
Also, the time line of getting in after midnight, would mean you were in line maybe 30mins at least as lines build there starting at 11-1130pm. The what time did you return back? 1:30am?
All I am saying is be very sure of your field reports because Toronto veterans can see BS a mile away. Also the Indian girl story sounds odd, as why didn't you flip that opening to try and swoop a friend? That late in the night I am throwing gas on it all and going nuclear. You would be surprised as sometimes it was worked. I got a threes one going nuclear on a pack of girls and cockblocking away the dead weight that was straggling along.
Next, thing, is I had a friend there last night and she likes brown and tinted skin dudes. Your details would of been her type. You obviously didn't find her though which is me hunting you didn't spend enough time gaming. Another suggesting is you have to go early. If you want pussy you have to get there at 11pm as girls start rolling 1130pm.
I think you gave up to eary. Sounds like you spend barley an hour running game and then bounced. Getting interactions that to swoops that quick a luck, not game. A prospect is usually 2 hours work and I am aggressive to bounce early.
I think you need to explain what venues you like and the age targets. Drake is a good standard bar in Toronto. Maybe go try The Adsisons which is on Wellington Street if you want to switch it up. If you prefer standard clubs then go to places like that I mentioned or The Citizen.
You have to be clear on venues because it sounds you like tonner girls but you don't like the younger venues so that isn't going to give you want you want.
Quote: (06-10-2017 10:05 PM)kosko Wrote:
I am lukewarm on Cabana. It is a smart venue for the Toronto market and it does well. But its like in Vegas you go brain dead and hungover to the pool bars and then go back to the hotel and eat and nap for a bit before you go out and get lit until like 4am. Plus everybody is close by, you make plans with a girl at Wynn and go back south onto the Strip to The Cosmo or some shit, all good.
Cabana a different breed. You meet some girl there and she from Orangeville or some shit far away. You gotta entertain her (and her friends) for like 8 damn hours. After Cabana everybody going to want food, then you gotta figure out where to go for the night. I don't like "Day clubs" for this exact reason and it is not logical to swoop from a day club to the bedroom like it is at night time.
So what you get, is just all the trappings of night time .. bottles, booths, ego, etc but with worse logistics at play and a flow that does not lead into the bedroom like getting out at the bar at 2am does.
Cabana would be a good spot to build up a large database of numbers and lead and try to hit them hard for that night or the next night that weekend. I would like to hear if folks have had success with that place. I just have not been big on daytime parties as I don't have the stamina to do all day and all night like that.
Truth be told my most enjoyable part of cabana is the table tennis,lol. But I like the concept......on a hot summer day, your mind is taken away from the fact that this city is a total frozen wasteland for half the year and people are hibernating or the ones with $$ are getting the heck out the country for a long duration. I'm not sure where else in GTA or even Canada itself has something like this during the summer.
And at least during the day where nearly all the women are scantily clad you can see the goods upfront with no surprises unlike some of the times at night. Those "Orangeville" types can be pulled, they all live in boring drab small cities and coming here can be big for them, a lot I've found have rented a hotel til Monday. I always see those types usually roll as a duo. Forget getting #s, IG accounts....escalate and try to invite them back on the spot. I like to arrive there later in the afternoon like 4ish and leave like 8-9pm. I can't stay there for more than 4 odd hours without being drained myself...I really hate EDM!
Quote: (06-10-2017 10:20 AM)Rekkd Wrote:
I went to Rebel last Saturday, I was alone so this wasn't the best place for that. I found bottle service worked wonders here, that's why you have tables all over the place. I couldn't move in the dancefloor which is where I usually do most of my approaches. I tried talking to some girls walking around but most of them were usually holding hands with their girlfriends and had that look on their faces like they're searching for an exit to escape the maze. Alot of eye contact tho, and girls were nice when I approached. Overall, nice place to go with friends but not to get pussy in my opinion.
I went to Bar244, got makeouts and alot of grinding from beautiful girls but never pulled. I was going to bring a 19 year old Canadian girl home with me but her phone was stolen after I spent most of my time on her that night. Girls come in groups, there is always a fat bitch waiting to cockblock you. Ratio is terrible, but no competition rly since the guys are ugly, dress like shit and have no game. Reminds me of Mckibbins in Montreal.
I tried crocodile rock, not my cup of tea.
I haven't tried the clubs on King West yet, but walking there at night during the weekend I saw some crazy talent. I think being alone is hard to get into these places but I'm pretty sure I would do well there. Starting next weekend I'm going to be hitting these clubs to see which one is best.
I'm more of a club type of guy, so I don't really like going to pubs and bars.
Alot of Asian/Indian girls in clubs here, it's something that pisses me off since I don't like them at all.
The bimbo cancelled last night and I skipped out on Drake, ended up walking King St W solo and eventually EFS. This "new" Lavalle place (opened last year) had a lineup around the building compared to other venues on the strip despite it only being 11-1115.
But that place strikes me as too posh, a lot of people dressed to the 9s here too. I don't like these too dressy places. I've never actually went there........I can bet it's a lot of people standing/milling around similar to the Thompson rooftop where I always seem to fall asleep from boredom. I wonder what the criteria is to get into that place? Seems like if you're a hot girl, it shouldn't be too much trouble, but as a guy you're probably going "to have to know somebody" or get there at like 10pm
Kosko recommended Addisons but you said you arent fond of pubs/bars which is more what that place is like.
Last night at EFS was meh, now they've opened the upstairs patio....but you have to buy these stupid bottles to get up there. Still this place is a lot more sluttier to me vs like Citizen which I find tacky. Part of the "meh" part was my fault. Some girls I made small talk with earlier in the night were making out with guys that later opened them and stuck like glue,lol. Hardly any cougars outside of the odd bachelorette party ever go there....too young for them.
I have to work at 10am tomorrow morning but fuck it, Wildflower it is tonight...my favourite venue in the city for sluttiness, logistics and dancefloor gaming girls.
I didn't want to start a new thread, so I will give my thoughts on Toronto.
I have partied in other cities around the globe and had a great time. A lot of places are much easier than Toronto, when it comes to girls and having a good time. The only other city I wouldn't mess with is Miami, the standard is very high there and I personally know guys there who are crying.
Night game in Toronto is not easy.
I could list hot bars and clubs, but it doesn't mean you are going to get lucky. The place could be wall to wall chicks and you still could strike out.
The city is also very strange, I have been to spots that were simply off the hook. A week later I return to the same spot and I was like WTF happened.
Every weekend is very hit and miss, so you have to move around a lot and hope you hit one of those magical nights.
Word of advice - get out early and pre drink before the PMS crowd gets on the scene.
Are you ready to battle the club scene?
Moma in one of our podcasts, talked about how he went 0 for 30 in a bar one night.
How many rejections are you willing to take before you call it a night?
How late are you willing to grind it out at night?
Some of my best pulls have been in the early morning, either on the street or a chinese restaurant on Spadina. Sadly, a lot of these chicks love poutine and pizza. So you might have better luck in those spots.
We can all agree that getting numbers isn't a good night.
So when you meet Ms down-for-the-night, where are you going to take her?
Having a pad downtown close to the nightlife is the number one thing that will help you pull girls. Location, location, location is what they teach guys selling real estate. Look at the prices for rent on King St W and you will see why.
I was downtown in Yorkville yesterday, having lunch with a fellow RVFer. The talent wasn't great, in fact I saw more white jiggling cellulite thighs than I care to see. For an area that is suppose to be rich, elite, posh etc, it was very sad. My local suburban mall would have killed it with eye candy.
Which leads me to this, are you guys in good shape?
There are many gyms in this city, so you have no excuse to not be in shape.
Go to a LA fitness and you will see girls in there killing it, like their life depended on being in shape.
If I were new to a city, I would join a gym right away. The nicer the gym the more girls it will attract.
Girls love Crossfit gyms, girls love gyms that have yoga.
I know some girls who have more than one membership at a gym.
With LA fitness you can visit other gyms, I don't work out at LA fitness. lol
Drake Hotel - I never liked this spot, my friends go there quite a bit. For me it is too crammed and the talent isn't that great. It has always been a place that had a lot of dudes.
Madison - As soon as I read a Toronto report that lists this pub/bar, I know straight away the guy is trolling. This spot use to be a RSD/PUA hangout a few years back and had horrible ratios then.
Rebel NightClub/Cabana - both of these places are in the same location.
I have heard Rebel is the hot club now, I have not been and quite frankly don't really care to go. They do have some good acts performing there, so I will "try" to make the effort to check one of them out. Future the rapper was there a few months ago, the place was crawling with chicks.
Cabana - is a Miami wannabe day club.
Do not go there unless you can pull up in your boat, afford the crazy bottle service prices and have girls you can bring with you or if you have a great physique and can draw girls with it.
If you are curious, I would suggest going when they have a world renowned EDM DJ performing, I believe Carl Cox was there this weekend.
Girls love EDM in Toronto, so if you can handle the noise and the beats per minute then this could work for you.
I have seen girls at these spots solo.
It has been discussed before but worth mentioning again.
How is your fashion?
You better have a decent wardrobe or one killer outfit that you can wear on a night out.
Guys here still dress for crap and yes Montreal guys know how to dress. This isn't an excuse, make sure you have an outfit that is on point.
I see Chinese dudes in Starbucks now, wearing Prada/Common Projects/Louboutin sneakers and $2K in clothing.
I am not saying you have to be a label whore, but if you can afford it then go for it.
Remember competition is fierce.
As a older guy, I am getting tired of the night game and late nights. I have adjusted to daygame, café game and gym game.
Right now the weather is great and it is hunting season, so get out and start yapping to these girls. Yes a lot of guys are scared to approach girls, which should work in your favour. These chicks can be brutal, but if she trolls you then troll her back.
It is called "game" for a reason, so treat it like a game and have fun.
Don't be one of the many this city has eaten up and spit out.
I do personal training and wardrobe consulting, so feel free to hit me up.
Please do not PM me about spots to check out or to go daygaming together.
I will add more in the weeks to come.
Glossary - PMS crowd - Pickering Mississauga Scarborough or otherwise known as the 905 crowd.
I have partied in other cities around the globe and had a great time. A lot of places are much easier than Toronto, when it comes to girls and having a good time. The only other city I wouldn't mess with is Miami, the standard is very high there and I personally know guys there who are crying.
Night game in Toronto is not easy.
I could list hot bars and clubs, but it doesn't mean you are going to get lucky. The place could be wall to wall chicks and you still could strike out.
The city is also very strange, I have been to spots that were simply off the hook. A week later I return to the same spot and I was like WTF happened.
Every weekend is very hit and miss, so you have to move around a lot and hope you hit one of those magical nights.
Word of advice - get out early and pre drink before the PMS crowd gets on the scene.
Are you ready to battle the club scene?
Moma in one of our podcasts, talked about how he went 0 for 30 in a bar one night.
How many rejections are you willing to take before you call it a night?
How late are you willing to grind it out at night?
Some of my best pulls have been in the early morning, either on the street or a chinese restaurant on Spadina. Sadly, a lot of these chicks love poutine and pizza. So you might have better luck in those spots.
We can all agree that getting numbers isn't a good night.
So when you meet Ms down-for-the-night, where are you going to take her?
Having a pad downtown close to the nightlife is the number one thing that will help you pull girls. Location, location, location is what they teach guys selling real estate. Look at the prices for rent on King St W and you will see why.
I was downtown in Yorkville yesterday, having lunch with a fellow RVFer. The talent wasn't great, in fact I saw more white jiggling cellulite thighs than I care to see. For an area that is suppose to be rich, elite, posh etc, it was very sad. My local suburban mall would have killed it with eye candy.
Which leads me to this, are you guys in good shape?
There are many gyms in this city, so you have no excuse to not be in shape.
Go to a LA fitness and you will see girls in there killing it, like their life depended on being in shape.
If I were new to a city, I would join a gym right away. The nicer the gym the more girls it will attract.
Girls love Crossfit gyms, girls love gyms that have yoga.
I know some girls who have more than one membership at a gym.
With LA fitness you can visit other gyms, I don't work out at LA fitness. lol
Drake Hotel - I never liked this spot, my friends go there quite a bit. For me it is too crammed and the talent isn't that great. It has always been a place that had a lot of dudes.
Madison - As soon as I read a Toronto report that lists this pub/bar, I know straight away the guy is trolling. This spot use to be a RSD/PUA hangout a few years back and had horrible ratios then.
Rebel NightClub/Cabana - both of these places are in the same location.
I have heard Rebel is the hot club now, I have not been and quite frankly don't really care to go. They do have some good acts performing there, so I will "try" to make the effort to check one of them out. Future the rapper was there a few months ago, the place was crawling with chicks.
Cabana - is a Miami wannabe day club.
Do not go there unless you can pull up in your boat, afford the crazy bottle service prices and have girls you can bring with you or if you have a great physique and can draw girls with it.
If you are curious, I would suggest going when they have a world renowned EDM DJ performing, I believe Carl Cox was there this weekend.
Girls love EDM in Toronto, so if you can handle the noise and the beats per minute then this could work for you.
I have seen girls at these spots solo.
It has been discussed before but worth mentioning again.
How is your fashion?
You better have a decent wardrobe or one killer outfit that you can wear on a night out.
Guys here still dress for crap and yes Montreal guys know how to dress. This isn't an excuse, make sure you have an outfit that is on point.
I see Chinese dudes in Starbucks now, wearing Prada/Common Projects/Louboutin sneakers and $2K in clothing.
I am not saying you have to be a label whore, but if you can afford it then go for it.
Remember competition is fierce.
As a older guy, I am getting tired of the night game and late nights. I have adjusted to daygame, café game and gym game.
Right now the weather is great and it is hunting season, so get out and start yapping to these girls. Yes a lot of guys are scared to approach girls, which should work in your favour. These chicks can be brutal, but if she trolls you then troll her back.
It is called "game" for a reason, so treat it like a game and have fun.
Don't be one of the many this city has eaten up and spit out.
I do personal training and wardrobe consulting, so feel free to hit me up.
Please do not PM me about spots to check out or to go daygaming together.
I will add more in the weeks to come.
Glossary - PMS crowd - Pickering Mississauga Scarborough or otherwise known as the 905 crowd.
@kosko, I should have tried going for her friend but I knew the indian was the one interested, anyways, you're right. Usually like girls in the 20-24 age range and found The Drake to have older low quality. I left early because it was hopeless, I didn't see many opportunities except with the older women that looked easy, but I'm not into that.
@Banna, I've been wanting to try EFS for a while. I might soon, saw the talent one time walking outside, was high. I also need to try Wildflower!
Thanks Rudebwoy for the info!
@Banna, I've been wanting to try EFS for a while. I might soon, saw the talent one time walking outside, was high. I also need to try Wildflower!
Thanks Rudebwoy for the info!
Rudebwoy is right on the datasheet. Let me add what I think is an important caveat.
Our game styles will differ according to our age and our desires. A young guy will want SNL and have the tolerance to handle the nonsense thrown at him by a lizard leading up to or after the SNL. This is fine. A young guy may also want SNL but be happy to fall into an LTR with the lizard, not yet experienced enough to realise that she isn't the one for him or that he's really not in the place to do so.
An older guy may also want SNL as well and not confuse that with LTR or even invite such an option. An older guy will have heard the same lyrics for at least 20 years of his life and with each year, the lyrics get more and more lame.
One area of thought are that your energy has to be higher than those in the venue that you are hunting in, in order to succeed. That means you are leading her to where you want and no matter what she says, your energy is so high that you can rebuttal it on the fly where it looks like you read her mind before.
Now, another area of thought is that you are so chill where everything is moving in slow motion for you. You are not rushed and just absorbing events in the venue. When I lived in the Dot, I used to hang out with two older West Indian guys. They were in their mid to late 40s respectively but looked no older than 28 apiece. One was Jamaican and the other black Guyanese. The Jamaican had come from Kingston during the times when Toronto was feeling itself too much but being a man from Yard, you couldn't really ruffle him.
What I noticed about the Jamaican guy in particular was that when we went to the clubs, he would post up somewhere and just watch. He didn't dance, he just sipped his one drink and watched casually. He would pick a lizard out that had wandering eyes and make his play on her. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't but he didn't care. I think part of the reason that he didn't care was because as a Jamaican well versed in slaying lizards, he didn't take the lizards antics seriously. Secondly, and perhaps even more importantly, a lot of West Indian guys never stop gaming so the club isn't their ONLY place to get a smash. This obviously doesn't go for only West Indian guys but others who are active in the game. I've had a regular lizard that I used to smash on the weekends and sometimes during the week hit me up on the weekend at night and ask me to invite her over if I'm not doing anything with my 'boys'.
This meant she understood that I was out trying to smash new poon and accepted her place in the hierarchy.
MIAMI
I wouldn't shy away from Miami but people need to realise that there is more to Miami than just South Beach. South Beach is where the bulk of the posers are at. There are, however, tons of tourists there so you can scour the crowds and find someone who is just there for a holiday moment. I was there during the weekend that Miami Heat won their championship vs the Spurs and I had never seen so much people in one place. Couple that with the warm tropical weather and it was a win win.
I met a white female dentist there from Denver who was there on a dentist convention. She showed me her wedding ring so I wouldn't get any ideas (no relationship, just weekend sex until the conference ended) and then French kissed me later on that night. I couldn't capitalise on the event due to my logistics.
Our game styles will differ according to our age and our desires. A young guy will want SNL and have the tolerance to handle the nonsense thrown at him by a lizard leading up to or after the SNL. This is fine. A young guy may also want SNL but be happy to fall into an LTR with the lizard, not yet experienced enough to realise that she isn't the one for him or that he's really not in the place to do so.
An older guy may also want SNL as well and not confuse that with LTR or even invite such an option. An older guy will have heard the same lyrics for at least 20 years of his life and with each year, the lyrics get more and more lame.
One area of thought are that your energy has to be higher than those in the venue that you are hunting in, in order to succeed. That means you are leading her to where you want and no matter what she says, your energy is so high that you can rebuttal it on the fly where it looks like you read her mind before.
Now, another area of thought is that you are so chill where everything is moving in slow motion for you. You are not rushed and just absorbing events in the venue. When I lived in the Dot, I used to hang out with two older West Indian guys. They were in their mid to late 40s respectively but looked no older than 28 apiece. One was Jamaican and the other black Guyanese. The Jamaican had come from Kingston during the times when Toronto was feeling itself too much but being a man from Yard, you couldn't really ruffle him.
What I noticed about the Jamaican guy in particular was that when we went to the clubs, he would post up somewhere and just watch. He didn't dance, he just sipped his one drink and watched casually. He would pick a lizard out that had wandering eyes and make his play on her. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't but he didn't care. I think part of the reason that he didn't care was because as a Jamaican well versed in slaying lizards, he didn't take the lizards antics seriously. Secondly, and perhaps even more importantly, a lot of West Indian guys never stop gaming so the club isn't their ONLY place to get a smash. This obviously doesn't go for only West Indian guys but others who are active in the game. I've had a regular lizard that I used to smash on the weekends and sometimes during the week hit me up on the weekend at night and ask me to invite her over if I'm not doing anything with my 'boys'.
This meant she understood that I was out trying to smash new poon and accepted her place in the hierarchy.
MIAMI
I wouldn't shy away from Miami but people need to realise that there is more to Miami than just South Beach. South Beach is where the bulk of the posers are at. There are, however, tons of tourists there so you can scour the crowds and find someone who is just there for a holiday moment. I was there during the weekend that Miami Heat won their championship vs the Spurs and I had never seen so much people in one place. Couple that with the warm tropical weather and it was a win win.
I met a white female dentist there from Denver who was there on a dentist convention. She showed me her wedding ring so I wouldn't get any ideas (no relationship, just weekend sex until the conference ended) and then French kissed me later on that night. I couldn't capitalise on the event due to my logistics.
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