[K-man]

If you are like me, you probably experiment with different openers, routines and conversation topics to find out what works best. I have even said things that I think are stupid just to find out if they might work or not. This has been the approach always advocated by Roosh ever since I started reading his blog in 2007.

So I have noticed that I get consistently bad results when I talk to a girl about other guys hitting on her. My most recent example is from yesterday, when a girl sat down at a corner of the bar where there were at least 6-7 dudes. Not that the whole bar was a sausage fest, but just this particular corner had dudes only, perhaps because there was a TV nearby playing EuroSport.

So I opened this girl with "You are a brave woman".
Her "Why?".
Me "For coming to the guys corner of the bar, where bunches of guys will start hitting on you any minute now".
Her "Why do you think I want to be hit on? That's not what I'm here for''

I know this might have been just a shit test, but she frowned at me as well while saying it. I plowed on for a few more minutes, but it didn't go anywhere.

I have noticed similar bad results with other exchanges such as:

When there is a guy around and a girl keeps staring at him (I have used this mostly on girls in the group of the girl I'm gaming):
Me: Quick, go dance with him before someone bolder than you snatches him!
Her: I'm not here to hit on guys; Why do you think I like this guy; blah-blah; sometimes gives me a mean look and proceeds to cock-block me from talking to her friend.

When using openers to all-female groups such as:
Me: You girls look like you need some male presence in your group - here, I'll invite those two guys over (pointing usually at some busted dudes nearby)
Her: I want to spend time with my girfriends tonight, not with guys.

When using a funny line that first came up from Mystery I believe, 10+ years ago:
Me: Nah, I don't think I'm the right guy for you. Now, that guy (pointing at some busted dude) - he'd be perfect for you.
Her: Why do you think I even need a guy?; Are you gay/do you like him?; {weird stare}.

What has been your experience with these types of topics? Perhaps I just need to fine-tune them a little bit, or just give up on it altogether?
Might be a regional thing, since it worked like a charm on the last American girl I remember picking up. On her, I used the classic:
Her: {After having talked for 15 minutes, dancing close, trying to grind on me}
Me: That'll be 5 bucks.
Her: ?
Me: Hey, this shit ain't free. Now, that guy (pointing to a busted dude clumsily dancing nearby) - his shit's probably free. You can go rub your body against his.
Her: {Playful slap to my chest}

[Roosh]

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So I have noticed that I get consistently bad results when I talk to a girl about other guys hitting on her.

That increases her value in two ways. First, she may think, "Shit he's right... I do get hit on a lot." That would lead to her hardening towards you instead of softening. Second, it makes it seem like you're stalking or following her. When I approach a girl, I don't mention what I saw her doing before I approached. She might as well have dropped from the sky.

Something discussed here before is swooping in when you witness a guy spitting lame game on her. But even that needs to be done with care.

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What has been your experience with these types of topics? Perhaps I just need to fine-tune them a little bit, or just give up on it altogether?

Give them up. When I talk about other people in the club, I talk about other girls, not guys. This makes her realize that she has competition and also makes her feel insecure. When you talk about other guys, it has a tendency to boost her ego.

[MiXX]

Agree with the RooshPUA (j/k).

Always point out the competition or women who are OBVIOUSLY more prettier than her as Roosh mentions.

Women are VERY INSECURE about not being the prettiest girl just as much as men think about sex.

Point out all the men, and she sees her female value!

Mix

[Tuthmosis]

Bringing up other guys hitting on them or telegraphing that you're hitting on them yourself is a big no-no, especially in night game. It "lifts the curtain" on their entire reason for being out. Girls want to live in a world of illusion and artificial comfort, where nothing is what it really is, they're just "hanging out with their [lame] girlfriends," and things (like meeting a guy to bang) "just happen." Of course, this is bullshit, but if you're the one to point that out to them, you're going to get the brunt of her rage. You shattered the fantasy, player.

I had some success doing a variation on what you're describing here, but during the day, where it's received in a completely different way. After opening her in a totally normal way, I told a girl I wanted to practice a line on her I was planning on using it that night. I only took this risk because she was clearly a smart-ass type and would relish this kind of opportunity. I let out some cheesy shit I had pre-thought-out and she laughed, saying, "I don't think that's going to work."

We had a nice convo after that.

[K-man]

Good tips guys - thanks. Y'all get a beer from me if we ever meet.