[Oblivion77]

What is the smoothest way to extract my target (solid 8), that has been giving me IOI's, from a group of eight girls that are in town for a few days?

Backstory: on request of my sister I met these 8 Italian chicks that are visiting LA. They are at the end of their California 3 weeks trip. They are going to be in LA for 4 days and then flying back to Italy. I agreed to be their chaperone and show them around. The cutest one gave me IOI's yesterday evening, when I met the ladies for dinner for the first time. She gave me the vibe of being up for grabs (qualifies herself to me, compliments, rubbing her leg against mine, making sure she was the one sitting close to me etc). Yesterday I didnt manage to accomplish much, the girls left right after dinner as they were exhausted after the long drive.

I am going to see them daytime on Friday and plan to bring them to the beach in Malibu, after a tour of other areas. Friday night we are supposed to hit some bar/club.

Any suggestion about how to extract my target, avoiding her friends cockblock me or that her sense of guilt kicks in? (FYI I'm positive the friends liked me, seeing how they really insisted I show them around). My plan is to hang with them during daytime, trying to get some kino going, then get them drunk in the evening of Friday - bringing some guy friends along to wing with me - then wait for the opportunity and steal the hottie, trying to venue change with her alone (going to get food or whatever). If she refuses, as back up plan, I could invite her for a hike on Saturday morning (she is the most athletic of the bunch).

Still, my concern is the inevitable cockblocking that might ensues if they are jealous, protective or just fighting for my attention. Very easily any of the other girls can invite herself along (i.e. venue change, hike, whatever) if I'm not very subtle with my overtures.

Any Machiavellian suggestion to extract her?

Alternatively I could go Juan Antonio Gonzalo-style (see Vicky, Cristina, Barcelona when Javier Bardem hits on Scarlett Johansson and Rebecca Hall in the most direct possible way) and act in a very straightforward manner - with no subterfuge of sort. Just ask her to join me, alone, to do something special, just me and her. End of story.

Thoughts?

[MiXX]

Pull a move like Will Smith (Hitch), and put a five dollar "tip" in her hand thanking her for bringing the round of beers to your new table as you Walk away, and she will chase you!

Can you guys believed this move actually worked for me in Fargo AND Miami in the last 12 months?

**update

Sorry, just read the backstory that you arrived at the venue with her 8 cock-blocking friends.

You'll have to go old school and write a note on a piece of paper abd write "I've got a secret! , meet me at <insert place you choose fir isolation> and I'll tell you!"

That move takes her back to her school days where a cute boy passes a note to her to meet him backstage of the school auditorium. Women LOVE sneaking away to do naughty shit at the risk of being caught, THEY LOVE IT!!






Mixx

[Oblivion77]

(08-25-2011 12:09 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

**update

Sorry, just read the backstory that you arrived at the venue with her 8 cock-blocking friends.

You'll have to go old school and write a note on a piece of paper abd write "I've got a secret! , meet me at <insert place you choose fir isolation> and I'll tell you!"

That move takes her back to her school days where a cute boy passes a note to her to meet him backstage of the school auditorium. Women LOVE sneaking away to do naughty shit at the risk of being caught, THEY LOVE IT!!






Mixx

Haha, thanks for the tip. Probably I wasnt clear though, my bad. I'm pretty sure I can isolate her, but only for a short amount of time (she smokes so that makes things easy) for about 5-10 minutes. She wont object if I grab her and I drag her around the venue if my other guy friends are entertaining the other girls. What I need though is to extract her for good and have her bail on her friends and come with me to do something exciting. Now that I think about it I could ask her to join me for a walk along the beach in Malibu. I just hope and pray no one of her friends tags along. If I ask publicly others might. But you are right and might be onto something - I need to fabricate some sneaky game, some innuendo that goes on only between me and her. That would create complicity and might facilitate the extraction. Mmm...

UPDATE: Mixx, I might do this: isolate her with some trick and then try to kiss-close her even if I havent built enough attraction. Just go kamikaze in those 5 minutes we are alone. Afterward, if she accepted the kiss, she will be more invested and likely to join me alone, leaving her friends behind at the bar, beach, whatever.

[MiXX]

That's exactly what I meant. Isolate-> kiss close -> bang later on as she thinks of your kiss and simmers!


Mixx

[Roosh]

Ask her.

On Friday night say, "How can I get you away from your friends for an hour or two so we get to know each other alone?"
Say it in a tone where "get to know each other" means "get intimate."

If she likes you, she'll give you hints or instructions. It may involve going to her friends and say, "You guys don't mind if I borrow her for an hour, do you?"

If she's not trying to bang, she'll say, "No I can't leave my friends. I just can't. If I do the universe will implode on itself!"

[thegmanifesto]

(08-25-2011 01:43 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Ask her.

On Friday night say, "How can I get you away from your friends for an hour or two so we get to know each other alone?"
Say it in a tone where "get to know each other" means "get intimate."

If she likes you, she'll give you hints or instructions. It may involve going to her friends and say, "You guys don't mind if I borrow her for an hour, do you?"

If she's not trying to bang, she'll say, "No I can't leave my friends. I just can't. If I do the universe will implode on itself!"

A huge part of Game is asking questions that require a reaction.

Then reading that reaction.

Then proceed accordingly (step on gas, shift gears, hit brakes or flip a U turn).

[Oblivion77]

(08-25-2011 01:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(08-25-2011 01:43 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Ask her.

On Friday night say, "How can I get you away from your friends for an hour or two so we get to know each other alone?"
Say it in a tone where "get to know each other" means "get intimate."

If she likes you, she'll give you hints or instructions. It may involve going to her friends and say, "You guys don't mind if I borrow her for an hour, do you?"

If she's not trying to bang, she'll say, "No I can't leave my friends. I just can't. If I do the universe will implode on itself!"

A huge part of Game is asking questions that require a reaction.

Then reading that reaction.

Then proceed accordingly (step on gas, shift gears, hit brakes or flip a U turn).

Thanks for the suggestions. Insightful ones. I'll ask and will observe the reaction. If I bang her, rest assured that when I'm leaving I'll tip my hat and say "Mixx, Roosh and GManifesto send their regards"

[thegmanifesto]

Oblivion77 -

Also, notice above I said "reaction".

This is many times different than her "answer".

The reaction holds the keys to the vault.

Now go heist.

[Roosh]

Keep us posted either way. Curious how this plays out.

[CupCake]

(08-25-2011 01:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

A huge part of Game is asking questions that require a reaction.

Then reading that reaction.

Then proceed accordingly (step on gas, shift gears, hit brakes or flip a U turn).

G, can you elaborate more on this with some more specific examples. This is really interesting.

[oldnemesis]

(08-25-2011 01:43 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

On Friday night say, "How can I get you away from your friends for an hour or two so we get to know each other alone?"
Say it in a tone where "get to know each other" means "get intimate."

Interesting perspective. In Russia this is basically your responsibility as a man. She won't give shit how you do it, and asking her a question like that will lower (or even ruin) your chance - you're expected to think of it, make a decision and tell her what to do. Mixx's move with the piece of paper would work much better there.
But I see how it may actually be better here in US.

[Dash Global]

(08-25-2011 12:09 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Pull a move like Will Smith (Hitch), and put a five dollar "tip" in her hand thanking her for bringing the round of beers to your new table as you Walk away, and she will chase you!

Can you guys believed this move actually worked for me in Fargo AND Miami in the last 12 months?

**update

Sorry, just read the backstory that you arrived at the venue with her 8 cock-blocking friends.

You'll have to go old school and write a note on a piece of paper abd write "I've got a secret! , meet me at <insert place you choose fir isolation> and I'll tell you!"

That move takes her back to her school days where a cute boy passes a note to her to meet him backstage of the school auditorium. Women LOVE sneaking away to do naughty shit at the risk of being caught, THEY LOVE IT!!






Mixx

I have started to always bring a lil piece of paper and a pen every time I go out now. I use it an a variety of ways. What you mentioned being one of them.

[Roosh]

Quote:

In Russia this is basically your responsibility as a man.

I think that's the case anywhere, but this is a special situation where he's short on time and has to deal with 7 other girls. I believe extra help is needed where being more direct will help him get farther.

[Oblivion77]

(08-25-2011 02:15 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Keep us posted either way. Curious how this plays out.

Roosh, here we go. I hit the post and didnt score. In the end the cockblocking of the 8 friends proved to be too much for her level of interest. Was she interested? YES. Enough to break away from her friends without feeling a slut? NO. Or perhaps my game wasnt tight enough to facilitate such transition. Anyway, here is a summary of yesterday day&night for those that want a play by play. You can reach your own conclusion. Very interesting learning experience.

Started promisingly. When I spent time with the 8 girls during daytime she was quite possessive, trying to get pic with me alone, grabbing me by the hand in front of the others, handing me her number in case she got lost while driving the other car to the restaurant etc. I wanted her in my car but apparently she was the alpha that drove their large SUV wherever they went. Two random chicks ended up in the car with me.

I tried to isolate her once at the beach, after lunch. She agreed to come for a walk. Unfortunately I was promptly cockblocked by other 2 chicks that joined us as well. Still, during the walk, when we were 30 feet ahead of the other two chicks and managed to get some sort of privacy, she started to ask me "So, do you have a girlfriend" (Me "One? no, no, who do you think I am. I got many, Kate Bosworth, Lindsay Lohan etc"). Shit test averted. Then she went on ranting about how sissified Italian men are (i.e. she was telling me to be alpha and pull the trigger, or I read it that way). At that time I saw my opportunity and asked her if she wanted to join me, alone, the morning after, to go hiking and get to know each other better. She agreed. She even mentioned wanting to get drunk in the evening and made clear she wasnt going to be the designated driver.

However, in the evening, things turned. They had some kind of argument among themselves, right before coming out, and the atmosphere was strained. I think she argued with one of the others. Some were exhausted by the day at the beach, other wanted to leave, on one thing only they all agreed: they wanted to stay put and sit at their table rather than mingle around. Typical behavior of Italian chicks. A clusterfuck. Not fun. They were tired, bitchy and antagonizing each other. I started to wander around more often than not, looking for other targets in the venue.

At the club I was joined by two guy friends of mine and I even recruited a random Argentinian guy to help me crack the group of 8. We got some momentum back at the table but it didnt last long. She was sitting close to me, marking her territory, still she made a u turn when I confirmed the hike of the following day. She muttered she had to first buy some presents for her parents on the last day. She wanted to see me at the beach the day after and then in the evening. They left right after, as apparently the downers that were tired had the upper hand and wanted to go sleeping.

In the end, I dont think she is DTF. I observed her "reaction" - as GManifesto suggested - when I confirmed the hike: it wasnt there. She wants attention because she is the alpha hottie but wont misbehave in front of her friends. I tried three isolation moves: come for a walk on the beach (cockblocked), lets go to the smoking area at the club (cockblocked), invitation to hike (agreed and then turned down).

In conclusion, the chicks were polite, paid for my dinner and drinks thanking me for being their guide, but overall 8 girls with their infighting are a LOT of drama. There is always one that wants to leave or is TIRED or is just fully negative. With 20/20 hindsight it would have helped to have at least 5-6 wingmen rather than 3 that showed up a bit late. The fact many of these girls speak crappy English didnt help my buddies to wing as they could. What Roosh suggested - going DIRECT - is the way to go though. Otherwise you get sucked in the vortex of eight women arguing about everything. You NEED her to deliberately make the choice to get isolated with you. Ask, or trigger that reaction. If you dont get it, you are wasting your time and your chances are slim.

I dont plan on seeing them today. I will flake and do my own thing with another girl that is a promising prospect. Very interesting learning experience though.

[K-man]

(08-25-2011 01:46 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

A huge part of Game is asking questions that require a reaction.

Then reading that reaction.

Then proceed accordingly

Well said, but I might add two things:
- you owe it to yourself even if you don't get a reaction, to ask directly for what you want. I have been (pleasantly) surprised many times. Perhaps I did not read the reaction correctly, or maybe the girl had a poker face, but I got me some action without reaction
- don't get to hung up on reaction, because many times you will get it, but still get no action. Witness this case. IOIs but no results in the end.