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Johannesburg or Cape Town and why?
#26

Johannesburg or Cape Town and why?

Quote: (05-03-2017 03:35 PM)SpursFan741 Wrote:  

@ Superschalk Thanks for all the information.

Could you describe how good Johannesburg and Cape town is for white guys, so how easy or hard is it got laid there for us? ( so I mean by this: are ONS common, is same day lay possible within the first date, that are crucial points for me that it's easy and the race from the girl doesn't matter for me, so would it be a good place to rack up the notches like Asia for example)

I'm asking it because there are some good job oppurtunities there for me and i may consider to move there ( i think to visit it first before i decide off course). In Johannesburg I would live in Sandton then and in Cape town, i really don't know.

Again this is also a question where you could write a 10k word blog post about. I think to give you an idea how easy it is can be described in the following story:

Two years ago I brought my a friend from Germany with me to visit Cape Town over the Christmas period by the way that is the best time of the year. We were sleeping in my grand parents estate which has separate small buildings were the workers used to live back in the days.
Anyways in the first three days he brought home and banged four black girls. It got to the point where I had to cockblock him and had to tell him that he cannot do that anymore because the security guards got worried about it and my brother started telling me that the neighborhood would notice what was going on. My friend actually did a smart move then and booked a single room at a hostel right on Long Street whenever we went out partying. Whenever we went out there to party he used the room to bang a black chick.

When we went to the more upscale clubs where also a whiter crowd was present he went home empty handed all the time.

What you will notice in general in Africa there is always a very fine line between P4P and a casual hookup. Girls would expect some kind of compensation. This can be food or taxi money. What you need to realize is that some of the girls are unfortunately so poor that they are happy getting banged in exchange for a nice soft bed and a clean shower.

What you also need to notice when you want to go this route is the danger of firstly HIV and then several criminal activities and scams involved in taking these girls home. I heard several hardcore stories. Usually the one you hear most is that the guy could not find his phone anymore after she left. Honestly I think SA is not a place where I would advice to go with the intention like you would have in SEA. There are too many risks involved. However if you spend time to screen girls you will find great high intelligent black girls with good intentions and obviously the same applies for white and colored girls.
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#27

Johannesburg or Cape Town and why?

Quote: (05-03-2017 04:25 PM)superschalk Wrote:  

Quote: (05-03-2017 03:35 PM)SpursFan741 Wrote:  

@ Superschalk Thanks for all the information.

Could you describe how good Johannesburg and Cape town is for white guys, so how easy or hard is it got laid there for us? ( so I mean by this: are ONS common, is same day lay possible within the first date, that are crucial points for me that it's easy and the race from the girl doesn't matter for me, so would it be a good place to rack up the notches like Asia for example)

I'm asking it because there are some good job oppurtunities there for me and i may consider to move there ( i think to visit it first before i decide off course). In Johannesburg I would live in Sandton then and in Cape town, i really don't know.

Again this is also a question where you could write a 10k word blog post about. I think to give you an idea how easy it is can be described in the following story:

Two years ago I brought my a friend from Germany with me to visit Cape Town over the Christmas period by the way that is the best time of the year. We were sleeping in my grand parents estate which has separate small buildings were the workers used to live back in the days.
Anyways in the first three days he brought home and banged four black girls. It got to the point where I had to cockblock him and had to tell him that he cannot do that anymore because the security guards got worried about it and my brother started telling me that the neighborhood would notice what was going on. My friend actually did a smart move then and booked a single room at a hostel right on Long Street whenever we went out partying. Whenever we went out there to party he used the room to bang a black chick.

When we went to the more upscale clubs where also a whiter crowd was present he went home empty handed all the time.

What you will notice in general in Africa there is always a very fine line between P4P and a casual hookup. Girls would expect some kind of compensation. This can be food or taxi money. What you need to realize is that some of the girls are unfortunately so poor that they are happy getting banged in exchange for a nice soft bed and a clean shower.

What you also need to notice when you want to go this route is the danger of firstly HIV and then several criminal activities and scams involved in taking these girls home. I heard several hardcore stories. Usually the one you hear most is that the guy could not find his phone anymore after she left. Honestly I think SA is not a place where I would advice to go with the intention like you would have in SEA. There are too many risks involved. However if you spend time to screen girls you will find great high intelligent black girls with good intentions and obviously the same applies for white and colored girls.

Well said. Since we're on this topic, was the crime in either city bad? I like to wear gold and all. I hear about women setting up men all the time. Now that you've mentioned it I should probably keep an eye on it.
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#28

Johannesburg or Cape Town and why?

Don't wear gold. Never.
And if you're already street smart you'll be fine.
Joburg is rougher than CT, but I did drive everywhere, including Alexandra and Hillbrow, and nothing happened.

You just don't want to wander at night anywhere else than Sandton/Rosebank, and even there on small doses.

CT feels and probably is safer, no question, I walked all the city perimeter one day (about 30km) and felt perfectly safe.

But the novelty factor is definitely bigger in Joburg whereas very few tourists spend some time and 95% of them never venture outside Sandton.
Now even easier with a direct train connection from the airport, so chicks are very curious of someone sticking his head off.

I've been always fascinated by Joburg. Its grim feeling is energizing, but I would never suggest it to anyone with less than a good number of countries under his belt.
Experience in traveling goes a long way to help enjoying Southern Africa.

And yes, I second who said that South Africa is underrated.
At least by a touristic point of view is simply breathtaking.
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#29

Johannesburg or Cape Town and why?

Cape Town resident here.

Super biased.

Come to Cape Town.

On a serious note, to address any concerns or misconceptions...

Schalk did a great job of breaking it down.

I wrote a datasheet that needs to be updated with the new venues and places in the burbs.

July is not the best time to come and I owe you a warning that Capetonians are very weather dependent.

It's a beautiful city though and plenty to do. Winelands are fantastic for day2's and there is lots of unique things to do here. So is Kbosch gardens and the places mentioned by Fury.

Girls

Black guys in Cape Town do well. You just got to know where to go.

One of my best mates is a Belgian who is black (originally from Congo) and he does really well.

You're going to want to hit up Bree St, Loop St and perhaps Long St. If you have an artsy, quasi-hipster vibe to yourself, then you will do well. JHB is more jock-ish where your competition is athletic. In Cape Town everyone is above average in the looks department too which makes it harder but also the girls are great.

Girls are reasonably receptive to approaches depending on:

- venue
- time of the day/night
- your entourage
- how long you take to approach
- your looks (interesting etc.)

You will mainly be approaching in clubs and bars but there's certain places where your return will be higher such as markets (Biscuit Mill etc.) and the Engen petrol station in Orange St. (1-3am where girls are horny and have not gone home). I'll let you decide the ethics of this.

Afrikaans girls are my absolute favourite because they are super hot, well kept and very well mannered. A bit old fashioned but I dig that. That being said, I am white and not Afrikaans and banging one was harder than the average girl.

A lot of tourists come here to fuck black guys. I know taxi drivers/uber drivers who pick up Dutch girls at 2AM from Long St. and take them to townships or arrange for guys to fuck them. It's a whole racket.

Dubliners, Sgt. Peppers, Bierhouse and Fiction are the main places where you will find these girls. Mainly because they never leave fucking Long St.

I personally hate Long St. too many Nigerian scammers and drunk people.

They will see you are black and try and get you in to Chez Ntemba or Joburg which are absolute shit holes.

That being said, I have been to both and the former has white girls looking just for black guys.

I doubt you are into that shit though.

Tinder is weak and full of 'woke' bitches looking for a free meal. A lot of decent girls who you can fuck too but it's a waste of time in my opinion. I like to see what I am dealing with and approach accordingly.

Logistics are key in Cape Town and that definitely is a winner vs Joburg. Someone drew a parallel to LA but logistically, JHB = LA and CPT = NYC. Vibe wise, it's the opposite.

Either way, I can write a book on this shit so just hit me up and we can have a cold one and I'll give you the intro to the mother city.


Safety

To break the misconceptions of safety, it's a probability game. Cape Town is segregated and the majority of crime (murder/hijacking/rape) is in the townships.

A lot of petty crime in the city centre and it's been spreading to the suburbs recently. I have been jumped at knife point more than once in the past 3 years. Crime is no joke here but you will be safe if you uber around, don't walk alone at night etc.

A mate of mine on holiday from the UK got shot at Caprice 2 weeks ago, as there is a gang war going on over turf and security.

Russian mafia with a certain Colored gangster have teamed up to get rid of the current hierarchy (Jewish mafia and ex-pro fighters who run the doors with a certain Colored gang that run properties).

I will let you know where not to go as there's certain upmarket places being targets.

Don't let the color of your skin or anything like that discourage you man. Hit me up when you are here and I will show you around, given it's in July.

Also, 16 days is a short amount of time. People come here for a week and severely regret it. I have been stuck here for 3 years already.

@Spursfan (shame about your team choice)

It's easy for white guys to get laid assuming you have at least some game and don't look like a gremlin.

That being said, Cape Town girls are cliquey. They fall in to the categories of:

a) Cliquey with their girls
b) Cliquey with girls and a group of guys for security (usually uni students)
c) Cliquey with their girls and gay friends (usually the hottest ones)

You will find c) at places such as HQ where it's a very mixed crowd, upmarket and a lot of hot women but a bit older 25+.

b) are usually in long st. or kloof st.

a) are pretty much everywhere, you don't find women on their own here given the reputation this city has

This means that if you move here, you will get ONS but will migrate towards a LTR eventually simply because of the amount that people talk and the reputation you will get. I remember after 3 months of arriving, I went to a design expo with my cousin, pretending to work for his company, just to hit up dolls. I saw 5 girls (3 of whom I banged) who I had hooked up with since I had arrived there.

It's a small world as whites hang out with whites, coloreds with coloreds, blacks with blacks. The only mixing that takes place is either workplace, sports or with the 'woke' idiots at universities.

Let me know if you are moving here and I can advise further.

My experience, other RVF members who have come down and general tips:

- never got hustled, apart from this one time I banged a girl from Gabon (flag collection) and needed to ask her sister for permission to take her home. I mean, I will always give them money for their cab home but this is just manners.

- solo pays off but girls here feel safer and trust you if you have another guy with you. As much as I enjoyed solo, as a black guy, it will pay off as you won't come off as a scammer + social proof. Also, as girls aren't usually alone, it helps to juggle the crowd.

- always wear a condom. Regardless of girl.

- if you go for a massage, avoid town and stick to certain awesome places such Ubuntu. Otherwise, there is a naked massage parlour in loop st where it's $80USD an hour and you can take it as far as she wants you to. I don't suggest this kinda shit. You can get a 15 min massage for 5USD in Mavericks (strip club) but this is the main target of the aforementioned mafia.

- never ever wear gold or flash any valuables. I am serious. You will get hustled so quickly you won't even know how it happened. You are usually being watched and if you feel like a target, you probably are.

- if in doubt, uber.

- smoking areas are a popular place to come right.


@ OP: I would suggest booking a room in a hostel or a single room at the hostel above Yours Truly in Kloof.

Vibrant bar below, it's safer than any crummy place in Long St. and logistically it is king. This is if you wanna get laid a lot of and revolve around the centre. Otherwise, airbnb is great but watch out for pesky rules.

I hope this helps, I'll let a JHB boytjie come and tune you about JHB.

PM if you are around or want any further info.
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#30

Johannesburg or Cape Town and why?

Quote: (05-04-2017 04:02 AM)yesinmyname Wrote:  

Don't wear gold. Never.
And if you're already street smart you'll be fine.
Joburg is rougher than CT, but I did drive everywhere, including Alexandra and Hillbrow, and nothing happened.

You just don't want to wander at night anywhere else than Sandton/Rosebank, and even there on small doses.

CT feels and probably is safer, no question, I walked all the city perimeter one day (about 30km) and felt perfectly safe.

But the novelty factor is definitely bigger in Joburg whereas very few tourists spend some time and 95% of them never venture outside Sandton.
Now even easier with a direct train connection from the airport, so chicks are very curious of someone sticking his head off.

I've been always fascinated by Joburg. Its grim feeling is energizing, but I would never suggest it to anyone with less than a good number of countries under his belt.
Experience in traveling goes a long way to help enjoying Southern Africa.

And yes, I second who said that South Africa is underrated.
At least by a touristic point of view is simply breathtaking.

Damn it sounds like it can be a shady place lol. Ive to to some 3rd world countries and also some notorious hoods back in the states so I have my street smarts and all. Its starting to sound like the Congo or something lol. Well can I at least dress nice without someone trying to rob or kill me?
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#31

Johannesburg or Cape Town and why?

Quote: (05-04-2017 04:52 AM)Noir Wrote:  

Cape Town resident here.

Super biased.

Come to Cape Town.

On a serious note, to address any concerns or misconceptions...

Schalk did a great job of breaking it down.

I wrote a datasheet that needs to be updated with the new venues and places in the burbs.

July is not the best time to come and I owe you a warning that Capetonians are very weather dependent.

It's a beautiful city though and plenty to do. Winelands are fantastic for day2's and there is lots of unique things to do here. So is Kbosch gardens and the places mentioned by Fury.

Girls

Black guys in Cape Town do well. You just got to know where to go.

One of my best mates is a Belgian who is black (originally from Congo) and he does really well.

You're going to want to hit up Bree St, Loop St and perhaps Long St. If you have an artsy, quasi-hipster vibe to yourself, then you will do well. JHB is more jock-ish where your competition is athletic. In Cape Town everyone is above average in the looks department too which makes it harder but also the girls are great.

Girls are reasonably receptive to approaches depending on:

- venue
- time of the day/night
- your entourage
- how long you take to approach
- your looks (interesting etc.)

You will mainly be approaching in clubs and bars but there's certain places where your return will be higher such as markets (Biscuit Mill etc.) and the Engen petrol station in Orange St. (1-3am where girls are horny and have not gone home). I'll let you decide the ethics of this.

Afrikaans girls are my absolute favourite because they are super hot, well kept and very well mannered. A bit old fashioned but I dig that. That being said, I am white and not Afrikaans and banging one was harder than the average girl.

A lot of tourists come here to fuck black guys. I know taxi drivers/uber drivers who pick up Dutch girls at 2AM from Long St. and take them to townships or arrange for guys to fuck them. It's a whole racket.

Dubliners, Sgt. Peppers, Bierhouse and Fiction are the main places where you will find these girls. Mainly because they never leave fucking Long St.

I personally hate Long St. too many Nigerian scammers and drunk people.

They will see you are black and try and get you in to Chez Ntemba or Joburg which are absolute shit holes.

That being said, I have been to both and the former has white girls looking just for black guys.

I doubt you are into that shit though.

Tinder is weak and full of 'woke' bitches looking for a free meal. A lot of decent girls who you can fuck too but it's a waste of time in my opinion. I like to see what I am dealing with and approach accordingly.

Logistics are key in Cape Town and that definitely is a winner vs Joburg. Someone drew a parallel to LA but logistically, JHB = LA and CPT = NYC. Vibe wise, it's the opposite.

Either way, I can write a book on this shit so just hit me up and we can have a cold one and I'll give you the intro to the mother city.


Safety

To break the misconceptions of safety, it's a probability game. Cape Town is segregated and the majority of crime (murder/hijacking/rape) is in the townships.

A lot of petty crime in the city centre and it's been spreading to the suburbs recently. I have been jumped at knife point more than once in the past 3 years. Crime is no joke here but you will be safe if you uber around, don't walk alone at night etc.

A mate of mine on holiday from the UK got shot at Caprice 2 weeks ago, as there is a gang war going on over turf and security.

Russian mafia with a certain Colored gangster have teamed up to get rid of the current hierarchy (Jewish mafia and ex-pro fighters who run the doors with a certain Colored gang that run properties).

I will let you know where not to go as there's certain upmarket places being targets.

Don't let the color of your skin or anything like that discourage you man. Hit me up when you are here and I will show you around, given it's in July.

Also, 16 days is a short amount of time. People come here for a week and severely regret it. I have been stuck here for 3 years already.

@Spursfan (shame about your team choice)

It's easy for white guys to get laid assuming you have at least some game and don't look like a gremlin.

That being said, Cape Town girls are cliquey. They fall in to the categories of:

a) Cliquey with their girls
b) Cliquey with girls and a group of guys for security (usually uni students)
c) Cliquey with their girls and gay friends (usually the hottest ones)

You will find c) at places such as HQ where it's a very mixed crowd, upmarket and a lot of hot women but a bit older 25+.

b) are usually in long st. or kloof st.

a) are pretty much everywhere, you don't find women on their own here given the reputation this city has

This means that if you move here, you will get ONS but will migrate towards a LTR eventually simply because of the amount that people talk and the reputation you will get. I remember after 3 months of arriving, I went to a design expo with my cousin, pretending to work for his company, just to hit up dolls. I saw 5 girls (3 of whom I banged) who I had hooked up with since I had arrived there.

It's a small world as whites hang out with whites, coloreds with coloreds, blacks with blacks. The only mixing that takes place is either workplace, sports or with the 'woke' idiots at universities.

Let me know if you are moving here and I can advise further.

My experience, other RVF members who have come down and general tips:

- never got hustled, apart from this one time I banged a girl from Gabon (flag collection) and needed to ask her sister for permission to take her home. I mean, I will always give them money for their cab home but this is just manners.

- solo pays off but girls here feel safer and trust you if you have another guy with you. As much as I enjoyed solo, as a black guy, it will pay off as you won't come off as a scammer + social proof. Also, as girls aren't usually alone, it helps to juggle the crowd.

- always wear a condom. Regardless of girl.

- if you go for a massage, avoid town and stick to certain awesome places such Ubuntu. Otherwise, there is a naked massage parlour in loop st where it's $80USD an hour and you can take it as far as she wants you to. I don't suggest this kinda shit. You can get a 15 min massage for 5USD in Mavericks (strip club) but this is the main target of the aforementioned mafia.

- never ever wear gold or flash any valuables. I am serious. You will get hustled so quickly you won't even know how it happened. You are usually being watched and if you feel like a target, you probably are.

- if in doubt, uber.

- smoking areas are a popular place to come right.


@ OP: I would suggest booking a room in a hostel or a single room at the hostel above Yours Truly in Kloof.

Vibrant bar below, it's safer than any crummy place in Long St. and logistically it is king. This is if you wanna get laid a lot of and revolve around the centre. Otherwise, airbnb is great but watch out for pesky rules.

I hope this helps, I'll let a JHB boytjie come and tune you about JHB.

PM if you are around or want any further info.

Damn you dropped plenty of jewels my friend. Im about to pm you.
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#32

Johannesburg or Cape Town and why?

@Noir

Awesome info mate. A perfect summary of Cape Town. I will let you know the next time I am back in town. I would just add a few things for everyone who wants to hook up with Afrikaans girls:

- Great locations for meeting them is at rugby games at Newlands. These girls love rugby and are always hanging around the stadium before and after the game. Man how i miss those Stormers games.

- Do regular trips to Stellenbosch. It is a student town about 45 minutes away from Cape Town. It is full with Afrikaans students partying from Tuesday night till Saturday night.

@spursfan
If you stay there long term and want to bang chicks outside your race you need to be smart about it since Cape Town is very clicky and people know each other. If you are interested in some Afrikaans chicks and they would find out it is very likely that they are done with you.
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#33

Johannesburg or Cape Town and why?

Quote: (05-04-2017 06:41 AM)superschalk Wrote:  

@Noir

Awesome info mate. A perfect summary of Cape Town. I will let you know the next time I am back in town. I would just add a few things for everyone who wants to hook up with Afrikaans girls:

- Great locations for meeting them is at rugby games at Newlands. These girls love rugby and are always hanging around the stadium before and after the game. Man how i miss those Stormers games.

- Do regular trips to Stellenbosch. It is a student town about 45 minutes away from Cape Town. It is full with Afrikaans students partying from Tuesday night till Saturday night.

@spursfan
If you stay there long term and want to bang chicks outside your race you need to be smart about it since Cape Town is very clicky and people know each other. If you are interested in some Afrikaans chicks and they would find out it is very likely that they are done with you.


Yes Schalk, I live near the stadium and it's a lekker hotspot for them ladies.

In addition, for finding them in Southern Suburbs;

- The Toad and Josephine in Newlands
- Hudsons in Claremont
- Forries in Newlands
- Oblivion/Banana Jam/Fat Harry's in Harfield Village
- La Parada in Constantia (the roundabout before you turn off to Hout Bay)

These are more upmarket places.

Northern Suburbs is where most of them live so any Sat there is a rugby game is a good bet.

Perhaps another person living in NS can chime in.

Also, anywhere in Stellenbosch (the source)

You will find a lot of girls DTF black guys in Observatory as well but there is a whole white privilege bs thing going on there now with the dumbass students.

These are reasonable establishments, I won't suggest any other places in Southern Suburbs as they would be a waste of time.
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