[kapitaw]

I suppose I'm an outlier here, but my advice is not to be scared away by what you hear about Argentinian women. Last year I spent a couple of months traveling through Argentina and I had more luck here than I ever experienced in my life. Relied mostly on online game (Tinder was very effective for me) and slept with two girls (portena and paraguayan) my first week in Buenos Aires. Solid 7's, but pleasant to be around and easy to game.

Had even more luck traveling west, especially Mendoza. 5'9, 28 years old, maybe slightly above average looks, conversational to advanced Spanish, good style, mediocre game. I thought I would spend a couple of months traveling in Argentina without cracking the code and then head for somewhere "easier" like Colombia, but the women and my vibe mesh very well and I'm now happily living here and reaping all the benefits.

Argentinian culture is worth the trip alone, so come here and see for yourself if you'll have luck with the beautiful Argentinian girls.

[Merenguero]

I don't know. Other than three places on planet earth, Argentina, Colombia, and the Dominican Republic, my experiences everywhere (The D.C. area, Miami, Southern California, Las Vegas, New York, for some reason, Costa Rica, Mexico) tend to be the complete opposite of those of most of the posters on here. As long as you are making some effort, I don't see how you could struggle in Colombia or the Dominican Republic. Everyone seems to do well in those two places and I don't think I've ever met anyone who struggled there. Is there a place in all of North America or Latin America that is more difficult than Argentina? Not in my experience.

[Baldrich]

El_Gostro Wrote:

Baldrich:
What's with the hating anything remotely related to Spain?
You sound resentful.

Wait, what?? I've spoken PLENTY of good things about some aspects of Spain...but it seems as if though there is an unspoken religious creed here that any criticism of Spain and the realities of this sad country (in MANY respects...a country filled with BETAS for the most part) is equivalent to hatred. Unbelievable. Even die hard Spaniards say even harsher things about Spain than I do. Are they all resentful too? You can't be serious.

[Elster]

Just the impression it gives from what seems to be your normal reactions when Spain is mentioned.

Equating Argentinians to Spaniards (men and women) is like equating French bulldogs to pit bulls:
They're the same species, interbreedable and share an ancestral phenotype that makes them obviously relatable.
Pit one against the other and see what happens

Argentinian culture in general and "porteña" in particular are more akin and parallel to that of the USA than to other former colonial spanish domains in that the origins and therefore the vocabulary and culture of the current populace is of a more heterogeneous precedence.
Nearly half of the total population are descended from Italians, many are descended from poles, Armenians, Syrians,turks and -though it doesn't fly to say it these days- British subjects and the Irish (in fact Britain has a long and intimate bed story with Argentina),and -though culturally less immediately perceivable- even German and French!
Those that are descended from Spaniards mostly come from an immigration wave of the late 19th century through out the early 20th century than from the original colonials.
All these cultures have left their mark in the accent and the idiosyncrasy of the people (the humour for example is much more in the mold of italians than of spaniards)

Argentina is a place with a much less pacific daily life than Spain.
The periods of civil conflict in the nation have been constant pretty much from its very inception, and since the mid 90's at least crime of the very petty and extremely violent kind has become something akin to the weather.

These factors have shaped and influenced the argentinian people into a very different direction from the spaniards.
So where a situation wouldnt escalate in Spain you might find yourself in for a rough tussle in Argentina.

As for the women.
There is already a very traditional and ingrained culture of gaming amongst the populace so naturally the ladies will be much more accustomed and demand increased performances from aspiring suitors ,and there being an abundant local supply of men who work on their looks and game all the time means the visiting foreigner won't have such a marked edge in the peacocking competition save that of his wallet.
Something similar happens on the other side of the gender pond, visiting females from northern countries that are 7 or below often find that beside the exotic/blondness factor the local competition is very strong and white goddess game doesn't run.

[Baldrich]

(04-02-2017 09:45 AM)El_Gostro Wrote:  

Just the impression it gives from what seems to be your normal reactions when Spain is mentioned.

Equating Argentinians to Spaniards (men and women) is like equating French bulldogs to pit bulls:
They're the same species, interbreedable and share an ancestral phenotype that makes them obviously relatable.
Pit one against the other and see what happens

Argentinian culture in general and "porteña" in particular are more akin and parallel to that of the USA than to other former colonial spanish domains in that the origins and therefore the vocabulary and culture of the current populace is of a more heterogeneous precedence.
Nearly half of the total population are descended from Italians, many are descended from poles, Armenians, Syrians,turks and -though it doesn't fly to say it these days- British subjects and the Irish (in fact Britain has a long and intimate bed story with Argentina),and -though culturally less immediately perceivable- even German and French!
Those that are descended from Spaniards mostly come from an immigration wave of the late 19th century through out the early 20th century than from the original colonials.
All these cultures have left their mark in the accent and the idiosyncrasy of the people (the humour for example is much more in the mold of italians than of spaniards)

Argentina is a place with a much less pacific daily life than Spain.
The periods of civil conflict in the nation have been constant pretty much from its very inception, and since the mid 90's at least crime of the very petty and extremely violent kind has become something akin to the weather.

These factors have shaped and influenced the argentinian people into a very different direction from the spaniards.
So where a situation wouldnt escalate in Spain you might find yourself in for a rough tussle in Argentina.

As for the women.
There is already a very traditional and ingrained culture of gaming amongst the populace so naturally the ladies will be much more accustomed and demand increased performances from aspiring suitors ,and there being an abundant local supply of men who work on their looks and game all the time means the visiting foreigner won't have such a marked edge in the peacocking competition save that of his wallet.
Something similar happens on the other side of the gender pond, visiting females from northern countries that are 7 or below often find that beside the exotic/blondness factor the local competition is very strong and white goddess game doesn't run.

You should meet my students -- most of them go even so far as to tell me that they wish they could emigrate out of Spain given the chance...and if anything, they have it very good here, so no, I'm not resentful...just factual.

And I'm sorry I do not know Argentina but have met Argentinians and while I of course will not dispute any of what you say (except trying to say Argentina is more similar to USA than Spain...ha!) I as an American (or "estadounidense" if you prefer) see a lot more in common between Argentinians and Spaniards than say, between a "porteño" and a Bostonian. Sorry but you just can't compare the two cultures -- one built by Anglo Saxon Protestants, the other, as you say, mostly by Italians and Spaniards as well as other waves of decidedly non-wasp immigration.

As for the women, I have not had the opportunity (or interest) to try and game any Argentinian women but there does seem to be a consensus about the attitude that reminds me of how the women are in Spain -- uptight, aggressive and downright rude at times. I will admit though that Argentinians (At least those I know) are a lot more stylish than Spaniards and better cultured in general. I am always appalled at just how bad the ignorance is in Spain when it comes to "cultural awareness" in general.

[McLovin]

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[Mojorisin808]

(04-01-2017 01:44 AM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 12:59 AM)Rossi Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 11:47 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

As far as I have seen, speaking Italian or speaking Spanish with an Italian accent is a big help with Argentine girls. You should check it out.

Almost %30 of Argentina population have Italian descent. When Italian government made it possible for Italian descent people to apply for Italian passport, most applications were from Argentina.

I think i would feel home there.

Italian population worldwide:
1. Italy
2. Brazil
3. Argentina
4. United States
5. Venezuela (I think and it's a very distant fifth)

Thats pretty interesting. I never knew Brazil had the highest Italian population outside of Italy. According to wikipedia, Italian Brazilians make up about 1/3 of the population in São Paulo.

[scrambled]

"I'm not resentful...just factual."

Unlikely claims aren't fact but opinion, and angry resentment seeths out of everything you say about Spain.

[Merenguero]

(04-03-2017 09:11 AM)Mojorisin808 Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 01:44 AM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 12:59 AM)Rossi Wrote:  

(03-31-2017 11:47 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

As far as I have seen, speaking Italian or speaking Spanish with an Italian accent is a big help with Argentine girls. You should check it out.

Almost %30 of Argentina population have Italian descent. When Italian government made it possible for Italian descent people to apply for Italian passport, most applications were from Argentina.

I think i would feel home there.

Italian population worldwide:
1. Italy
2. Brazil
3. Argentina
4. United States
5. Venezuela (I think and it's a very distant fifth)

Thats pretty interesting. I never knew Brazil had the highest Italian population outside of Italy. According to wikipedia, Italian Brazilians make up about 1/3 of the population in São Paulo.

I was surprised by it too and being from New Jersey, I was surprised that the United States was only fourth.

[Mekorig]

(04-02-2017 10:50 AM)Baldrich Wrote:  

As for the women, I have not had the opportunity (or interest) to try and game any Argentinian women but there does seem to be a consensus about the attitude that reminds me of how the women are in Spain -- uptight, aggressive and downright rude at times. I will admit though that Argentinians (At least those I know) are a lot more stylish than Spaniards and better cultured in general. I am always appalled at just how bad the ignorance is in Spain when it comes to "cultural awareness" in general.

While i admit that some women can be as you described, the same can be said of women from all over the world. You baiscally are talking about something you dont have personal experience, just doing an analogy with women from another country, and culture .(find similarities, but general spaniard culture and argentine culture are not the same. As El_Gostro already told, we got a lot of italian and anglo influences during the 19th and 20th centuries).

[Rossi]

(04-03-2017 09:11 AM)Mojorisin808 Wrote:  

Thats pretty interesting. I never knew Brazil had the highest Italian population outside of Italy. According to wikipedia, Italian Brazilians make up about 1/3 of the population in São Paulo.

I went to Brazil two years ago. Italians are majority especially in Porto Alegre. Southern Brazil have a lot of Italians. The reason why there are so many Italians in Argentina and Brazil because so many people fled (mostly fascist Italians during Mussolini era) to Brazil and Argentina after World War 2.

Southern Brazil is mostly German and Italians. That's why, southern Brazil is mostly white. Especially Porto Alegre. Girls were really hot. German, Italian mix, like Alessandra Ambrosio, Gisele Bundchen etc.

[Mekorig]

Actually most of the italian inmigration came to the country from 1860 to 1920. Mussolini´s Facist goverment have little effect on inmigration (in fact Mussolinni was quite big among the italian diaspora in Argentina).

But yes, German/Italian mix is quite pretty, be in Rio Grande or Argentina.

[Kid Twist]

(04-03-2017 07:48 PM)scrambled Wrote:  

"I'm not resentful...just factual."

Unlikely claims aren't fact but opinion, and angry resentment seeths out of everything you say about Spain.

He's probably been in or around the big cities which are similar bustling blue cities like in EEUU.

I was reading El Pais today, Baldrich, just for the heck of it. Now I know where generally all that snarky sentiment from spanish friends on facebook comes from, it's like a Spanish version of CNN.

They have 20-30% unemployment but like their former colonies across the pond, keep promoting the same leftist drivel. I think mostly because it's easy and they have been lifelong students living with parents in small apartments for decades now.

I actually love Spain to visit and such, but find it hard to have much respect anymore from formerly christian cultures that now hate themselves and promote their pending destruction in the ways lefties always do.

[Elster]

(04-05-2017 01:36 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 07:48 PM)scrambled Wrote:  

"I'm not resentful...just factual."

Unlikely claims aren't fact but opinion, and angry resentment seeths out of everything you say about Spain.

He's probably been in or around the big cities which are similar bustling blue cities like in EEUU.

I was reading El Pais today, Baldrich, just for the heck of it. Now I know where generally all that snarky sentiment from spanish friends on facebook comes from, it's like a Spanish version of CNN.

They have 20-30% unemployment but like their former colonies across the pond, keep promoting the same leftist drivel. I think mostly because it's easy and they have been lifelong students living with parents in small apartments for decades now.

I actually love Spain to visit and such, but find it hard to have much respect anymore from formerly christian cultures that now hate themselves and promote their pending destruction in the ways lefties always do.

Probably why I like hanging out with the older middle aged working class types,sometimes they will spill the preach,but even then you can see its like saying amen at the church just to not be singled out.
And the old people's lack of PC culture is so refreshing.