[doc holliday]

(05-01-2017 12:10 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

(04-30-2017 07:28 PM)Tigre Wrote:  

What would it take to just unfriend each other on social media?

(04-30-2017 08:17 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

Just to repeat - if you take social media out of the equation - you don't have a problem!

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Its purely the social media giving you all the drama!

I'm going to go against the grain here and say social media isn't the problem. At least not in this situation. Most of the time when a guy posts about 'his girl' putting up pics of other guys on Facebook, ect, there is a fair number of replies telling him that social media is the problem, when it's really just a symptom.

Yeah, bitches attention whore on social media. But bitches attention whore anyway.

If a chick is yours, she isn't posting pics of her going out with other guys on facebook. It's really that simple. The problem here is that she doesn't care about OP.

Chicks who are enamored with their man don't play them to the left and make that an obvious fact. When they create a situation like this, where the OP is left wondering why "she cares but doesn't care" or "is invested but won't invest" or "gets mad when I am with someone else but she's also with someone else" i can only refer to Rollo's article of The Medium is The Message.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying social media isn't A problem with women per se. It certainly is. However it's not the source of the narcissistic behavior. It simply exacerbates it. Saying the OP just shouldn't creep on her FB (albiet correct) does not address the fundamental problem which is his feeling the need to creep on her FB.

He can't unsee the pics she's posted of her with other guys, so that genie is out of the bottle, re-applying the blinders at this point does nobody any good.

What he needs to accept is that she does this type of thing for a reason.

Now what that reason is specifically isn't for me to say, but I'd wager that she's not doing it to get a reaction out of him. Even though that's what he wants to believe.

OP, you need to define your terms. Then make a decision, and act on it. Stop trying to straddle the line here, you're only going to drive yourself crazy. You're all over the map on this. You love her, you dont. She was going to send you the money, but didn't. You care, but you don't. Don't try to have it all, because you can't. It seems to me the OP has more interest in looking 'internet cool' to RVF (see the numerous justifications above on why he's not a sponsor and how she's actually really into him and how we're the naive ones here for doubting that) than actually getting what he wants, whatever that is. More on that later...

Now for this post:

(05-01-2017 10:26 AM)Jack_Smith Wrote:  

Here's a thought -

Give her up for 30 days.

No contact. No social media. You can even tell her that you're going to be off the grid for a couple weeks if you want, but just give her up 100% for 30 days and see what happens.

I am on Day 13/30 with my #1. Here's why.

No big current issue, but I got oneitis pretty bad in the Fall and worked my ass off to break out of that, fuck other girls, and etc. She's been preoccupied with exams/school and wasn't down the last two times I hit her up. No big. She's got legit shit going on, proposes other dates when she can't make it, invests when we hang , dresses for me like a good little sub. All good. Also, I am not her BF, nor do I want to be, have fucked other girls and have another girl currently in play.

So what's the problem?

I caught myself really feelin it the last time she said no. Then ruminating over that shit. Then checkin her out on social media (totally retarded, I don't even facebook). This type of hamstering, left unchecked, will turn one into a bitch.

Simple solution - just take 30 days off.

I don't see the point in any of that. Again you are addressing a symptom and not the problem. Some of you guys act as if enjoying time spent with your chick is a sin or something. I really don't fucking get it.

What's wrong with enjoying the company of your chick?

What's wrong with just letting things develop naturally?

What's with the constant need to qualify one's statements about your relationships with stuff like "i'm not her bf" and "i've fucked other girls so i don't get oneitus"

Whether it's to prove your alpha status to RVF, or to yourself, that seems to be the motivation behind such statements.

The entire purpose of game and self development is to improve ones life, improve ones social skills and results with women. So what good is any of it if we get so hung up on "not being her bf" ect (and making a point to pad out and qualify our statements here with that claim, in order to not seem beta) when the end result is you end up losing a chick you actually do care about, even if you claim you don't? The proof is in the putting, and there's a whole 'lotta putting here in this thread.

Bottom line, OP, and Jack Smith, is if you don't invest in a chick, eventually...eventually, they move on. Tight game will extend this grace period, but only for so long. So either decide you want to be with a chick or don't and when the time comes to make that decision, make it. Or it will be made for you.

Overgaming and internet alpha'ing is a real thing.

Rhyme or Reason's post here should be stickied and read by everyone in the game forum. Nothing wrong with having some feelings for a chick and enjoying her company. Another thing I'd add is why is that dudes take so much pleasure in fucking other dude's gf's and then laughing at the poor guy behind his back. I've never understood how that makes you more "alpha". To me it makes you an insecure fucking asshole.

[Travel Museums]

I have feelings for her. I guess I even love her. But I've been around the world doing this for ten years. It's a juggling act. I have other girls I basically feel the same way about. I love them but for various reasons a real LTR wouldn't work.

I still want to have relationships with all of them at the same time. Well not at the SAME time. But staggered according to regional weather patterns. Crazy right?

When I was driving around the USA in a camper I found it was best to contact girls two weeks in advance. Then roll through sometime within that time frame. Anymore or less and they'd think I was texting a lot of girls and get jealous and rebuff me.

But internationally I like to have a little more security and planning. The travel is more of a commitment. The weather window for travel or festivals is spaced further out.

When I say I don't really care. I'm not trying to be cool. Maybe a little. I'm being practical. Emotionally I'm effected. I'm not a robot.

But I don't really care what she and this guy are doing because I'm off doing my own thing. I'm trying not involved in her day to day life besides a little texting. She's free to do whatever she wants. I figured she had sponsors and orbiters and boyfriends. It's not a surprise.

But if I don't act upset she says I don't care. So I have to say stuff like "I don't like thinking about you banging other guys. But because I love you I want you to be having fun and enjoying life. Not waiting for me. I'm gone for months. That's selfish and not fair to you. Live your life." This is essentially true. It's how I feel. It's realistic.

But if I'm silent and not saying anything (nexing) that's no good either. She'll end up pregnant or married. Plus I want her saving money for our trip. And making sure she has the free time blocked out. Im talking enough for 3-4 months next winter.

It's become a constant annoying distraction to be involved in a love triangle. I've been long distance drama so I'm hardened to the emotional side. I just stopped deeply caring about things out of my control. And feeding into the emotional crap let's girls manipulate me. But they do need some expression of my sincerity towards them. They have options close to home.

I just want to focus on the practical side which is spending time with her. She already subsidized my trip to Laos last year paying for my hotel for a few weeks.

It's boring to spend much more time there. So now when I see her I want to travel internationally or go on a multi day trek deep in the wilderness and visit ethnic minorities.

Not really the same as "hos in different area codes". I'm not talking about driving an hour to bang a chick then go home and watch Netflix.

I'm constantly out of touch with her for days to a week or two I guess. I don't keep track. Sometimes I can fire out a few texts then I'm off grid for several days. Then back for an hour. Then off. It's erratic.

I texted back with her. Shell send me the money. That was nonissue.

She kept saying the same stuff like "I don't believe you truly love me" "I see you look at other girls when we are together" "if you truly love me why would you say I can date other guys". She wouldn't say whether she loved this other guy. Only that he is a safe choice. She went on and on about loving me. Sent me photos of her crying in bed.

This is what I want to avoid. I didn't creep on her Facebook bc I'm obsessed. I was on there for 30 sec to grab screen shots so I could point out to her she does the same shit. I never bring it up. So stop bringing it up to me. Cut the crap. (A platonic girl I know in Laos had sent me other photos but asked me not to share them with her. I didn't ask her. She was just trying to warm me bc she likes me as a friend.)

[Going strong]

Quoting her: "if you truly love me why would you say I can date other guys", well, she is actually right. If you love a woman, you can't accept to (sexually) share her with other dudes, or abandon her to strange foreign "sponsors" for months. So you don't love her, and therefore there is no point in torturing yourself over this chick.

[Travel Museums]

I agree. I don't like it. But I'm off traveling for months banging other girls. You want me to put her in a burka and chain her to the wall? That's not gonna work either.

That's why I love her/have mixed feelings. Hard to love a chick all sweet and happy with those things going on and she's also guilt tripping you half the time. Plus I'm off investigating if other cultures might have better women/dynamics.

I'm not completely fine with her banging dudes. I'm not telling her to do that. I'm not going to be naive about it though. Or try to police her life from abroad. She's a free person.

Obviously this approach has drawbacks. Then she says I don't care. I do. That's why I'm not trying to steal half her life every year. If I'm not around for 8 months that's a huge chunk of her youth gone. That's crazy selfish.

She insists her sponsor was in the past. The boyfriend says it's a done deal too.

[Travel Museums]

I reread rhyme reason post on social media being a symptom not the problem. I looked st her FB.

I disagree. A quick scan she has only pics of her and friends. Then lots with me. This dude only pops up twice. Both this week.

Possible she deleted stuff. But I doubt it. The pics on FB are what set my friend in Laos to contact me. She's been friends on there for years.

My take is she wants monogamy. She can't handle an open relationship. Too much cognitive dissonance. Most chicks are this way.

She got jealous of a video I had with a random chick while she's stuck at home recovering from an accident. Wall of text from here. Then this dude pops up. I have solved the crime, chuckle. She's giving me a taste of my own medicine. Facepalm. This is exactly what I don't want to get into. It's childish and bizarre.

It's not rocket science. This chick liked every single post for 8 months straight. I'm not saying she's an angel. But I know she has some genuine feelings too.

She also put that she's in a relationship with this guy on her FB status. It was 15 minutes after I didn't answer her late night texts pleading for me to respond. That's a bit much.

Social media really does have a dark side. I think I need to manage my own social media presence as much as whatever I say to her. Christ.

[kaotic]

Dude just this thread is more work than she's probably worth.

This sounds like an awful headache with you repeating over and over about her.

You can't have your cake and eat it in this scenario.

My "different hoes in different area codes" was a figure of speech, not to be taken literally.

In you case you have different girls in different countries.

With these types of girls you lock them down as a sure thing when you come to town - you do this by maintaining a friendly but infrequent texting/messaging with them.

These girls you filter should know the score when you come to town and when you're away.

I've use, "When I'm with you I'm with you, when I'm not, I'm not." To decent effect on woman

It's PAINFULLY clear that's not the case with this girl in question.

You're literally trying to have a relationship with this girl while traveling to other countries.


It's IMPOSSIBLE, and worse yet you've let a TON of emotions get involved between you two.

To matters even more worse, there are other men involved, what you two do with other people is an obvious open secret.

A hottie with options ISN'T going to wait around for you unless you got some A grade game man.

OF COURSE she wants monogamy, she openly admits, the other guy is a "safe bet" meaning she's "settling" for this dude. AKA she'd dump his ass in a minute if you committed, but let's be real, you won't, she's isn't wifey material.

You need to understand, if you travel alot, the relationships you have will just be flings, the women will be fleeting, unless they tag along with you on your trips.

There's alot you need to admit and accept in order to see what this whole relationship with this girl is.

Fundamentally - you've got the game lifestyle and seem seasoned.

From a game perspective, you've got alot to work on, especially figuring what a women is to you in a given situation.

[Travel Museums]

Solid advice. But I wants my cake. Everyone told me impossible with other shit in my life. I put my mind to it. I managed to study abroad every semester of college and lock in a 3.9, then retire at 26 and travel the world. Don't give up on the dream!

[kaotic]

One can dream that's absolutely fine, but going back to the same result with her over and over, that's called insanity dude.

The juice isn't worth the squeeze, if you're this successful, it shouldn't be hard to find another hottie like her on your travels.

You've got the time, money, and resources.

Hell it'd be amazing if you wrote up a data sheet on you became so successful and how you were able to retire so early.

[RatInTheWoods]

(05-01-2017 12:10 PM)Rhyme or Reason Wrote:  

I'm going to go against the grain here and say social media isn't the problem. At least not in this situation. Most of the time when a guy posts about 'his girl' putting up pics of other guys on Facebook, ect, there is a fair number of replies telling him that social media is the problem, when it's really just a symptom.

If a chick is yours, she isn't posting pics of her going out with other guys on facebook. It's really that simple. The problem here is that she doesn't care about OP.

This chick isn't his, I don't think the OP is delusional enough to think she is his.

Not the way it works with chicks in Asia. Sure she's like to marry and defund him, but her heart is not his.

In some ways they both similar to each other, simply using each other in an loveless display of resources for GFE transaction, in travel format. Common setup in Asia.

But Asia has the added layer of "face", and when I say social media is at the heart of the problem, I mean she is losing face when her girls see the dude being a butterfly.
When you are "playing the game" (GFE for resources) in Asia, you have to play the game. You can't pretend she isn't your soulmate, can't mention other girls etc etc

Also, shes lost interest because hes been tight, asking for money and not paying for the honey.

Couple this with a new meal tick on the scene, and well shes lost to him.

They only way you will get her back on tour is if you cut the media feed, AND it fits in with Beta boyfriend being back in Denmark... AND you start paying for shit again.

Then she love you long time like before.

[Travel Museums]

I've tried to find other girls.
-They usually can only travel a few weeks.
-Or they steal shit.
-Or their personality is too annoying.
-Or their massage sucks.

I tried living in a bunch of world cities: New York, Los Angeles, Miami, DFW, Tokyo, Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong, Singapore... For a few months each.

Maybe half the time I was able to land decent women. They would give me a key and invite me to stay with them with come and go privileges.

I never really milked those relationships. I should have used them as a base and explored each region from there. But I felt it was taking advantage. I just came back for short visits of a week or two a few times a year.

Some relationships even came with huge perks. A rich Chinese girl let me use her driver and paid for a lot of stuff. (Then got distraught when I turned her marriage proposal down.)

After about a year or so they realize I'm not going to settle down. The relationship becomes strained. They get jealous of my travels and thoughts of other women.

I feel dumb not milking those girls situations. Because now they're gone. Depending on the girls personality some still talk to me. Some don't.

What REALLY would be work would be getting something going again with those chicks.That's why I want an international/long-distance system to manage this chick (and future chicks).

I've gotten my game down to things being OK for a year or so. I'm just not sure how to keep them spinning longer than that.

Some stuff just defies game. The international arbitrage a white westerner foreigner gets with SEA seems great at first. But these new visa issues fuck it up long term.

It's an expiratiom date stamped on your relationship. The Laos girl brought up how I can't make monthly visa runs to Thailand anymore. I'd have to fly which would be cost prohibitive. Her BF is pushing that hard on why I'm not a viable option.

I'm thinking to tell her we'd have to travel internationally again. That we will discuss the issues and come up with a solution. Then I get my trip.

[Travel Museums]

Update:

No innovation here. I just ended up managing this chick like an MLTR. I hate doing it. Oh well. I got what I wanted.

It's not back to square one. I get my money. I get my trip next year. The boyfriend is boxed out. All it took was some texting. And lying. And manipulating. It was annoying. But easy.

She wouldn't go for an open relationship. She wants one dude. I guess that's a good thing.

I've banged other girls in Asia who said they were in open relationships with expats. None of them seemed special. Otherwise they'd have a real boyfriend. Right?

So yeah... basically I had to tell some "untruths". Timeline of past week:

-Me: continue my thing sightseeing around Manhattan. Posting lots of pics and video including nightlife.
-She: sent me money for ticket I bought her, plus half the cancellation. Moneygram charges $15 ouch!
-Boyfriend: losing his shit emotionally a second time.

I told this guy straight up. I can't understand him. He speaks Lao and lives there. He has access to 100% of the market. I have access to 1%. Yet he's asking me to not text her back and let them live a happy life. He ran zero counter game?

I told them both I was thinking if trip went well. I might pop the question and try to do a fiancé visa. But trip didn't work out, so that's off.

So all week both their hamsters are spinning like crazy. Tons of texting. NY is my hometown so easier for me to respond while traveling without distraction.

She realizes she fucked up. She opens up and told me her "true" life story. No surprise. It was everything I had figured from day one. Still sanitized her working as a massage girl.

Left her village at 18 for Vientiane. Worked at a factory for shit money. Payed a lot to learn sewing machine. Didn't have money to buy her own. Didn't have a home to set one up.

Rather than work in factory she tried working in the market with a relative. Shit money. Tried studying English and massage 3 months. Claims on first day she was too scared. Met a guy who offered to support her.

Milked this older guy for 6-7 years. Brought entire family to Vientiane. Built her parents a house. Put her siblings through college. She was only one who didn't go.

She tried learning English at Univ level three times but gave up. Found some friends to practice with. Spent all her time shopping and folling around. Doing nothing. She learned to drive her new car. He moved her into her own house.

Fast forward. Dude got cancer and went back to France. Not sure why he can't keep sending her money. Told her that healthcare there is free. But he has kids and a wife I guess.

My guess he got tired of her. She refused to get a degree and take over his business interests in Laos. So he sold it and left.

Apparently he really is sick. She thought he'd be coming back quickly. But now realizes he can't. It's been going on three years.

She claims she didn't have other guys before or after him. Only me. Then this other guy. The boyfriend always said she had at least two other short term foreign guys he knew about.

She added me to her main Facebook. It's been open about a year. Same as her secondary which I was friended on.

It still says she's in a relationship with the boyfriend. That's been 10 days now. I know they both feel stupid taking it down. All his friends already message congratulations.

I upped the stakes asking her to come to USA on a tourist visa. I want to get my RV out of SoCal. It's been stored at LAX for years. Haven't been using it to justify the cost.

Thought it'd be fun to drive it back to NY. Can leave it with family free. Suggested we could hit the national parks in Pacific Northwest then head east. Zero expense for her to see USA. Not a trip I'd want to do alone at 35.

Push came to shove she can't come. She invested all her savings with PS water company.

It was kicking out 18% monthly to entice poor Lao people. Then stopped paying out. Now there's a run on it. She has to stick around all summer to make sure she gets her money back.

She has multiple accounts they're only making one refund per account a month. Crazy. Some company did this a few years ago and Lao people lost everything when the scheme collapsed.

Social media is a huge problem. I agree it's still just a symptom. People have always cheated or had plates spinning. The social media makes it almost impossible not to get caught.

Even if you don't get caught there's still enough circumstantial evidence to make your player life annoying if you don't just cut off every single chick you fuck when you're done with her. And managing multiple chicks is similarly irksome.

Imagine ten years ago. A dude traveling around the world like me could manage as many chicks as he had time to text with. Now one slip up by getting tagged and you're fucking out. Sucks.

She was playing the game fairly well until she got wrapped up with this knucklehead. He was doing dumb shit like posting the photos. Putting the public "relationship status" up.

She actually told me she was being careful not to put any photos of me on her FB for my protection. So my other girls wouldn't see. Aww how nice.

The boyfriend finally sent angry texts to me. I guess when I flushed the pot with talk of (previous ideas of) marriage, us visa, etc her mind was made up.

She just wants to go back to our prior arrangement. With added stipulation she will cut this dude out. He can't handle her talking with me. She even said we will go on another trip next fall. She will get all her money back and pay for herself too.

I had to basically tell her the same thing. Not sure how I'll maneuver back to other chicks. Don't want to rock the boat too early. I guess I'll just be more careful about social media.

So about what I thought. A week of texting everyday. And I get what I want.

Thankfully the time difference meant I could text mostly while running my morning and evening cardio.

Not gonna lie. I did lost one night of sleep staying up to hear her "full confession" of her life's timeline. That screwed me up for two days. Was visiting family anyway.

Hope this post will help someone. Basically you can try for open relationship. If that doesn't work you have to lie and box out the competition.

[DVY]

Bro you have issues. You need to stop for your sanity and this girls....

unless you really want to wife up a sponsored massage girl/sugarbabby/greencard-hunting girl.

Obviously this will fall on deaf ears because you are so self-centered that its impossible for you to realize the havoc you are causing.

Last im posting or checking on this thread.

Last call to that inner voice inside to tell you to wise up.

[Tigre]

(05-11-2017 12:23 AM)Travel Museums Wrote:  

She just wants to go back to our prior arrangement. With added stipulation she will cut this dude out. He can't handle her talking with me. She even said we will go on another trip next fall. She will get all her money back and pay for herself too.

I had to basically tell her the same thing. Not sure how I'll maneuver back to other chicks. Don't want to rock the boat too early. I guess I'll just be more careful about social media.

So about what I thought. A week of texting everyday. And I get what I want.

If I understood this right - you didn't get what you want, yet.

What you have is a commitment to do something many months into the future. Made by someone who you already know will lie to you and break their word at a moment's notice.

And you have given her commitments from your side, most of which are illusionary and that you won't deliver on.

Good luck with that.

[kaotic]

OP your post isn't helping anyone - it actually shows how much simping you're doing and how much of a pedestal you're putting this gold digging whore on.

This is sadly hilarious - OP didn't learn A DAMN THING from the advice on this forum.

Still chasing a used and abused gold digger with a cucked boyfriend.

What a joke - good god social media is cancer.


Here are lessons player's should take away from this:

-Don't be a SIMP
-Screen girls carefully
-It's not your pussy, it's just your turn
-Always have different girls on deck
-Don't ever put a girl on a pedestal
-If you know a girl is a gold digger, don't give her shit, let her earn your lifestyle
-Avoid social media, and avoid adding hoes to your social media
-Long distant relationships DO NOT WORK
-Most of all: AVOID mistakes OP made.

[Travel Museums]

You guys have this ideal in your heads which is fine. I do too. But I'm not stuck on it.

I have to live in the real world. Most attractive SEA women who fuck with foreigners have a similar scenario. I stopped being so bothered by this shit. With this specific girl I figured as much from day one!

She has a combo of positive qualities that are hard to find. Especially when you're traveling around. Attractive, sweet, caring, paid for herself, is trustworthy not to steal, speaks English, gives amazing massage, never complains, not annoying, etc.

I don't know why some of you get so hung up on me paying $10 for guesthouses, or $100 for her ticket home. She paid me back.

On a previous trip I was gansta. I made her pay for my entire hotel stay. She did it without blinking in eye.

I'm not saying she's a "good girl" nor a "bad girl". That childish. Some guys go to SEA to find a traditional virgin and wife her. It's possible I guess. I'm not trying to do that.

Put yourself in this girl's shoes. She grew up in a village foraging for food and bathing in a river. You expect her to waste her youth and looks working in a factory when dudes be like let me buy you a house, car, sponsor your entire family? I don't.

At the same time she was lazy and dumb not to get some kind of education or skill that could make her independent. So she's stuck with no job skills and dependable way to earn decent money.

What I hope guys can take away from this is seeing both sides of the coin. This is an issue for guys getting involved with hot uneducated girls in SEA. I read the Bangkok and Fisto threads so I wasn't naive about it. It sounded like they loved every minute of it. Kudos. I had my fun too.

But now I have no interest partying instead of sightseeing and plugging away at average chicks who ended up stealing, blackmailing, etc. I want time to enjoy the travel.

I went to every single destination in Laos and Chiang Rai with this girl. It was awesome. The drama was annoying. So I'm just looking for better ways to manage it. There been some guts making comments on social media making things worse. I agree. I know it's a symptom. But I'm a millennial. I'm not ready to give it up.

I think what most some of you have a hard time understanding is my prioritizing the travel over new pussy (or maybe trying to find an educated chick on a gap year). I don't care much about having a two week vacation with a wealthy upper class girl. I did that many times already. They end up giving me the same girly routine too. Plus their personalities and massage sucks. I'll just take the massage and manage the drama. Sue me.

[Travel Museums]

Wrote a letter and gave a modest donation to a local non profit that teaches disabled Laos women textile skills. Why?

Told them about this girls situation. Said she'd be in touch. Please accept her into a 6 month course if she shows aptitude. If not use it for a land mine victim. She's not disabled but I looked at their website and some students just lost their parents and shit like that. Not much choice trying to find a suitable NGO.

I hate being texted with all this dumb drama. Because of the time difference it wakes me up. I started turning my phone off at night. Not like the texts makes sense anyway. Her and this guy both text me.

Not sure what else I can do for this girl. I couldn't find any other reputable English speaking nonprofits in that field googling it.

She's not getting cash from me. She never asked. I've still made it clear. The expat boyfriend offered her one or two million kip if she chooses him. I scoffed.

She has no job skills. She already tried to learn the sewing machine many years ago and it didn't work out. It's so pathetic. She just won't work.

She's been admanant about sewing machine business last few weeks. Insists she can do it now bc she has a house to set up shop and blah blah. But the training is 15000 Baht in some ladies home plus another 3 million kip for buying the machines. Sounds like a risky investment to me. Probable scam.

This girl already has a fully functional loom in her garage. In 1.5 years knowing her the same half finished textile has been sitting there. All she does everyday is hangout with her little clique. None of them work.

Yet I have so much cash. It's hard to be a Scrooge. But she's gotta have some kind of investment into the process. Says her monthly bills are $300/month for house and car. Told her to rent her house and stay with family. I might as well have told her to go on a mars mission.

And she still has this other expat losing his shit emotionally. A few days ago he sent me a secret recording of them chatting. What a weirdo. I've got him on ignore.

She thought she could live off a bad investment of 30 million kip. A company was kicking out 4-6% per month. Dunno why I thought it was 18%. Anyway they're about to collapse. She'll be very lucky to get any of it back.

I'm starting to lose my respect for laos. Apparently there are a ton of companies (20) that illegally solicited investment from poor Laos people and are about to fold. This happens every few years.

The govt "cracked down" on its own corruption and recovered billions of kip stolen by politburo members. There's only 5 companies Laos people can legally invest in. 5!

She seems to genuinely realize the party is over. She needs to switch gears. She's gotten too old for sponsorship. What a headache!

This is a very interesting perspective for me on life.

[thebassist]

I've got a somewhat different take on this whole situation. Maybe I'm being a bit of a white knight here (feel free to criticize), but here goes:

Like you said she has zero employable skills, and those half-hearted plans to learn how to sew for a living are most likely delusional, since I'd hazard a guess that the average Lao who earns a living sewing is living a lifestyle level with the poverty line.

Since you say you 'live in the real world', what do you have to offer this girl besides dick and good company? And what do you think is going to happen once her looks continue to fade (since it seems like she's approaching that stage), and you no longer want to fuck her? Given the amount of red flags that have been brought up over the course of this thread there's no way you're going to consider wifing her up or anything like that.

I can tell you actually care for this girl and are quite emotionally invested in her. How are you going to deal with the reality of her getting older, and her realizing that she's going to slide slowly into poverty and drudgery, and that she's missed her last chance to snag a ticket out? It's the fucking third world man, I think you're forgetting this in whatever romantic notions you have for stretching out your relationship with this girl, but there are no fucking safety nets out there, especially once her looks have dried up. The whole time that she's going through this process she will put you through the emotional rollercoaster with her, as she comes to terms with the fact that she missed her chance. Once the panic truly hits, she will be doing absolutely everything in her power to get you to save her, since it would be because of you that she turned away the previous suitors who could have guaranteed some kind of security. You'd have to be one cold-ass motherfucker to just shrug it off, and just say fuck it, walk away, and leave her with the cold hard reality of being a post-wall woman with absolutely nothing to offer in a third-world country. Again, what do you think is going to happen at this point?

The best course of action would be to cut off your relationship completely (spend some time in the no-contact thread) and just let her snag up some foreign beta with whatever remains of her looks. Trust me, it will be easier on your conscience this way, rather than to squeeze out the last drops of fun and sex, and then be dragged along as you watch her life slowly descend into misery.

There was a pretty interesting thread a while back (I've searched but I can't find it), where the premise was that you should drop any girl that you're dating after a specified period of time (maybe 1-2) years if she's in her peak years as a female- the premise being that you are taking away her best future options for her by wasting away her youth with no intention of commitment (which is a huge shame if the girl in question has positive qualities). This should honestly count triple in a third-world country, where the implications of not being able to find a reasonable suitor for a woman with absolutely no skills are pretty fucking dire.

So in my opinion, if you do actually care about her well-being as you say, just walk away man. It will be better for the both of you.

[thebassist]

Taking the time to review my above post I realize that it came out too dramatic, since I was annoyed by a couple of the OP's previous posts.

I guess just be aware of the consequences of your actions- the longer you invest time and emotion into this girl the more she will try to suck you in to be her ticket out, since you're forcing her to drop her other options.

Especially now that she is slowly realizing that her looks are fading, she will become increasingly open to resorting to manipulative means to entrap you, since you're a rich foreigner with the rare ability to give her the tingles unlike the other rich thirsty foreigners there. Once reality kicks in for her she will do whatever it takes so that she doesn't slide back to poverty.

All I'm saying is that if you continue your relationship, don't be surprised if she calls you and tells you that she's pregnant with your kid at some point in time. What would you do in that situation?

[Travel Museums]

I try to nut outside her pussy. No babies.

I do love and care for this girl. But common did you read all the shit she has gotten away with? It started long before me. She had a guy buy her house, car, parents house, educated all her siblings, and tried to get her to study in Univ 3 times. Offered his business to her before leaving.

Whiles she's a hard worker in some ways she's extremely lazy and stubborn in others. She's accelerated her own decline by not even exercising. I ask her what she did today. She never does anything besides hangout!

How do you help someone like that? With the constant lying too boot? You can't. You really can't. And yet I've still tried.

If anything I've done my part to straighten her out without being a total drag. I did offer her a free revenue generating website which she's to lazy to accept and put effort into maintaining. Even tried to SHOW her. At least she got a trip all around her own country. If she hadn't Fucked up she'd be getting one now all around the USA.

She's told me over and over she chooses me while one of her two facebooks still says she's in a relationship with another dude! Or in the same convo bringing that dude up right after saying she'll forget him.

She knows exactly what she's doing. So do I. She still can't figure out my tolerance/immunity to it.

You really think I'm to blame?

[Spidey]

Ignoring literally everything about the girl in this situation, my advice would be not to rely on others for making long term travel plans. Travel alone and meet people. You've been traveling for 10 years? You should know that most people make lavish plans only to decide last minute that they really can't go.

[Travel Museums]

Yeah but when I find a girl I like and have fun with who can travel for several months that's worth spending more time together. It's rare.

[Ringo]

What a clusterfuck.

What was the question again? Advice on how to manage the relationship?

The consensus is get out. Spare yourself from the drama and, more importantly, protect yourself from possible serious consequences. That's the general advice - you're just not listening.

You ramble back and forth too much and it's very hard to keep track. I guess it's just a symptom of how your brain and dick are hamstering in favor of keeping her.

No offense, it's hard to sympathize with you. You have money and time and can travel to exotic locations, yet you insist on putting yourself in a terrible position.

There's so many posts on this forum about guys with specific issues about girls. They think their situation is unique, but it's not.

Phoenix's post on Page 1 was excellent. Either you crap or get out of the pot.

There's no holding onto people, times, situations, locations. You can only enjoy the moment while it lasts because it's always changing. To expect anything else is half naiveté, half recklessness.

In your shoes, as soon as another dude contacted me I'd be like:



Maybe it's not apparent to you, but for many people here your situation is a mix of oneitis, arrogance and selfishness. I think you're just lacking enough distance from it to be able to see it for what it is.

[Travel Museums]

Or I don't care

So far I haven't gotten much in the way of:

I had a sponsorette with similar issues and here's what my experience was like.

Or I had a few 7-8s I kept in touch with and traveled with and stayed with for a year or two. I'm also asking in general for a good strategy. I've done this with many girls now. It's usually good for about a year then shit goes downhill.

Just a lot of stuff about oneitis. Put yourself in my shoes. I travel full time. It's damn near impossible to connect with a girl who checks all my boxes and can travel with me for an extended period of time.

Really the only problem with this girl is I can't stay in her home for free bc it's against the law in Laos to be alone with her. The rest is more or less the same drama stuff I get with every girl I leave and keep in touch with.

[kaotic]

Dude's like Travel will never understand anything we say.

If guys want a TL;DR of this thread.

He loves and cares for a gold digging whore, and is captain save a hoe.

You can't gives guys like this advice, he's blinded by what I'd bet is mediocre pussy.

Enough said.

[Ringo]

(05-18-2017 03:20 PM)Travel Museums Wrote:  

Or I don't care

Right. This is literally how much you wrote in this thread, and I might have missed a post or two:



Still think you don't care?