[Herr Dickenstein]

Hello everyone, it's been a while. I thought that I had finally settled and yet, here I am again in the middle of a plot twist that resembles old soap operas. I need an advice from some of you more seasoned players out there since I don't want to share this information with anyone from my real life, even including my best buddies.

I was in a relationship with this girl for almost 2 years when she suddenly decided to dump me. Although she had some mood changes before (like all other women), we had a pretty good time. Perhaps I even tried too hard, I did all kinds of stuff for her which she didn't reciprocate (from small surprises to all kinds of romantic gifts), but all in all, I still believe that I'm a pretty rational person and didn't pedestalize her too much, despite obviously being in love. We had a lot of arguments in the end because she started to lose interest but I maintained my frame and gave her an ultimatum - "either you're going to act normal and stop with these irrational tantrums or I'm out of here". That's how we broke up.

Now here comes the plot twist. Her best friend is literally the most perfect red pilled woman one can imagine. Straight up wife material. She's completely oblivious to corruptions of our modern world, emotional, kind-hearted, simply amazing. You may think that I'm exaggerating, but whoever marries her one day will end up with one of the few remaining kind, traditional, hardworking and drop dead gorgeous women in this stinking corner of the world. She, heartbroken about our breakup, immidiately contacted me and told me how sorry she feels about everything and that I definitely didn't deserve to be treated like I was by her best friend.

The very same day, my (now ex) girlfriend also contacted me and said that she's sorry about everything, that she wants me back and that she'll never be ungrateful again.

Should I take her back (naturally, not right away, I'd still let her suffer the consequences of her actions for at least about a month before replying to her) and get my life back, or do something incredibly daring and try to go for her best friend? If I fail, I'd lose not only my girlfriend, but also friendship with that girl and become the very epitome of an asshole for everyone around us.

[Jetset]

(08-01-2017 08:58 AM)Herr Dickenstein Wrote:  

Now here comes the plot twist. Her best friend is literally the most perfect red pilled woman one can imagine. Straight up wife material. She's completely oblivious to corruptions of our modern world, emotional, kind-hearted, simply amazing. You may think that I'm exaggerating, but whoever marries her one day will end up with one of the few remaining kind, traditional, hardworking and drop dead gorgeous women in this stinking corner of the world. She, heartbroken about our breakup, immidiately contacted me and told me how sorry she feels about everything and that I definitely didn't deserve to be treated like I was by her best friend.

I get it. You're fresh out of a breakup and are idealizing the next piece of ass. It's OK.

However, be self-aware enough to see it for what it is.

The girlfriend has been acting irrational and batty. If you take her back, she'll learn that she can do this and you'll take her back.

I would suggest fucking her friend if that's on the table, because that's most likely something that's in the back of her friend's mind, and then walking away from the situation. The girlfriend should be demoted to nothing more than a plate, and finding out about you and her friend will probably set her straight about her behavior. You should take some time for self-improvement and independence so you can see things clearly. Do not try to jump into a new LTR with the friend, because that's just your grief over the lost LTR talking.

It's possible that the best friend and your ex wrote to you on the same day because the ex gave the best friend her side of the story and the best friend had a gut reaction that she was a delusional bitch and told her so, in kinder words. If that's the case, maybe the best friend isn't interested. We can't know because we aren't there. At the minimum, you could offer to meet for coffee to "catch up" and see what happens. This will enrage your ex beautifully whether it works out or not.

[Herr Dickenstein]

(08-01-2017 09:09 AM)Jetset Wrote:  



I get it. You're fresh out of a breakup and are idealizing the next piece of ass. It's OK.

However, be self-aware enough to see it for what it is.

The girlfriend has been acting irrational and batty. If you take her back, she'll learn that she can do this and you'll take her back.

I would suggest fucking her friend if that's on the table, because that's most likely something that's in the back of her friend's mind, and then walking away from the situation. The girlfriend should be demoted to nothing more than a plate, and finding out about you and her friend will probably set her straight about her behavior. You should take some time for self-improvement and independence so you can see things clearly. Do not try to jump into a new LTR with the friend, because that's just your grief over the lost LTR talking.

It's possible that the best friend and your ex wrote to you on the same day because the ex gave the best friend her side of the story and the best friend had a gut reaction that she was a delusional bitch and told her so, in kinder words. If that's the case, maybe the best friend isn't interested. We can't know because we aren't there. At the minimum, you could offer to meet for coffee to "catch up" and see what happens. This will enrage your ex beautifully whether it works out or not.

I know when I'm idealizing someone and when I'm not because I've been through several typical beta situations in the past. However, trust me, her best friend struck me as the most normal girl I'd ever seen since the first moment I got to know her almost 2 years ago. Of course I can't fuck her, you missed the part where I wrote that she's literally the most red pilled traditional wife material you could find. She's a virgin and won't go to bed with anyone before marriage. That alone sets her apart from 99% of her peers in the modern day western world.

What I'm wondering is, should I risk everything I have to secure the maximum prize or should I stay in my comfort zone with my current girlfriend who is, despite her apparent flaws, still better than 90% of her peers and I had the time of my life with her.

[Jetset]

(08-01-2017 09:23 AM)Herr Dickenstein Wrote:  

She's a virgin and won't go to bed with anyone before marriage.

How old is she?

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What I'm wondering is, should I risk everything I have to secure the maximum prize or should I stay in my comfort zone with my current girlfriend who is, despite her apparent flaws, still better than 90% of her peers and I had the time of my life with her.

No.

Again, I get it. You have good feels with your ex and miss nutting in her. This is normal.

This is because you have reduced your proximity to the lunatic antics that caused you to dump her in the first place, so the memories you wished to escape are fading while the desirable ones become more vivid.

If you want to take her friend out for coffee, do it. Be a social, cool man who makes light, breezy conversation with her friend and shows her how great everything is for you. Let that image burn into the friend's brain and get back to your ex. Don't be a creep and try to convert this into an LTR as a rebound, it'll make everyone uncomfortable.

You shouldn't be making a choice between two women right now. You should be smashing other women and if your ex is desperate enough to be with you, you should be using her as a plate, but I think it would be preferable to cut contact. Her bullshit made you miserable and you left for a reason. Don't lose sight of that.

[Herr Dickenstein]

(08-01-2017 09:29 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

How old is she?

23, almost 24. And to top it all off, she's drop dead gorgeous. And as if that wasn't enough, she has a character like an old bro, you can talk to her about anything for hours and I'm the only male figure in her life beside her father. I don't think I'm being even slightly unrealistic when I say that I won't find a better girl than her.

(08-01-2017 09:29 AM)Jetset Wrote:  

No.

Again, I get it. You have good feels with your ex and miss nutting in her. This is normal.

This is because you have reduced your proximity to the lunatic antics that caused you to dump her in the first place, so the memories you wished to escape are fading while the desirable ones become more vivid.

If you want to take her friend out for coffee, do it. Be a social, cool man who makes light, breezy conversation with her friend and shows her how great everything is for you. Let that image burn into the friend's brain and get back to your ex. Don't be a creep and try to convert this into an LTR as a rebound, it'll make everyone uncomfortable.

You shouldn't be making a choice between two women right now. You should be smashing other women and if your ex is desperate enough to be with you, you should be using her as a plate, but I think it would be preferable to cut contact. Her bullshit made you miserable and you left for a reason. Don't lose sight of that.

I did cut contact with her and I most certainly intend to gain a few notches before considering taking her back because that's a well deserved punishment.

[dark_g]

If this Best Friend is "the most perfect red pilled woman one can imagine. Straight up wife material and completely oblivious to corruptions of our modern world, emotional, kind-hearted, simply amazing". Then there is no way she is fucking you and screwing up her friendship with your Ex!

If she's just another slut, she WB you.

You could lose both for good in the process of trying to find out.


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[Herr Dickenstein]

(08-01-2017 09:46 AM)dark_g Wrote:  

If this Best Friend is "the most perfect red pilled woman one can imagine. Straight up wife material and completely oblivious to corruptions of our modern world, emotional, kind-hearted, simply amazing". Then there is no way she is fucking you and screwing up her friendship with your Ex!

If she's just another slut, she WB you.

You could lose both for good in the process of trying to find out.

That's the main problem, if I were 100% I could win her over, I wouldn't wait a single second. She definitely likes me. She's always on my side. There certainly is some mutual chemistry. She very well aware that we'd function perfectly together, but I'm not sure what she would do if she has to choose between her friend and I because she's the kind of person who always does what is right, and yet also never stops talking about "following your heart".

[Guitarman]

Herr Dickenstein, don't you realise that you are pedestalising this other girl, hard, just as you did your girlfriend.

Virgin, my arse, I bet she's had plenty of Dick.
In fact, I'm having difficulty accepting your level of naïveté and blue pilledness and extreme beta tendencies. You lost the last one because you constantly pedestalized her.

Now if you are serious and not a troll. Do this ; invite her friend over for some wine and a chat. Then fuck her friend. Then you'll find she's not a virgin. What you do after that is up to you, but please try and learn from your mistakes and don't worship women like princesses. Just stop it!!!

[Nick98]

(08-01-2017 11:08 AM)Guitarman Wrote:  

Herr Dickenstein, don't you realise that you are pedestalising this other girl, hard, just as you did your girlfriend.

Virgin, my arse, I bet she's had plenty of Dick.
In fact, I'm having difficulty accepting your level of naïveté and blue pilledness and extreme beta tendencies. You lost the last one because you constantly pedestalized her.

Now if you are serious and not a troll. Do this ; invite her friend over for some wine and a chat. Then fuck her friend. Then you'll find she's not a virgin. What you do after that is up to you, but please try and learn from your mistakes and don't worship women like princesses. Just stop it!!!

So you threw a bid blindfolded that a girl you've never seen and know nothing about that she's not virgin Just because you think all girls are not virgins ?
Then sayin that he's the troll , Are you sure that it isn't you ?

[Jetset]

Truly OP, take this under advisement:

She's almost 24, "drop dead gorgeous", and believes in 'following her heart'.

The idea that she's never followed her heart all the way to somebody's dick is pretty unlikely, and if she hasn't, it's because she's weaponizing all the attention she gets - or because she's secretly nutty and nobody wants to put up with her once they get a close look at the situation. You've put her on a pedestal taller than the Acropolis. Don't get sucked into this flowchart thinking where you only have these two choices, can't do better, and need to make up your mind between them. Maybe the best friend is a great girl but take a deep breath here and don't become the guy who thinks she's too good to mindlessly service your cock and ends up limiting his opportunities.

We won't be putting on an episode of "'Telling You What You Want to Hear' Theater". We're just being honest with you.

[Nick98]

Just for you to know a girl that comes from a very religious family has got a good chance for being a virgin. The state where live in is half filled with virgins.I think he is the one who sees here.. Let him talk don't accuse him for being a troll, Its possible Its just that you have never seen it.

[Jetset]

(08-01-2017 11:53 AM)Nick98 Wrote:  

Just for you to know a girl that comes from a very religious family has got a good chance for being a virgin. The state where live in is half filled with virgins.I think he is the one who sees here.. Let him talk don't accuse him for being a troll, Its possible Its just that you have never seen it.

A girl that comes from a very religious family has got a good chance for telling everyone in town that she's a virgin. This is not the same thing. I've known lots of religious women who "saved themselves". Where it was true, it was always a manipulation tactic to get more attention out of men because they were attractive enough to get away with it, and they gave up as soon as they were out of the hometown high school setting.

Then there's the laundry list of exceptions: she's a virgin 'except for' the cock in her mouth, the cock in her ass, the vacation cock, the foreigner cock, the drunk cock, the 'mistake' cock. Alternately, consider the one who doesn't count it because it was a "rape" because he must have "put something in her drink", since the next thing she knew she was in his shower and barely remembers anything...on three separate nights.

I am not discounting the possibility that she is a virgin, but OP is simply taking what he sees on the surface at face value. OP will repeat this cycle of destruction until he learns to stop idealizing women. If he pursues this woman with unrealistic fantasies he will over-invest, find out she isn't what he imagined, scare her off, and walk away bitter with a dry dick. There's no fun in that.

[MikeInRealLife]

How is a "gorgeous" "very traditional" woman 24 years old and not married with children already? If she's so hot yet so traditional, why hasn't she found a man to marry and make babies? That's the traditional thing to do, and at 24 she's quickly aging out of that market, if she really wants to be in it (I suspect she doesn't).

I live in an area with a huge number of deeply religious people (Mormons). The pretty, traditional, devout women are virtually all married by 19-20 and already have 2-3 kids by age 24. They typically marry dorky beta provider Mormon men, with not a Chad Thundercock to be seen anywhere.

[Going strong]

(08-01-2017 08:58 AM)Herr Dickenstein Wrote:  

If I fail, I'd lose not only my girlfriend, but also friendship with that girl and become the very epitome of an asshole for everyone around us.

In other words, you have nothing to lose. 1- The friendzoned friendship is worth nothing. Either you get to the next level, by fucking her, or you're getting nothing of value
2- The people around you can think whatever the heck they want, and actually they'll secretly admire your stamina and nerve, and envy you.

Go for it then; report here afterwards, please. Good luck!

[Sonoma]

Girlfriends are meant to be dumped. Stay away from the ex

New girl sounds great if she puts out, and if not, you'll be in the same boat as if you hadn't made a pass

[Frank Rook]

OP, looks like you're experiencing the anchoring effect. Your ex is your reference point. The best friend comes off looking benign and angelic in comparison. It's a common human error in assessing and decision making.

{You may think that I'm exaggerating, but whoever marries her one day will end up with one of the few remaining kind, traditional, hardworking and drop dead gorgeous women in this stinking corner of the world. She, heartbroken about our breakup, immediately contacted me and told me how sorry she feels about everything and that I definitely didn't deserve to be treated like I was by her best friend. }
That's pedestalization, man.
I'm not questioning your judgement of the best friend with regard to having desirable value. But your thoughts come across as clouded in sunshine rays for this potential rebound fairytale princess.
As has been advised above, go all in then. Push for the bang.
Prepare yourself for the possibility of not getting the ending you want though.

[Skank_Hunt]

Learn from my mistakes, my painful, painful mistakes...

Fuck her best friend. If your ex has a hot sister fuck her too. Just do it.

There is nothing worse than the regret of not fucking super hot best friends and super hot sisters and super hot cousins of your girlfriend because she will not be your girlfriend forever... but the regret of not fucking her friends and family never goes away.

When it rains it pours. If you have a GF who adores you it's common for her to have a hot sister or two who hear what their sister says about you and it's on a plate. That's not counting her cousins or even her mother if she stays in shape long enough. You can work your way through the entire family, but it requires a "can do" attitude, brass balls and a small dash of psychopathy.

It's also likely that your ex will secretly want you more once you bang her best friend as she sees that's what happens when she goofs.

[PapayaTapper]

(08-01-2017 08:58 AM)Herr Dickenstein Wrote:  

I need an advice from some of you more seasoned players out there

You asked for it. What I have for you isnt going to be pleasant but this seems like a good teachable moment. My intuition is that it will fall on deaf ears for OP but perhaps someone else reading this might benefit so here goes

(08-01-2017 08:58 AM)Herr Dickenstein Wrote:  

I was in a relationship with this girl for almost 2 years when she suddenly decided to dump me.

She met someone else but we'll get back to that

(08-01-2017 08:58 AM)Herr Dickenstein Wrote:  

Although she had some mood changes before (like all other women), we had a pretty good time. Perhaps I even tried too hard, I did all kinds of stuff for her which she didn't reciprocate (from small surprises to all kinds of romantic gifts), but all in all, I still believe that I'm a pretty rational person and didn't pedestalize her too much=, despite obviously being in love.

This is Game 101. "Trying too hard" aka/ pedestalization aka oneitis aka betatude...etc etc. All of this displays a fundamental lack of understanding of the female psyche, especially her attraction "mechanism".

Lets go a little deeper.

By "doing all kinds of stuff for her", romantic gifts etc you made yourself "smaller" metaphorically. A woman is attracted to someone that is "bigger" than her. I dont mean in physical size necessarily (although that can be a factor). To get to the root of what I mean lets go even deeper

Throughout history men have been drawn to stories about the hero. Myths , The legends, tales etc that compel masculine men are about heros. Heros that overcome adversity, defy the odds, conquer evil etc. Look no further than modern movies and you will see the same hero in a different skin: seemingly normal everymen that end up accomplishing the extraordinary. Neo in The Matrix, Luke Skywalker in Star Wars, King Arthur etc etc....the examples are almost endless. In every culture the myth of "the hero" is prevalent in the folklore. Even super heroes start out as ordinary men and through extraordinary circumstances are compelled to become great. These stories resonate with us because the hero could be us... with the required ingredients of course. We want to be the hero

For women the stories that resonate are not myths but rather fairytales Classic tales like Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Beauty And The Beast, Snow White etc have a common theme: the girl is not the hero but the one being rescued by him. Cinderella might be the central character in her story is not the hero. She is not vanquishing her evil step mother and step sisters but rather is being rescued from them by Prince Charming. They dont want to be the hero...they want the hero to choose them

The modern fairytale might look different but its themes are the same. One need only look at 50 Shades of Grey for example with this in mind to realize that its simply Cinderella's story with an R rated skin layered on. The 'heroine" of the story is waiting and hoping that the her "hero" (the billionaire, sexually dominant man) to save her from a life of bland mediocrity. Its no coincidence the crappy book sold millions of copies and a was turned into an equally crap movie...it's themes resonate with modern women

So what does this have to do with OPs story? Everything. Women are attracted to the hero, the knight, the leader, the father, the teacher...all larger paternal figures. The sidekick never gets the girl

If you turn yourself into the vassal, the assistant, the butler, she can NOT and will NOT remain attracted to you. By over investing emotionally and through deeds youve made yourself "smaller"...the metaphorical sidekick

(08-01-2017 08:58 AM)Herr Dickenstein Wrote:  

We had a lot of arguments in the end

This is our first clue. A woman that is supremely attracted is in fear of losing you...she was not

(08-01-2017 08:58 AM)Herr Dickenstein Wrote:  

because she started to lose interest

This part you got right

(08-01-2017 08:58 AM)Herr Dickenstein Wrote:  

but I maintained my frame and gave her an ultimatum - "either you're going to act normal and stop with these irrational tantrums or I'm out of here". That's how we broke up.

You didn't maintain frame nor give her an ultimatum What you have her was the "out" she was looking for so she could go jump on the new cock she was attracted to with a clear conscience

(08-01-2017 08:58 AM)Herr Dickenstein Wrote:  

because she started
Now here comes the plot twist. Her best friend is literally the most perfect red pilled woman one can imagine. Straight up wife material. She's completely oblivious to corruptions of our modern world, emotional, kind-hearted, simply amazing. You may think that I'm exaggerating, but whoever marries her one day will end up with one of the few remaining kind, traditional, hardworking and drop dead gorgeous women in this stinking corner of the world. She, heartbroken about our breakup, immidiately contacted me and told me how sorry she feels about everything and that I definitely didn't deserve to be treated like I was by her best friend.

I say go for it...you really have nothing to lose here

(08-01-2017 08:58 AM)Herr Dickenstein Wrote:  

The very same day, my (now ex) girlfriend also contacted me and said that she's sorry about everything, that she wants me back and that she'll never be ungrateful again.

That very same day your ex GF realized that the sexy bartender, musician, bad boy you gave her permission to go fuck with a clear conscience had no intention of being her next boyfriend. Shed been gamed, pumped and dumped.

Nothing so terrifies a monkey that just let go of a branch as finding out that the next branch isnt there.

So shes scrambling back

(08-01-2017 08:58 AM)Herr Dickenstein Wrote:  

Should I take her back (naturally, not right away, I'd still let her suffer the consequences of her actions for at least about a month before replying to her) and get my life back,

Until the next best thing comes along or her disdain for you turns into resentment and ultimately disgust. She will respect you even less now

(08-01-2017 08:58 AM)Herr Dickenstein Wrote:  

or do something incredibly daring and try to go for her best friend? If I fail, I'd lose not only my girlfriend, but also friendship with that girl and become the very epitome of an asshole for everyone around us.

As I said before.,,go for it You lost your girlfriend a while back. The only thing left is the delusion that you havent

What I want to know is which RVF member gamed Herr Dick's ex GF?.

[Jetset]

(08-02-2017 10:46 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

the regret of not fucking her friends and family never goes away

[Guitarman]

To the OP Herr Dick-in-Stein ; absolutely solid advice above from both Skank Hunt and Papaya Tapper.

Grow a pair and follow the advice. Remember you're the prize and not the woman.