[DanishNovice]

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[Leonard D Neubache]

I've had something floating around in my head for a few weeks and this seems like a good thread to hash it out.

I've spent a lot of time in hospitals as an employee and as a guardian for a person with serious health issues. I've also known a few good nurses who were happy to speak candidly with me so I feel reasonably well versed with what the profession of nursing entails and the degree of competence with which typical Australian nurses operate.

The tl/dr version is this. It's an absolute shitshow.

There are a lot of reasons for this but for the purposes of this thread I'll stick to purely intra-professional factors. 50 years ago nursing was a suitable job for a woman because:

• Medicine was mostly delivered in tablet form.
• Rare injections were often simple intramuscular affairs.
• Doctors handled almost all dangerous and complicated procedures.
• 99 times out of 100 the patients were not obese.
• Their tasks were limited mostly to keeping patients clean and fed.
• There were no "complicated" infection prevention protocols.
• Seriously ill people were let to die rather than be kept alive by a vast array of complicated machines and drugs.
• Mental illness and drug abuse were not problems for which people were generally hospitalised.
  

Now the job done by nurses is to a large degree the job that was once done by doctors, and in far worse societal conditions than the doctors of the fifties and sixties were exposed to.

We have seen a lot of male dominated fields slowly suffer under the yoke of increased female participation but nursing has become one of those strange fields where it was once female dominated but now demands far more of the average woman than she's capable of handling. Emotionally, physically and intellectually.

This increase in the complexity, danger and physical requirements has led to (at least in Australia) a MASSIVE increase in the amount of malpractice which having had collected the experiences of myself and various nurses in 9 different hospitals over three states is not isolated but an industry wide epidemic. The reason that it doesn't show up statistically is that the vast majority of it is swept under the rug, up to and including fuckups that result in untimely deaths.

Before I found this forum I simply considered this slide of professional standards to be a sign of diminishing cultural work ethic, but once I accepted that women were not better than men at anything much other than nurturing the young or infirm I reassessed the situation and came to the conclusion above.

Anyway. I just wanted to get that off my chest. Bizarrely, nursing as it stands today in the first world is now a job more suited to men than women.

[Foolsgo1d]

^ There are more men going intot he nursing field no?

[Jones]

So true Leonard.

I've seen nurses, some LPN, that is, not the university educated RNs, break down in tears from being called down and yelled at by a mental health patient. Not to mention the physical violence mental patients cause. An all-male nurse psychiatric ward would be interesting.

They have a mostly women nurses at a forensic ward here, but the minute a female security guard steps onto the floor they lose their shit and try come up with a reason to have her removed. They flat out refuse to have 2 female guards at a time, yet they work with criminally insane men for 12 hours a day.

My most recent workplace observation is seeing how we behave at our jobs with co-workers, all conforming to standards and wearing the same uniform, and then seeing our interactions outside of work, out of costume, out of the professional masks we must wear.

Alcohol really reveals a lot about the people we work with, especially the females natures and intentions. At work, you see hints, looking around and finding eyes already fixed on you, just waiting for you to notice. Innocent flirtations and courting, playful, yet a sexual tension builds beneath the surface.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(05-23-2017 08:40 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

^ There are more men going intot he nursing field no?

Yes, but they are only superficially men much of the time.

Female nurses are uncommonly hostile to male nurses and extra-hostile to masculine male nurses. I know of quite a few male nurses who were so tired of both carrying everyone else's water AND being treated like shit that they transferred out to solo gigs like community nursing, went for paramedic accreditation or simply binned their degrees and walked away.

Having masculine male nurses on site reveals to women the unspeakable truth that women no longer make better nurses than men, and they try to drum them out of the system with every dog act imaginable.

[Alsos]

(05-23-2017 01:27 AM)Corollary Wrote:  

...
This sounds like it could have been going on with my reviews. Both times I went in for my annual review my boss had nothing but good things to say about me, but I still received an average score. In my mind, an average score means room for improvement, but with no negative feedback from my boss, what was I supposed to improve?

I quickly realized though it was typical corporate bullshit, and I didn't see the need in trying to figure out how to overcome it.

Even not knowing exactly how the sausage was being made, employees figured out very quickly that the review system was corporate CYA theater. Having a formal review process and a superficially uniform, superficially meritocratic method of promotion and salary raises wards off a lot of potential lawsuits.

You didn't get a promotion not because of your race or religion or favoritism towards others, but because you didn't rank high enough in the past three years, see?

Your salary isn't low because of the "wage gap", we're fair here, your salary is within in this narrow arbitrary range we set for your labor classification and appropriate to your past C rankings see?

Conversely, we can't give you a raise beyond the cost of living this year, because that would bump you up too high in the range and then you wouldn't get a raise at all next year unless you were to get a promotion, and you got another C this year, so we can't promote you next year, see?

Everything's by the book and by the rules, sorry, our hands are tied, we have to be fair to everyone, we can't bend the rules for one employee without being unfair to others.

Well, everyone but Steve over there, who got a job offer from our competitor. We can't afford to lose him, that's why he's packing up his cubicle and moving into the corner office. No, we as a company don't engage in bidding like that as a matter of policy. But we couldn't afford to lose him, he's special, a one-of-a-kind, and it's shameful and dishonorable for you to even think about doing that yourself. Where's your loyalty?

Or Jane. True, she got Ds the last two years, but her handling of that unfortunate ass-grabbing incident involving Bob back in February showed she had underutilized management skills and a resourcefulness that we weren't taking into account, so her sudden raise into executive salary ranges totally isn't a bribe to stave off an ugly lawsuit. Why would you think that?

Everybody knew this is what went on. Which makes it all the more puzzling that they actually put so much effort into the annual review preparations. But perhaps not, if they know that not taking it seriously will get them condemned to a no-raise D as an example to others.

But as you point out, there is no useful feedback from these systems at all. Everyone gets a positive review because of the same fear of litigiousness - if a corporate employee is actually criticized for anything, then they have the basis for a hostile work environment case, a wrongful dismissal lawsuit, or other such complaints based in unfair treatment or hurt feelings. And without honest criticism, you don't learn what it is you're doing wrong and need to improve.

Positive feedback is an appeal to vanity. Negative feedback is an appeal to honor. Honor is both a more positive and more effective thing to appeal to if you want improvement.

[LeightonBlackstock]

That most people are cunts

Case in point: In my Maths class I asked students to give me "a sentence that's always true". One replied with "there are only two genders" and we all laughed together (I nearly had to send them out to get a drink of water to re-lubricate their mouths from all the merth and buoyancy)

I told a colleague this and he gave me a shocked face and an "Ohhhh....ohhh...that's odd...."

Some people are no fun.

Then they were asking us all for information for our teaching profiles in a meeting

One gay man said "Gender....unknown!!"

I think he caught my disgusted look.

Then there's a angry-looking guy who walks around with a face like he's just caught his wife cheating with his son

I'm so happy I have my own classroom now. My best times at work are when I can be in complete silence.

My life advice would be: Don't make any more friends than you have to at work. Just keep rejecting invites for socialising and eventually they'll get the message and will leave you alone.

[Aurini]

(05-23-2017 12:16 AM)Alsos Wrote:  

One of my favorites has always been the gamma rules lawyer.

You know the one: that passive-aggressive guy who won't do any simple thing you ask of him without demanding detailed explanations of each hairsplitting task involved and specific justifications for why each needs to be done. And when you oblige him, he'll nitpick each explanation and justification to death. And then demand a charge code to cover his work on whatever simple thing he was asked to do in the first place, work he hasn't done because he's been rules-lawyering to avoid doing it. All with a smarmy, smarter-than-thou, I'm-so-clever attitude as if he's putting one over on you and you don't even realize it. But you do, and so does everyone else, and you all secretly loathe him without him even realizing it - because when he starts in, everyone knows that when he finally wears you down with this crap, you'll end up asking one of them to do it instead.

Supervised one of these guys for three years, and not only can I not remember a single thing he actually accomplished, I can't even remember what his responsibility was supposed to be.

Is this the guy you're talking about? Skip to 3 minutes in for a specific example.

[Alsos]

(05-23-2017 01:10 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

Is this the guy you're talking about? Skip to 3 minutes in for a specific example.

Hmm. Not quite. I want to throat-punch him as well, but the coworker was more the underhanded and deceitful type. This guy just seems like a sperg.

[TigerMandingo]

delete, wrong thread

[Paracelsus]

(05-23-2017 08:12 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I've had something floating around in my head for a few weeks and this seems like a good thread to hash it out.

I've spent a lot of time in hospitals as an employee and as a guardian for a person with serious health issues. I've also known a few good nurses who were happy to speak candidly with me so I feel reasonably well versed with what the profession of nursing entails and the degree of competence with which typical Australian nurses operate.

The tl/dr version is this. It's an absolute shitshow.

There are a lot of reasons for this but for the purposes of this thread I'll stick to purely intra-professional factors. 50 years ago nursing was a suitable job for a woman because:

• Medicine was mostly delivered in tablet form.
• Rare injections were often simple intramuscular affairs.
• Doctors handled almost all dangerous and complicated procedures.
• 99 times out of 100 the patients were not obese.
• Their tasks were limited mostly to keeping patients clean and fed.
• There were no "complicated" infection prevention protocols.
• Seriously ill people were let to die rather than be kept alive by a vast array of complicated machines and drugs.
• Mental illness and drug abuse were not problems for which people were generally hospitalised.
  

Now the job done by nurses is to a large degree the job that was once done by doctors, and in far worse societal conditions than the doctors of the fifties and sixties were exposed to.

We have seen a lot of male dominated fields slowly suffer under the yoke of increased female participation but nursing has become one of those strange fields where it was once female dominated but now demands far more of the average woman than she's capable of handling. Emotionally, physically and intellectually.

This increase in the complexity, danger and physical requirements has led to (at least in Australia) a MASSIVE increase in the amount of malpractice which having had collected the experiences of myself and various nurses in 9 different hospitals over three states is not isolated but an industry wide epidemic. The reason that it doesn't show up statistically is that the vast majority of it is swept under the rug, up to and including fuckups that result in untimely deaths.

Before I found this forum I simply considered this slide of professional standards to be a sign of diminishing cultural work ethic, but once I accepted that women were not better than men at anything much other than nurturing the young or infirm I reassessed the situation and came to the conclusion above.

Anyway. I just wanted to get that off my chest. Bizarrely, nursing as it stands today in the first world is now a job more suited to men than women.

Co-sign to all of this. It's dead-on.

It also doesn't help that nurses are generally drawn from the dimmer end of the scale intelligence-wise, but nonetheless think themselves superior to doctors at times.

[Kabal]

In the workplace, sloots frequently failed the Bechdel Test. Real life usually fails the Bechdel Test.

They were almost always gossiping about random bullshit, and not about work-related topics. Male friends and I would message/email each other when some sloots nearby appeared to be passing the Bechdel Test, because it was so rare.

Sloots working for/with me preferred that I handled the quantitative/technical aspects, and them running around on my behalf to play glorified secretaries: "liaising" internally (with co-workers) and externally (with clients), with me playing bad-cop if/when necessary. To the extent that they stayed out of my way and wrote emails and took phone calls for me, they were actually value-add.

Plus, internal and external stakeholders tend to be nicer to junior basic bitches than relatively-junior men. Can't blame them.

For interviewing/hiring, 3 separate resume piles were maintained (usually by said basic bitches):
1) Blacks, Latinos, Women (in descending order of preference, as women of reasonable caliber were not that hard to find).
2) Whites.
3) South Asians (mostly Indians) and East Asians, with Americans of those descents given slight preference over the foreign-born.

For example, white females got only slight preferences over white males, but black males got a huge bump over white males, and black females likewise a substantial bump over white females.

(05-23-2017 11:06 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

It also doesn't help that nurses are generally drawn from the dimmer end of the scale intelligence-wise, but nonetheless think themselves superior to doctors at times.

What's worse is that, on average, nurses* are probably above average IQ--it's just that humans are just that... stupid.

*Intended nurses are slightly below average among GRE test-takers--but GRE test-takers are well above average than the general population, perhaps around +1 standard deviations or even greater.

[Kurgan]

Here's something I learned from someone who gave me a massage for free that was pretty true about the people you work with in a department or any other workplace.

She explained to me the workplace is 80/10/10. 10% of people do all of the work, 10% do nothing at all and the 80% just hang around until there's a fire to be put out. I didn't mean an actual fire, but an emergency or something that needs to be taken care. I saw it at my workplace, I am part of the 10% that does all of the work. The manager is clueless as to what's going on and insists that it doesn't happen no matter how much proof is brought with the biggest bullshit tone. The 10% that do nothing get promoted, what the actual fuck?

Office Space is probably the best story that shows how cubicle life sucks.

[apoclater]

Great thread. I work in a startup/growth Tech company that produces hilarity every single day.

1. Female leaders from our office constantly griping about lack of equality in the workplace. They all meet monthly about how to grow female leadership and talent in the company. All recently attended a women's workshop where "Tech Women" spoke about their unique challenges being a female in a male dominated industry. Each and every leader was either in HR or account management (ie not at all in a technical or business field).

2. Up-talk. What happened to women's speaking patterns? Do they have to end every statement as if it were a holier-than-thou question? Just make it declarative and end your thought.

3. Female groups blatantly agreeing with each other in meetings. The males will say something smart and insightful that might go over lizard's head, so she says nothing after it. Her femmy friend makes a textbook recommendation that has no creativity or value and everyone's nodding their head because they understood it at a 5th grade level.

[Sisyphus]

Here's a common workplace archetype: the one who's smarter than everyone else.

It certainly was an unusual start to the day when "Lexi" from accounting was dragged out of the office in handcuffs just after we'd opened. Everyone certainly wondered the same thing: what the fuck is this all about?

Two weeks before I had gone over to accounting to talk about some work related thing and as always happens in a business office, the conversation soon turned to other topics. I mentioned that I had seen "Catch Me If You Can" for the first time and I was amazed at how clever the guy was who ran all the cons (Frank Abagnale, played by Leo). His specialty was check fraud and Lexi just smiled and nodded at me in response.

Little did I know that she was running her own little check fraud scam at that very moment. As I stood there she probably thought she was pretty clever and that in contrast I was a sucker for earning money by doing my job.

Perhaps I should've realized something was off when she rolled up with fancy new rims and went on about her weekend jaunts to Vegas. But I was focused on my own life and I didn't know how much money she made so it didn't occur to me that something else might have been going on.

She handled checks coming in from clients and apparently came up with a pretty convincing way to make it so that the checks were made out to her and not the company. There has to have been more to it than that but I don't remember all the details.

She would've continued to get away with it except that she got lazy. Like many criminals before her she was undone by her own hubris. In some of her later frauds her name sloped up diagonally instead of going right across the "Pay To The Order Of" line like it should have. But she had been getting away with it for so long she figured she didn't need to be so careful and that everyone was too stupid to notice. But someone at the bank did notice and alerted law enforcement.

From there it was easy for them to connect the dots and away she went. I had trouble finding information about it and I lost interest not long after so I don't know what happened, but I believe I heard that she didn't get jail time.

She was actually the second person (both women) to get caught stealing from the company. I imagine this type of petty thievery is more common than people would think. I'm sure she rationalized it as she was such a fantastic employee and she deserved so much more money than she was getting while the masters made so much for doing nothing. Therefore it wasn't morally wrong to steal because the system is unfair. This mentality combined with her arrogance led to this corporate Robin Hood behavior where she stole from the rich to give to the self. I expect many others go through the same thought process.

[John Silva]

there's some danger in fucking the hottest girl in the office of course, but it can be quite rewarding.. i actually did it and got a 'posse' who was always following us around. her male and female orbiters... i was kindda like the boss just because the hottest girl was with me.

[duedue]

I started this thread and then forgot about it. Interesting observations from forum members. Here is one more from me. There is a couple working at my workplace. The (((woman))) obviously has much more testosterone than the man and walks with a swagger. The poor dude seems to be masturbating a lot. His slouched and guilty looking posture reminds me of myself when I was a teenager.

[kamoz]

I've worked at two fairly large, well known companies in two completely different fields and have noticed some common observations that I would like to share.

The primary observation is degradation of quality of life for employees. This appears to have occurred in stages. The last 'stage' in which quality of life for employees took a major hit was the 2008 recession. The one before that was 9/11 - not just the attack but events around it like the recession at the time and NAFTA taking greater effect. From both companies all I hear from the older guys is how good the good old days are and how they are no more. It really makes me sad, because man, they were good! I'm sure there are older guys on the forum that can speak to how things were even better prior to the 90's and so forth.

You also hear a lot about how employees are 'lazy' nowadays and people aren't loyal to the company anymore. I've learned that this is total BS. Years ago companies actually treated their employees well and in turn employees looked out for their companies. But over the past several decades companies and upper management have taken an absolute shit on their employees. Treating them as disposable, having annual 'layoffs' based on 'performance', over working them, burning them out, etc. Just look at how CEO's and upper management pay has grown over the last several decades with reference to other employees' pay in the company. It didn't used to be so disproportionate. You have engineers at some companies that have been there for 30+ years, they've essentially built the company, and they still don't break $150k salary. But the CEO rakes in several million? Sure, burger flippers are one thing, but there's no way you can justify some of the examples I've seen.

In the end, I've basically learned not to care, like Peter in Office Space. Do the minimum necessary for your job, and focus most of your energy into your life, passive income projects, etc. That's what really matters. My new job is what I would consider blue collar and I'm loving it. Nowhere near the stress what I used to deal with at my white collar engineering job. The problem is that most white collar jobs don't allow you to give it your minimum anymore - you're working 6 days a week, 10-12 hour days, your boss' nose is up your ass at all times, peers are in a desperate rat race to the top of the corporate ladder, everyone is watching you and sees all your mistakes, gossip, backstabbing galore, etc. Add women to the mix as has been discussed and it turns into an absolute shit show. Initially after I left, I thought that my education and experience would come in handy should I need it someday. But the further I've gotten away from my last job, the more I've realized that I would rather collect food stamps, or live hand to mouth, than go back to that shit.

[Praetor Lupus]

(05-21-2017 10:06 PM)mhnd Wrote:  

2.
Fuck the hottest co worker in your office. Unprotected. Watch all the dudes chase her around like shes the one and beg to get your sloppy seconds. Even if you get fired at any point in the future you will have desecrated that entire office with your dick. You win.

[Cane Toad]

Good topic, here's my advice - it comes from years of working in construction/mining and other related industries:

- never work under a female boss, if you suddenly find yourself with a female boss due to a reorganisation you should look for another job immediately,
- never work under a guy that is a bully, if you have a boss that is a bully then you have a problem,
- if the bully boss gives you shit at work, be strong and plan to give it back to him...payback is a great motivator,
- never be bullied - be a man, and let the fucker know you hate him - you'll be laughing when he gets sacked and starts trying to be friendly with you,
- oh yeah, never work under a female boss

Be strong. Don't be not strong.

[Cattle Rustler]

(05-23-2017 12:55 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Rant about working a shitty 16/hr job that lasted for two weeks

(09-30-2017 12:24 AM)kamoz Wrote:  

My new job is what I would consider blue collar and I'm loving it. Nowhere near the stress what I used to deal with at my white collar engineering job. The problem is that most white collar jobs don't allow you to give it your minimum anymore - you're working 6 days a week, 10-12 hour days, your boss' nose is up your ass at all times, peers are in a desperate rat race to the top of the corporate ladder, everyone is watching you and sees all your mistakes, gossip, backstabbing galore, etc. Add women to the mix as has been discussed and it turns into an absolute shit show. Initially after I left, I thought that my education and experience would come in handy should I need it someday. But the further I've gotten away from my last job, the more I've realized that I would rather collect food stamps, or live hand to mouth, than go back to that shit.

Five months after my initial post in this thread and I'm working like the above poster...a blue collar job and living it better than ever, well until winter comes. I might hate it then.

A lot of the guys I work with, especially a 19 year old guy, were surprised when they found out I had a degree and office job offers yet took the field job.

Job offers in Dallas @ 45-55K:
- Would need to find place to live and pay rent
- 50K
- Shitty Benefits
- Rotating on-call where you work through the night answering calls and staffing cases/employees, 7 days a month
- Work 10-12 hours Monday-Friday
- People will call you if you're on PTO (Vacation/Holiday)
- Expected to help coworkers with your clients via text when they are on-call

Current Job:
- Housing provided (work 25 days a month, crash at ltr/fam on days off), no rent
- 85K+
- Great benefits! 1/3 price of my corporate offers.
- No on-call, had to go to school once on my days off but I earned a free CDL
- Only work on my days scheduled (16 hrs, 14/7)
- No one fucking bothers me on my days off. No one, not even a chirp.
- Free to do whatever the fuck I want on days off, no emails or texts or calls

The office jobs were pretty shitty when it came to their requirements and the pay they offered. Fucking work 60 hours a week, plus around the clock texting, and pay my rent for ~50K? Fuck that. That's why I decided not to get another office job.

My priority is to pay all my debts, stack my savings again, and make some real money. Making the decision as to which job I wanted was really quick.

Nowadays I make in one week what I would have earned in one entire month 5 months ago with that shitty job that lasted two weeks. Never expect this, but better things really do come down the road!

[CJ_W]

(05-21-2017 10:43 AM)Sombro Wrote:  

I've learned that in the corporate arena, the ladies' room is used for crying more than any other bodily function.

There seems to be a lot of stories to tell here.

[duedue]

Do you work in construction now Rustler?

[ball dont lie]

I live in a big city and date some "career girl" types and the crying the bathroom is a weekly occurrence and the crying also comes home afterward because not enough got done in the ladies room. Don't ever believe that strong girl shit. All make believe. One girl had a fucking nervous breakdown from "stress" which meant, just the normal job everyone else was managing to do.

[Cattle Rustler]

(10-03-2017 05:26 PM)duedue Wrote:  

Do you work in construction now Rustler?

Oilfield. My current hitch is 5 weeks straight...it gets lonely but I only plan to stay here for a year then study brogramming, accounting, or data analysis. Pumping liquid sandpaper with chemicals down "mother earth" and swinging a hammer is not a career nor can the body handle it forever.

Sadly, things are hot enough that we're beginning to hire women again and give them a try . So we have to "tone down" our conversations and debauchery.